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from what I read on MDL, the Chinese guy won't release an Aero Glass patch :(


the guy is commonly known by PCBeta members and admins that he is working in Windows UI Section, now the general believe is he had got some MS pressure to abandon the project because it conflicts with MS decision to remove aero glass, and he might even have been warned not to post again in PCBeta.

That certainly cannot be ruled it considering the mystery of the Fixing Windows 8 Blog. I would love to know if they got to him. No amount of googling seems to turn up anything. Doubtful that Bing'ng would be any better. :whistle:

To follow up based on my 1984 exchange with jaclaz, we might say that Mike Bibik (the "Fixing Windows 8" guy) and the Chinese PCBeta guy have learned to love Big Brother Microsoft, and their deeds will soon go down the Memory Hole...

Since nobody seems to know what's going on with it, maybe I'll add to my Hosts file the Microsoft address that I reported on, and see if anything untoward happens.

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Edited by JorgeA, 25 September 2012 - 02:55 PM.



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"Windows 8 is not your normal low or even high impact major release of the OS," said Steve Kleynhans, research vice president at Gartner. "It's the start of a new era for Microsoft — the RT era — which follows the NT era, which began in 1993 and is just now starting to fade out. Microsoft eras seem to run about 20 years, so the technology underlying Windows 8 will last a long, long time."

Doesn't exactly allay the concern (expressed in this thread) that MS is heading towards a locked-down computing environment. Hmm, maybe this news is the reason that the Intel CEO's private remarks about Windows 8 just happened to get disclosed. "You ditch us, we'll badmouth you."

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Windows 8 Bugs Plaguing Microsoft, Intel CEO Said to Tell Staff

Intel Corp. (INTC) Chief Executive Officer Paul Otellini told employees in Taiwan that Microsoft Corp.’s Windows 8 operating system is being released before it’s fully ready, a person who attended the company event said.

Thanks for the link. It is now mentioned here ...

Intel CEO Says Windows 8 is Not Fully Ready ( Tom's Hardware 2012-09-25 )

Intel CEO believes Microsoft is releasing Windows 8 before it's ready ( TechSpot 2012-09-25 )

Intel: Windows 8 being launched before it's ready ( NeoWin 2012-09-25 )

Otellini said something incredulous ( note: probably not a direct quote, it is the reporter paraphrasing, which I despise ) ...

Releasing the operating system before it’s fully baked is the right move, and Microsoft can make improvements after it ships, Otellini told staffers.


Even if that is only the gist of what he said it still sucks. Maybe Intel could use some change of leadership as well since they are sure on another snooze cycle while AMD takes its time regrouping, again. Also from the article ...

“With over 16 million active preview participants, Windows 8 is the most tested, reviewed and ready operating system in Microsoft’s history,” said Mark Martin, a spokesman for Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft.


How about the most criticized? How about the most reviled? The most despised. The most villified. All that "16 million" number means is that folks ran the thing, but they're not listening to any of the feedback. Just the fact that they would parrot that number tells me that they are completely and utterly diving headlong in, like a stubborn drunk making for his car keys before he slams into a tree. We will be better off when the Wintel leadership is completely replaced. I'm still angry about the sudden change in the heat spreader ( Ivy Bridge ) causing higher temps in many circumstances, all to save a few bucks.

This is what happens where there is a lack of competition. In consumer class CPU's there is a little but AMD takes a vacation every few years and so Intel takes a breather. In consumer Operating Systems there is practically no competition, and after they have cleared the field of all competitors through their backroom OEM deals and planned obsolescence Redmond comes up with turds like Windows 8 and Metro. :puke:

EDIT: added a couple more links, clarity

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 25 September 2012 - 09:46 PM.

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I was finishing up Charlotte's post when I paged down to the bottom and saw the following visitor count:

Attached File  Whoa.jpg   140.46KB   23 downloads

:w00t:

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Well, let's try not to confuse Freedom (which is one thing) with Privacy amd Security (which are other things).

The three are interrelated. To take an example that we'll all (hopefully) be familiar with, in George Orwell's 1984 the protagonist, Winston Smith, lacked both freedom and security because there was no privacy -- all he did and said was monitored, or reported.

Now, I'm not saying that Microsoft is (yet) monitoring everything we type and everywhere we go on our computers -- but I am asking what the meaning (if any) might be of what that guy on MDL had discovered.

--JorgeA

Yes :thumbup , that is called Science Fiction, it didn't (yet) happen, as well as Minority Report and the pre-crime do not yet exist, nor Blade Runner, and Skynet didn't - seemingly - gain self-awareness on August 29, 1997. (but if - by any chance - your real name is John Connor, you'd better start to run ;)).

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The example may be from a novel, which I selected for universal understanding, but the point stands that privacy, freedom, and security and all related in the real world. And waiting 'til it happens -- by then it's too late, as my countrymen found out. Too many of them chose "security," and the only thing they guaranteed for themselves is that they would live in perpetual privation. As well as not free to undertake anything on their own, and constantly monitored by secret police and block committees.

But now we're way, way OT. OOOOT, even. I'd still like to hear from anyone who has some notion as to what (if anything) is going on with that unannounced Windows 8 connection to Microsoft.

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George Washington said: "Those who sacrifice a bit of privacy for more security deserves neither". He was/is/will be right always. ;)

MS will pay a lot of money to have fans that will write the right stuff to promote their sh!t. Clueless people don't get it that it's not about OS anymore, it's about freedom of choice. ;)

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George Washington said: "Those who sacrifice a bit of privacy for more security deserves neither". He was/is/will be right always. ;)

MS will pay a lot of money to have fans that will write the right stuff to promote their sh!t. Clueless people don't get it that it's not about OS anymore, it's about freedom of choice. ;)


Yep :thumbup , he also said (among many other things):

The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves.

Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.

Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government.

The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.


The essence of my post is that things must be placed in context.

IF you think that Windows phoning home for validation is a treat to your freedom (and to your privacy and to your security) you may be right or wrong, and as Voltaire said:

I don't agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

BUT you need to touch the ground with your feet and understand how Windows 2000 was the last MS OS that doesn't phone home, and - as said - (and of course to my best knowledge :unsure: ) the nature and amount of data exchanged is not different from what MS is receiving now from Windows 7.

BTW, in case you missed this piece of knowledge (having just awaken after a 20 years sleep à la Rip Van Winkle) you are ACTUALLY already tracked by at least:
  • your credit card payments
  • your browsing and searching on the Internet
  • your cellular phone
something that seems to me like much worse issues concerning privacy.

JFYI, Velostat seems effective to prevent other forms of depriving you of your freedom:
http://reboot.pro/13177/

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OOOT (but not much)

OOT (Off-Off-Topic):
Anyone ever read or heard the sentence :unsure: :

Oww, come on, bing for it ....


I was wrong :(.

SCOOP! :w00t:

http://bit.ly/UY9kBO

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OOOT (but not much)


OOT (Off-Off-Topic):
Anyone ever read or heard the sentence :unsure: :

Oww, come on, bing for it ....


I was wrong :(.

LOL, jaclaz!

Given the level of litigiousness that Big Computing has reached, how long do you think before:
  • MS lawyers start demanding that people stop using "bing" as a verb, so as not to water down their precious trademark? They'll put a quick stop to that little "binging" trend you discovered up there...
  • MS lawyers start demanding a cut of the proceeds from Bingo games? ;)
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SCOOP! :w00t:

http://bit.ly/UY9kBO

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Posted Image Oh man, like why didn't I think of that! Curse you Jaclaz! :thumbup

Okay, this might be evil but we gotta get that URL http://bit.ly/UY9kBO into some of the fanboy threads at the other sites. Maybe using sneaky I mean creative URL text or descriptions like these ...

  • "Windows 8 already a success" says industry analyst.
  • Microsoft said to be reconsidering the Start Menu removal in Windows 8!
  • New poll says Windows 8 preferred over Windows 7 and Windows XP by a wide margin!
  • Microsoft offering free Windows 8 coupons to the first 1000 responders!

:whistle:

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In other news -- I'm no networking expert, but I ported a copy of the Axence NetTools to my Win8 RP to see if I could track down that permanent connection to MS that was reported in another forum, and I didn't find anything. Unless I had a browser open, there didn't appear to be anything continuously going outbound from the system.

Maybe someone else knows how to hunt for hidden Internet connections, but I didn't find anything objectionable.

That's good. Still, and to quote another relevant motto, "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." :yes:

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Okay, this might be evil but we gotta get that URL http://bit.ly/UY9kBO into some of the fanboy threads at the other sites. Maybe using sneaky I mean creative URL text or descriptions like these ...

  • "Windows 8 already a success" says industry analyst.
  • Microsoft said to be reconsidering the Start Menu removal in Windows 8!
  • New poll says Windows 8 preferred over Windows 7 and Windows XP by a wide margin!
  • Microsoft offering free Windows 8 coupons to the first 1000 responders!

:whistle:

ROFL, that would serve the fanboys right! :sneaky:

Almost makes me want to join the Neowin forum just to do this!

Anybody up for some trolling? ;)

--JorgeA

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Update: like this wasn't expected ...

Intel calls Windows 8 "not ready" remarks "unsubstantiated" ( NeoWin 2012-09-26 )

We really do think Windows 8 is great, Intel says ( CNet 2012-09-26 )

Intel Responds to 'Unsubstantiated' Reports of CEO's Anti-Windows 8 Remarks ( Maximum PC 2012-09-27 )

The chip giant issues a statement today rebuffing yesterday's report that CEO Paul Otellini doesn't think Windows 8 is ready yet. --- CNet


A bit later in the day, Intel also issued a statement on “unsubstantiated news reports about comments made by Intel CEO Paul Otellini in a meeting with employees.” While the brief statement reminds everyone that Otellini once hailed Windows 8 as being “one of the best things that ever happened to Intel”, nowhere does it deny that Otellini made the remarks attributed to him by Bloomberg. --- Maximum PC


This story is even more disappointing if you ask me ...

Intel Plans to Discontinue Multiple CPUs, Incl. Core i5-3450 ( Tom's Hardware 2012-09-26 )

What they are doing is eliminating two of their best chips ever, the 2500K and 2600K. The 2700K is also on the list. Now all of these Sandy Bridge chips do in fact have clear Ivy Bridge replacements, nonetheless the first two are huge sellers in the home build market. Ordinarily the move to the next generation replacements would be a no-brainer except for the problem mentioned above, the inexplicable redesign of the packaging, moving from soldered IHS to thermal paste, which has resulted in definite increased temps at higher overclocks. Intel of course said: "this is as designed and meets quality and reliability expectations for parts operating under specified conditions.". This is a confidence shaker and is really just to save a few bucks on manufacturing, and is capitalizing on recent AMD fumbles. Of course, all they had to do was use the better packaging for the "K" models, which are unlocked and destined for machines that will be exploring the envelope, but just like Microsoft with the Start Menu, they turned a deaf ear to critics. 'Hey, we got no competition at the moment!' ~sigh~


Meanwhile back in the Microverse ...

Ballmer: $1,500 can buy "some" Microsoft Surface units ( NeoWin 2012-09-26 )

Funny debate going on over there as to what Ballmer meant by "some". Did he imply you can buy more than one Surface for $1500 or simply that there will be Suface models for $1500. The launch is a month away and they still aren't doing anything but tripping over their tongues!


A sad, off-topic example how Microsoft's reckless arrogance is contagious ...

Google Docs dumping some older Microsoft Office formats ( NeoWin 2012-09-26 )

A post on the Google Apps page states that, starting on October 1st, Google Docs users won't be able to download documents in the .doc, .xls, and .ppt formats, which were used by Microsoft Office from 1997 to 2003.

By setting a clear example for everyone else on how to implement planned obsolescence, break things and destroy standards, thanks to Microsoft the relatively compatible computer universe will degenerate into a fractured network of walled gardens. Uggh. :puke:

EDIT: typo, added another link

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 28 September 2012 - 12:33 AM.

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That's good. Still, and to quote another relevant motto, "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." :yes:

You might need to better vigilate... :whistle:
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Try running that same program:
http://www.piriform.com/speccy

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MS will pay a lot of money to have fans that will write the right stuff to promote their sh!t. Clueless people don't get it that it's not about OS anymore, it's about freedom of choice. ;)


MSFT already have their brown noser program and they are already praising how great the new s*** is :lol:
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Maybe we are seeing the matter with the wrong perspective. :unsure:

Windows XP and conversely Windows 7 (sorry MagicAndre1981, but Vista :ph34r: doesn't count) are/were SELFISH OS's.
Windows 8 is a PLURAL OS.

Let's see what Dell has to say about their ST2220L 21.5" LCD screen priced at a nifty US$129.99:
http://accessories.u...19&sku=320-1629

Take your multimedia viewing experience to another level with the ST2220L full HD monitor with LED. This 21.5" widescreen display is an optimum choice for cinematic quality and makes watching movies, playing games and photo editing an amazing experience.


And what about the - I presume corresponding - ST2220T (touch screen) 21.5" LCD screen priced at a mere US$329.99:
http://accessories.u...550055-1727683-

The new DellTM ST2220T multi-touch monitor will change the way you look at, and interact with life. Featuring an innovative 21.5" multi-touch screen with IPS technology, and multiple tilt angles, you, your friends and family will enjoy a stunning experience in a sleek design.

For only 200 bucks more, you can include your friends and family in the FUN. :thumbup

BUT still.... :angel .... please note how all the activities described by the good Dell guys are NOT IN ANY WAY connected with WORK. :whistle:

Now I find this appropriate, with the world crisis, a lot of families (and some of their friends) will have MUCH more time to stay at home and entertain themselves with Windows 8 and touch screens, whilst the very few with still a job will continue working with the antiquated, but still good enough XP's and 7's in their gloomy, lonely cubicles.....


And, just to show to some miscreants how my crystall ball (from time to time) is accurate let me present you two brand new apps for Windows 8:
http://www.windows8a...ily/simon-says/
http://www.windows8a...-trivia/simon8/
foreseen evolution from:
http://www.windows8a...mes/simon-said/
(please do take some time to appreciate the essential pureness and modernity of the lines and the new Bauhaus look)


To be fair, some "serious" apps are also coming out, example:
http://www.windows8a...tware-com-2011/

Imagine how easy it is to use Taxsoftware.com on the Windows 8 Tablet.



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To be fair, some "serious" apps are also coming out, example:
http://www.windows8a...tware-com-2011/

Imagine how easy it is to use Taxsoftware.com on the Windows 8 Tablet.


I can't wait to use the hottest selling OS of 2013 to do my taxes from 2011! :w00t:
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I wonder when will messages saying "Do NOT Share your Touch-Screen" will appears as health related warnings.
I mean i've seen some man sneezing at his iPad, you know mucus and all ...

Has there any scientifc study about touch-screen as contagious disease vectors?

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I'm getting "Bing points" every time I click on that link. :lol:
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More Windows 8 fluff articles appearing daily.

Bad Piggies is coming soon to Windows Phone and Windows 8 ( NeoWin 2012-09-27 )

Shocker: Bill Gates says Windows 8 is "a big deal" ( NeoWin 2012-09-27 )

Bill Gates gives Windows 8 his stamp of approval ( TechSpot 2012-09-28 )

Bill Gates Says Windows 8 is ''Very Exciting'' ( Tom's Hardware 2012-09-28 )

Angry Birds sequel and a half-hearted endorsement from billg, Well I'm sold. Not!


Meanwhile, the creator of Minecraft takes some more shots at it ...

Notch slams Windows 8 yet again, won't certify Minecraft ( NeoWin 2012-09-27 )

Minecraft creator 'Notch' is the latest to speak out against Windows 8 ( TechSpot 2012-09-28 )

Notch Won't Certify Minecraft for Windows 8 ( Tom's Hardware 2012-09-28 )

Markus Persson ... Got an email from microsoft, wanting to help "certify" minecraft for win 8. I told them to stop trying to ruin the pc as an open platform. --- Twitter: @notch

Markus Persson ... I'd rather have minecraft not run on win 8 at all than to play along. Maybe we can convince a few people not to switch to win 8 that way.. --- Twitter: @notch

Hehe :lol: Now some guy at Fanboy Central posts this story about a Microsoftie that supposedly debunked his claims ...

Take that: Rafael Rivera easily certifies Minecraft for Windows 8 ( NeoWin 2012-09-28 )

... but unfortunately they entirely miss the point at what "Notch" was actually saying. Big surprise. He is describing the devoulution of Windows into a walled garden, not that they are there yet. The fanboys will have none of it though: Our beloved Microsoft would never do such a thing! And if they did it would be great! That pretty much sums it up. One commenter at that last link, Leo, does a fine job trying to penetrate the skulls of the pod people, but there is really no hope. Civil War is coming.


From the You have got to be kidding me department ...

Nokia Lumia 820 & 920 priced in Europe, coming in November ( NeoWin 2012-09-27 )

Nokia prices Lumia 920 higher than Samsung's Galaxy S III ( TechSpot 2012-09-27 )

Nokia has priced their upcoming Lumia 920 smartphone higher than Samsung’s Galaxy S III, a move that has analysts wondering how the Finnish phone maker plans on justifying the premium. In some markets, Nokia’s flagship phone will sell for 25 percent more than the S III.

Italy ...
Lumia 920 :: €599 (USA $771)
Lumia 820 :: €499 (USA $643)
Samsung Galaxy S III :: €530

Germany ...
Lumia 920 :: €649 (USA $836)
Lumia 820 :: €499 (USA $643)
Samsung Galaxy S III :: €530

Russia ...
Lumia 920 :: 24,990 rubles (USA $801)
Lumia 820 :: 19,990 rubles (USA $640)

UK ... Nokia will not be releasing pricing!

USA estimated prices ...
Lumia 920 :: $699
Lumia 820 :: $599


Boy they are sure being optimistic. :whistle: Reminder photos of the Nokia Lumia 820 and 920 and some of the competition ...

Spoiler


EDIT: added a bunch more links

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 29 September 2012 - 02:28 AM.

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Here's a revelation into the evil, wrong, ruthless, directionless mind of Steven Sinofsky which confirms that in the future the desktop is going to go away: http://www.itwriting...ws-and-net.html As Bill Gates once said, no one can tell Steven what to do so essentially Microsoft is at his mercy, not Ballmer's. Ballmer just wants to be part of the success as CEO, while not taking any leadership stance as this article confirmed: http://www.fastcodes...design-strategy Now why would anyone want to kill the largest, most prevalent, most successful, most dominant PC ecosystem for greedy mobile ambitions is beyond me. Does he think by killing "legacy" desktop, Msft can get bigger than Apple once again? Such a person can't have the best interests of users at heart.Only reason for killing desktop might be "developers, developers, developers...". The Windows desktop is not "hot" any more like iOS is for developers.That and a Steve Jobs-like capitalist mentality to rule the world and become the largest company again, at the cost of putting user distress to something of secondary importance.

Edited by xpclient, 28 September 2012 - 06:54 AM.

Impossible to run NT6 without third party fixes.


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Well, I don't care anymore. I'll stick to Windows 7 as long as I can. When I won't be able to check mail and browse forums 'cause I'll need Windows 999 or Windows Schmuck or whatever they will call it, I'll switch to BSD. :D

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Here's a revelation into the evil, wrong, ruthless, directionless mind of Steven Sinofsky which confirms that in the future the desktop is going to go away: http://www.itwriting...ws-and-net.html

Well, if Sinofsky contributed and contributes to the killing of .Net and Silverlight he is not as evil and senseless as he seems.

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he is ;)

.Net/C# is a fine development platform.
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he is ;)

.Net/C# is a fine development platform.

Most probably it is (as development platform) but the effect I can see at user level is (of course IMHO) a regression in quality of apps. :ph34r:
Of course everyone has his/her opinion, there are people thinking that Visual Basic is better than C#:
http://www.simple-ta...-better-than-c/

Now, you may think that his is off-topic :w00t:, but as a matter of fact, you would be wrong ;) :
in the above page there is something that can be well applied to the fanboys approach to the new stupid NCI :

Someone commented on my original (much shorter) blog about this:

"In a short amount of time you'll type those semi-colons without thinking about it (I even type them when programming in visual basic)."

That’s like saying that you’ll soon get used to not having any matches to light your fire, and you’ll even start rubbing sticks together to start a fire when you finally manage to buy a box!

:thumbup

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Edited by jaclaz, 28 September 2012 - 12:26 PM.





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