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One way to try making contact would be via a private forum message -- assuming that the Forum isn't down... :angel

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Thanks! Although, I did that but I don't think it worked. hehe.. did not get a reply back.
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Thanks! Although, I did that but I don't think it worked. hehe.. did not get a reply back.

Time will tell. I know that I don't always answer right away (and sometimes the system doesn't even tell me that I have a PM in my box).

I just hope I didn't tick Charlotte off with my sentence about "great deductive work, Sherlock." Which was meant in all sincerity as praise for a great piece of detective work, but later that night I realized to my horror that it could be interpreted sarcastically, and I went back to clarify. :}

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Thanks! Although, I did that but I don't think it worked. hehe.. did not get a reply back.

Didn't get it. Send another PM please.


Time will tell. I know that I don't always answer right away (and sometimes the system doesn't even tell me that I have a PM in my box).

I just hope I didn't tick Charlotte off with my sentence about "great deductive work, Sherlock." Which was meant in all sincerity as praise for a great piece of detective work, but later that night I realized to my horror that it could be interpreted sarcastically, and I went back to clarify. :}

What, no! Just busy. I got the Sherlock reference naturally. I should point also out that it wasn't just me, some of the Register commenters have picked up on this not-so-veiled Blue=Cloud mystery.

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Could Microsoft be working on a full Surface laptop? ( NeoWin 2013-02-12 )

Maybe it occurred to Microsoft that a 10" laplet for $1000 is crazy, therefore they will create a $2000 desklet. Great thinking. Seriously though, cannot wait to see the price point and specs. It will be interesting to compare back to this ...

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Nokia sells Oulu campus for $40.8 million ( NeoWin 2013-02-12 )

One of the commenters dutifully says: 'But Nokia has returned to profitability!'. Another commenter mentions something that I wasn't aware of: 'While it's true that Nokia returned to profitability in the final quarter, in order to do so it didn't pay a dividend to shareholders - that's the first time in 20yrs'

So despite all the countless fluff pieces at NeoWin about Nokia with their Lumias running Microsoft Tiles, these guys are in quite a pickle. They are the foremost example of a company betting everything on Microsoft and its Windows 8 abomination. Just for the record, here are the not-so-positive stories that have also ran just since September just at NeoWin, and the picture ain't pretty ...


I would hate to see them go but by allowing a Softie to infiltrate the company like Carl Icahn or someone out of "Wall Street" or "Barbarians at the Gate" I wonder what exactly they were thinking would happen. Ah well. Bet he still gets paid if Nokia assets get sold off at fire sale. Or Microsoft buys it and we see MicroNokia.

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Didn't get it. Send another PM please.


It seems that my messenger was disabled in my settings here for some reason. I have sent a test now. Thanks. :)
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The Forum was down again for a while today. What's going on?

I'm concerned that the habit of visiting will be broken and some people may stop seeing our posts as a result.

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EDIT: Explanation here.

Edited by JorgeA, 13 February 2013 - 08:00 PM.


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HP working on Android tablet, considering smartphone, too ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

I wonder if the pending MicroDell deal is already causing unintended consequences? HP was famously in the Windows 8 camp, playing hardball for their Redmond overlords ( HP won't support Windows 8 to 7 downgrade on consumer PCs ). I'd say maybe they are having a hard time making any real money shipping units with Microsoft Tiles so they are ready to start hedging their bet.


Nokia Announces Dual-SIM Asha 310 Smartphone ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-13 )

Speaking of hedging bets. Nokia knows what sells ( Nokia's Asha range outselling Lumias 2:1 ( NeoWin 2013-01-13 ) ). They are now supposedly shutting down their remaining Symbian units, so what happens at Nokia over the next year with WP vs the Asha "other" phones should tell quite a tale.


Office 2013 EULA says the software is bound to one PC forever ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

If you purchased a retail edition of Office 2010, the end-user license agreement (EULA) permits you to install the software on up to two devices at once (a desktop and a laptop) and if you retire one or both of those systems, your license is transferable to new machines.

Neither of those permissions exist with Office 2013. Microsoft's updated EULA only lets you install the boxed editions on one computer, and only that computer -- forever.


Oh this is gonna go over like a ton of bricks. Hey if you don't like it, tough. Get Office 364. Go to the cloud! This is from TechSpot, it is not yet over at NeoWin. Looking forward to see the creative rationalizations from the MicroZealots.


Yahoo CEO: Bing deal isn't working well ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

According to Mayer, [Yahoo CEO] the deal hasn't given the technology company the kind of results it expected when it entered into 10-year a partnership with Microsoft in 2010. The problem, Mayer said, was that Yahoo hasn't benefited financially from the deal, and the company has also seen its market share decrease.


You mean you got snookered? Guess ya should'a took the $45 billion that Ballmer wanted to flush down the toilet buying your company ( okay, I don't think she was CEO yet ). Speaking of MicroZealots, I see a few posts over there snipped for "sexist" language :lol: Wanna know why? The Yahoo CEO is female and she made the mistake of criticizing Microsoft. You don't do that and get away with it! So how is your board looking these days Steven? Told ya you have to keep an eye on the children. :yes:


Microsoft Surface Pro gets worst possible reparability rating from iFixit ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

Surface Pro gets autopsied, don't even think about trying to repair it ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

The dissection has been done, and no surprise, these laplets are even worse than laptops for accessing components. They are pretty much completely unserviceable throwaway units once the warranty is expired. Can't blame Microsoft here because no-one is going to create one that is accessible. But I am not agreeing with the high-quality arguments after seeing the photos of all the crap on the inside. This is just typical slapped together adequate parts manufactured by the lowest bidder and you are buying the name on the front, Microsoft or Apple. Big whoop.


Xbox co-founder says the last five years have been painful to watch ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

Former Microsoft Xbox team member slams current state of Xbox 360 ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

The former employee has a laundry list of activities where Microsoft is going wrong and believes that Apple could kill console gaming as we know it if they wanted to.


More Xbox criticisms, this time from an ex-Softie who was present in the early Xbox development ( but left before the product shipped ). He is credited with naming the device. Interesting line about Apple. It mirrors what another ex-Softie Gabe Newell ( from Valve ) has been saying. I'm gonna watch this closely now, because Apple's next move as the iPhone craze dies down should be strategic and I suspect it will come at Microsoft's expense. Also note, as with the previous stories, the MicroZealots are not happy with this latest "attack" on their Saviour. How dare another ex-Softie criticize their prophet! Why does this suddenly remind me of the Jim Jones attacks on the de-programmed escaped cult members when they began talking prior to the mass suicide?


EA exec: It's unlikely 'next Xbox' will play Xbox 360 games ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

And yet another bit of Xbox news or rumor if you will. This from an Electronic Arts executive that says all new consoles including the next Xbox and Sony's PS will eliminate backwards compatibility ( they are supposedly changing microprocessor families ) and will not provide any form of emulation, meaning that games for the older consoles are dead on the new one. Uggh. Stupid. And transparently self-serving, but also self-defeating because it might just restrain sales of the next release which will impact developer incentive. I am thinking that Gabe and the ex-Softie from the previous stories are onto something by worrying about Apple instead of Microsoft.


( off-topic, and not a story I really wanted to see ... )

Opera switching to Webkit engine in 2013, browser will be based on Chromium ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

Opera now has 300 million users; moving to WebKit engine ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

Ugggh. I really hope they aren't selling out now. I have all but given up testing Chrome, it is as dumbed down as Windows 8 with respect to configuration and options and is too cloudy for my tastes. Yeah, this change so far only involves the rendering engine, and Chrome's engine gets high marks so a best-case scenario could be constructed that this will help Opera by offloading the added task of constantly working on the guts and will be now free to concentrate on the bells and whistles, but I just am going on instinct and it tells me to worry. ~sigh~ Fingers crossed!

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Ugggh. I really hope they aren't selling out now. I have all but given up testing Chrome, it is as dumbed down as Windows 8 with respect to configuration and options and is too cloudy for my tastes. Yeah, this change so far only involves the rendering engine, and Chrome's engine gets high marks so a best-case scenario could be constructed that this will help Opera by offloading the added task of constantly working on the guts and will be now free to concentrate on the bells and whistles, but I just am going on instinct and it tells me to worry. ~sigh~ Fingers crossed!

I used to be die hard IE fan until I tried Opera. *lol* ...I hope they don't go the Chrome route and dumb down this thing because without all the customization, Opera will effectively just be dead. As far the engine, I don't care what runs under the hood although Opera was/is one of the most secure browsers so we'll see how things turn out. I'm so so so sick of dumbing down stuff that I'm worried they ruin Opera too.


Back to topic, I also read rumour, I think maybe NeoWin or something MS is coming out with 5", 7" inch Windows 8... loooooool... wtf, why not slapp the Windows Phone 8 on it instead of Win8 is beyond me. The soul reason I got an Android tablet is that I can also make calls with it but Ballmer would never understand this.


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Start Screen is sending info to MS about software you have installed on your PC, so security and privacy are down the drain...

157.54.0.0 - 157.60.255.255

I did an IP address lookup etc.

Whois record :
MarkMonitor is the Global Leader in Online Brand Protection.
Domain Management
MarkMonitor Brand Protectionâ„¢
MarkMonitor AntiPiracyâ„¢
MarkMonitor AntiFraudâ„¢
Professional and Managed Services

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OrgName: Microsoft Corp
OrgId: MSFT
Address: One Microsoft Way
City: Redmond
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98052
Country: US
RegDate: 1998-07-10
Updated: 2011-04-26

So it seems to me Microsoft is monitoring my internet connections through a third party.


Update: According to Microsoft, SmartScreen sends a hash of the app installer and its digital signature, if any. A combination of the hash and the user’s IP address is still enough to identify that IP address x attempted to install software y.

I’ve recently been using the final, Released to Manufacturing version of Windows 8 on one of my computers, to much delight. I’ve been very impressed by how fast, well-designed, functional and capable this latest iteration of Windows is. However, my tinkering around from a security/privacy perspective has left me concerned.

Windows 8 has a new featured called Windows SmartScreen, which is turned on by default. Windows SmartScreen’s purpose is to “screen” every single application you try to install from the Internet in order to inform you whether it’s safe to proceed with installing it or not. Here’s how SmartScreen works:

You download any application from the Internet. Say, the Tor Browser Bundle.
You open the installer. Windows SmartScreen gathers some identifying information about your application, and sends the data to Microsoft.
If Microsoft replies saying that the application is not signed with a proper certificate, the user gets an error that looks something like this.

There are a few serious problems here. The big problem is that Windows 8 is configured to immediately tell Microsoft about every app you download and install. This is a very serious privacy problem, specifically because Microsoft is the central point of authority and data collection/retention here and therefore becomes vulnerable to being served judicial subpoenas or National Security Letters intended to monitor targeted users. This situation is exacerbated when Windows 8 is deployed in countries experiencing political turmoil or repressive political situations.

This problem can however get even more serious: It may be possible to intercept SmartScreen’s communications to Microsoft and thus learn about every single application downloaded and installed by a target. Here is my analysis:

A quick packet capture showed the following activity happening immediately when I tried to install the Tor Browser Bundle:

Click for full size and notes.

SmartScreen appeared to connect over HTTPS to a server in Redmond (apprep.smartscreen.microsoft.com, 65.55.184.60, run by Microsoft) in order to communicate information about the application I was trying to install.

After running some tests on this Microsoft server, I discovered that it ran Microsoft IIS 7.5 to handle its HTTPS connections. The Microsoft server is configured to support SSLv2 which is known to be insecure and susceptible to interception. The SSL Certificate Authority chain goes down from “GTE CyberTrust Global Root” to “Microsoft Secure Server Authority.” The Certificate Authority model is itself susceptible to some serious problems.

I haven’t checked whether Windows SmartScreen does in fact use SSLv2, but the fact that the Microsoft servers support it is concerning. Furthermore, SmartScreen is not easy to disable, and Windows will periodically warn users to re-enable it should they attempt to disable it.

To recap, here are the concerns posed by SmartScreen in Windows 8:

Windows 8 will, by default, inform Microsoft of every app downloaded and installed by every user. This puts Microsoft in a compromising, omniscient situation where they are capable of retaining information on the application usage of all Windows 8 users, thus posing a serious privacy concern. The user is not informed of this while installing and setting up Windows 8, even though they are given the option to disable SmartScreen (which is enabled by default.)
Windows 8 appears to send this information to Microsoft to a server that relies on Certificate Authorities for authentication and supports an outdated and insecure method of encrypted communication. It is possible that these insecurities could allow a malicious third party to target a Windows 8 user and learn which applications they are using. This allows them to profile the user and decide how to best exploit their personal selection of applications and their computing habits.

I find Microsoft’s decision to design SmartScreen in such a privacy-free fashion to be a very bad choice, and I really hope that these concerns regarding SmartScreen will be addressed in near-future updates.



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Start Screen is sending info to MS about software you have installed on your PC, so security and privacy are down the drain...

Well, not really "news" :whistle: , already talked to death around here:
http://www.msfn.org/...65#entry1008965

Your quote is from the mentioned blog by Nadim Kobeissi:
http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78
seemingly from an earlier version, missing Update2 and Update3.

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Ups, sorry... :(

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Office 2013 EULA says the software is bound to one PC forever ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

If you purchased a retail edition of Office 2010, the end-user license agreement (EULA) permits you to install the software on up to two devices at once (a desktop and a laptop) and if you retire one or both of those systems, your license is transferable to new machines.

Neither of those permissions exist with Office 2013. Microsoft's updated EULA only lets you install the boxed editions on one computer, and only that computer -- forever.


Oh this is gonna go over like a ton of bricks. Hey if you don't like it, tough. Get Office 364. Go to the cloud! This is from TechSpot, it is not yet over at NeoWin. Looking forward to see the creative rationalizations from the MicroZealots.


I think I know why this was done. Those transfer terms exist in Office 365 and actually allow for installation on 4 computers and 5 devices. I can't find a copy of it online. :}
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I think I know why this was done.

Harass paying customers? :unsure:

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Your quote is from the mentioned blog by Nadim Kobeissi:
http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78
seemingly from an earlier version, missing Update2 and Update3.

Update 3 makes things better from a privacy/security perspective, but Update 2 makes things worse.

Totally OT, but Nadim's page contains the following little Twitter tidbit and link:

Today I learned that Italy’s stock exchange has a giant statue of a middle finger in front of it:


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Is the picture real or photoshopped? I thought you might know...

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Office 2013 EULA says the software is bound to one PC forever ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

If you purchased a retail edition of Office 2010, the end-user license agreement (EULA) permits you to install the software on up to two devices at once (a desktop and a laptop) and if you retire one or both of those systems, your license is transferable to new machines.

Neither of those permissions exist with Office 2013. Microsoft's updated EULA only lets you install the boxed editions on one computer, and only that computer -- forever.


Oh this is gonna go over like a ton of bricks. Hey if you don't like it, tough. Get Office 364. Go to the cloud! This is from TechSpot, it is not yet over at NeoWin. Looking forward to see the creative rationalizations from the MicroZealots.

Another post chock-full of information! I'll keep to commenting on just one item (the one quoted above):

This news about Office 2013 reinforces my decision to stay away from it. And it increases my interest in eventually making the switch to SoftMaker (thanks, @Formfiller). Preliminary tests on my own machines suggest that it can indeed read and write to .DOCX files, including change tracking and comments, without a hitch. (I've yet to create a new file in SoftMaker and load it on MS Office.) Some time ago I reported on MSFN about how long it takes MS Word to load a large, complex document file (the time-to-load discussion starts in earnest on page 2). Even my Ivy Bridge PC takes almost two minutes to finish loading the test file. SoftMaker's word processor was totally ready in 16 seconds.

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Backward compatibility in consoles is a tricky thing. Since it is challenging, if not impossible, to be both cutting edge and backward compatible, there are basically only two methods to proceed, both of which have distinct disadvantages:

1. Recreate the hardware "guts" and include them in the new console. This has the disadvantage of significantly increasing unit cost but will be 100% compatible.

2. Build an emulator. Even a high-end PC can't handle accurately emulating any game console from the past 15 years, so what ends up happening is that the emulator is built around the 100 or so most popular games (plus spinoffs that use the same "engine") and for the rest the gamer is in no man's land. Even the "fully supported" games can suffer audio/visual glitches, game-crashing bugs, etc. just like the amateur emulators.

Personally, given the reality of the situation, I think most gamers would rather pay less for new the console and hook up the old one.

Microsoft's real mistake is not releasing a new console when they released Kinect. The XNA and used games scandals aren't helping, either. Before this console generation, gamers were accustomed to purchasing a new console every 3-5 years but because both Sony and Nintendo suffered their own drawn out decays, Microsoft decided to join in. Lazy.

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Is the picture real or photoshopped? I thought you might know...

Real :w00t: , but not "persistent" :whistle: :
http://online.wsj.co...1140034982.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-11474311
or maybe it is:
http://en.daringtodo...least-40-years/
let's say that s provisional for some 40 years. :ph34r:

You'll learn how often in Italy anything that is "temporary" becomes actually "perpetual" and anything that is "permanent" will be changed within a short period of times.

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You'll learn how often in Italy anything that is "temporary" becomes actually "perpetual" and anything that is "permanent" will be changed within a short period of times.

Sounds like what it would be like to live in a surrealistic film...


Is the picture real or photoshopped? I thought you might know...

Real :w00t: , but not "persistent" :whistle: :
http://online.wsj.co...1140034982.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-11474311
or maybe it is:
http://en.daringtodo...least-40-years/
let's say that s provisional for some 40 years. :ph34r:

Amazing, just amazing.

Now, just to give this topic a connection to the thread -- can we take up a collection to move this monument to the entrance of Microsoft headquarters in Redmond? ;) Or maybe they should make it part of their logo...

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Now, just to give this topic a connection to the thread -- can we take up a collection to move this monument to the entrance of Microsoft headquarters in Redmond? ;) Or maybe they should make it part of their logo...

--JorgeA


I think it would be very fitting in their logo, seeing how they treat their customers. *lol* :thumbup
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Update of previous update in Post #1788 ...

Microsoft wants you to know that Google reads your love letters ( NeoWin 2013-02-14 )

Hmmm. That is at least the 4th 5th 6th story of this nature in short order ...
I'm no prude but I see this as very ugly and unprofessional. They hired a DC political hack as hatchet-man ( Microsoft's DC insider could throw the kitchen sink at Google ) charged with doing nothing but attacking Google. Ironically it changes Microsoft into Apple, and Google into Microsoft resulting in a repeat of the past few decades where Apple did this type of nonsense routinely. Furthermore, Microsoft is really asking for it because there are so many things that Google could easily run an ad campaign on, most notably: Microsoft’s Bing uses Google search results—and denies it. Not to mention Microsoft embedding ads in their Windows 8 non-free paid-for operating system, and the vast amount of telemetry it collects such as how many minutes elapse before you modify Metro tiles, install from the app store or use the desktop. This is but the tip of the iceberg of items that Google could publicize, and if they chose to could produce fabulous advertising using Microsoft as the Titanic about to crash into it. Tacky, unprofessional and definitely NOT smart.

Added: please don't mistake this for blind support of Google, they lost any chance of that when they collaborated with the Chinese regime on censorship. The fact that Microsoft does not use this as a talking point should tell you something about their likely collaboration with regimes. Also, I would like to encourage Microsoft continue these ugly attacks because it will result in a wonderful public war and I have money invested in popcorn futures. :thumbup



Update of previous update in Post #1854 ...

Nokia Mistakenly Reveals Lumia Windows RT Tablet ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-14 )
Nokia may drop Samsung as parts supplier ( NeoWin 2013-02-14 )

1st Story ... Nokia makes a harmless mistake? At first glance this does not qualify as a "problem" story about Nokia. But the people reporting believe this new tablet is NOT a Windows 8 model, but a Windows ReTard edition instead. Perhaps they want a piece of all those 700,000 Surface RT sales :lol: Seriously, they probably began this project before the RT fail became clear. But now they know, and will have no excuse if the thing ships and dies, especially considering the fact other OEMs scrapped their RT products, and with the x86 Surface Pro finally released which will attract most potential buyers, except for the handful that only care about battery life or for some reason want ARM in particular. The point being, by merely glancing at the list below, one can easily see that Nokia cannot afford many more mistakes. ADDED: Thurrott comments ... "A widely republished photo purporting to show Nokia’s long-expected entry into the Windows 8/RT tablet market is, alas, a fake."

2nd Story ... Nokia makes a not-so-harmless mistake? Samsung is a reportedly a major supplier ( NeoWin: "The maker of the Lumia and Asha phones have relied on Samsung to supply memory chips, displays and other components essential for making smartphones" ) so there must be something going on here since you normally don't burn bridges without reason ( well unless you are Microsoft ). This quote here is what makes me want to hurl ...

Both Apple and Nokia are very skeptical about the "firewall" between Samsung's component business and their smartphone business


If it is accurate then the ex-Softie CEO at Nokia is an Academy Award winning hypocrite. The "Firewall" issue is first and foremost applied to Microsoft whose Operating System division supposedly makes a product for the use of all software developers ( that is the definition of an OS and also of a development platform ) but many have long-distrusted and criticized their lack of "separation". I think we can stop making believe now that the OS division serves anyone except Microsoft ( and yes, this is perfectly okay according to fanboys from Generation Xbox ).


EDIT: added Thurrott comment

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 February 2013 - 04:38 AM.

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Update of previous update in Post #1854 ...

Nokia Mistakenly Reveals Lumia Windows RT Tablet ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-14 )
Nokia may drop Samsung as parts supplier ( NeoWin 2013-02-14 )

Apropos of smartphones:

There is little room for a third smartphone platform

Note the guy in the comments section who touts Windows phone sales growing. Well, iOS, even as it lost market share (thanks to Android's runaway lead), in 2012 actually saw total sales go up by more than the totality of Windows phones.

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Microsoft's real mistake is not releasing a new console when they released Kinect. The XNA and used games scandals aren't helping, either. Before this console generation, gamers were accustomed to purchasing a new console every 3-5 years but because both Sony and Nintendo suffered their own drawn out decays, Microsoft decided to join in. Lazy.

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Yeah, MS has been taking a beating over the used-games issue. Imagine if, in previous decades, you couldn't lend or sell your used records or CDs to your friends, or even take a stack of them over for a party, because the things wouldn't play on other people's equipment. Hardly a selling point.

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If the PC dies, Windows 8 will be its killer, says analyst

The logic IMO is somewhat different from the way it's described in that article. Windows 8 may well manage to kill the PC -- but it would do so because so many people would rather hang on to their current PCs with an acceptable OS, than buy something preloaded with Windows 8.

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"Microsoft's Lost Decade"

http://www.vanityfai...o-steve-ballmer

"Winning business was more important than making great products.

The entire article is quotable though. Very nice read.

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Problem with Microsoft started before Windows 8, for example the way they handled Silverlight and killed it... now they are killing off XNA. Thing is, they have lost the trust of their core developers. People like me. When that trust is gone, people like me will not develop for their platform. With Windows 8, they sealed the deal.

From that moment, they were doomed...

http://youtu.be/3RoPtTEswWM?t=44m29s

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Penguin party: Steam Linux launches with week-long celebration sale ( PC Gamer 2013-02-14 )

Steam for Linux Client Now Available to Download ( Maximum PC 2013-02-14 )

What once seemed impossible has happened, as Gabe promised Steam has gone to Linux with 54 games at launch and with over half of them on sale. If Valve stays on this, over time they will pick off PC Gamers and Xbox customers, those who use Linux whenever possible but grudgingly get an Xbox or PC just for games. It won't be a large net loss of people at first but it will be a net loss ( obviously it does not add any customers into the Microsoft column ). Only Microsoft could have accomplished such a possibility, good work Steve! :thumbup And yes, in the comments some MicroZealots show up to embarrass themselves.

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Microsoft CFO Says Company Has No Mobile 'Plan B' ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-14 )

That's for sure. Let's review the foolproof Plan A: Destroy Windows. Specifically, have some children using the rectangle tool on Microsoft Paint create the Playskool level Microsoft Tiles from gluing together ideas from Xbox, MCE, WP, Windows Gadgets, Active Desktop, Channels, the System Tray and elements of consumer electronic firmware. Then insert it into Windows 7 and rip out all the familiarity like the Start Menu and visual cues, take a sledgehammer to the evolved GUI screen elements like Aero returning it to Windows 1.x amateurism with sharp corners on 256-color shadowless 2D windows and 2-color icons, and for good measure once again randomly re-arrange access to all Windows configuration settings, slap on the name Windows 8 and call it a day. Now take this abomination and announce it as the past future and force it into all possible Windows platforms from phones to tablets, to powerful Servers and Workstations. Now feed it into the monopolized captive OEM channel where they can slip it into the world through attrition instead of by choice. Now stand back as all the hapless victims customers naturally fall hopelessly in love with the old new paradigm, and beat down the doors of Best Buy clamoring for more tiles on even more phones and tablets and computers and soon we will rule the world again! Bwahahahaha in evil voice. Oh wait, what?. ... BTW, isn't it hilarious that "Plan B" is also a name for Emergency Contraception Pills. :lol: So they must be telling us they are having this baby mutant whether we want it or not. It's Alive ...

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Morgan Stanley analyst: Microsoft losing out on billions by not bringing Office to iPad ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

This is an interesting thought experiment and quite a pickle for Microsoft ( actual MicroZealot: "...it would be foolish for Microsoft to assist Apple by releasing Office for the iPad." ). Will they do better selling the software direct to the vast Apple ( and other ) Tablet market or keep it in house to try to sell "Windows" tablet hardware. There are way more iPads than there were Macs in the mid-1980's so it should be a no-brainer ( recall that Microsoft sent top-shelf versions of Word and Excel to Apple Macs with WYSIWYG GUI years before the PC had them, or even a functional Windows version ). This is further proof that Microsoft has plain lost its mind and instead of sound business decisions they are making crazy moves that follow no logic. Microsoft, the software company, should be selling all kinds of software for the iPad and other platforms. They have a huge archive of stuff that just needs to be ported and they would be flying out of the stores ( take Flight Simulator for example, a well-known signature game that instead of being further developed was suddenly effectively exterminated, and is but one of numerous titles that should be sold ). Instead of selling software for Apple ( and others ) the would rather try to become Apple. It's that jealousy thing again. ADDED: Thurrott comments ...

When asked whether Microsoft would port its Office suite of applications to Apple’s popular iOS devices (e.g., the iPhone and iPad), Klein offered nothing new: He said that the firm was of course evaluating the opportunity and that the tradeoffs—the success of Office vs. removing a key advantage of Windows products—was fairly obvious. My sources tell me this product is in fact complete and that Microsoft will release Office 2013 for iOS before mid-year.





Nvidia CEO: Windows RT will result in a wonderful PC ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

Says the guy manufacturing ARM chips for the Surface RT :lol: You gotta wonder why he feels it necessary to say this. Perhaps because orders were reduced? ADDED: Thurrott comments ... "NVIDIA CEO is Delusional"



IDC: Windows Phone Q4 2012 sales up 150 percent ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

You mean sales are up comparing Q4 2012 ( with WP8 launch ) against Q4 2011 ( WP7x floundering ), hmmm, they couldn't possibly go lower could they? Anyway, at least NeoWin cites some numbers and it must have been painful ...

IDC's press release states that the combined sales of Windows Phone and Windows Mobile products came in at six million units worldwide for the last three months of the year, compared to 2.4 million units for the same period a year ago. That was a 150 percent increase and brought Microsoft's smartphone market share up to 2.6 percent.

Even with that big of a change, it was not enough for third place. BlackBerry, despite seeing sales of its phones drop by 43.1 percent in the quarter, ended up in the third position in IDC's chart, with 7.4 million units and a 3.2 percent market share.


Sorry Charlie, it sure looks they lost on every single front, and without Blackberry even being released until 2013 ( yes, it wasn't even available in Q4 ). So it really is all uphill from here. This was a fool's errand hoping to make gains penetrating the mobile space, and destroying Windows for no good reason at all.



Microsoft's Surface Pro Shortage Sham ( Dvorak 2013-02-12 )

Almost forgot this one, now a few days old. Dvorak comments on the obvious marketing stunt with the Surface Pro.


EDIT: added stories, added Thurrott comment, updated image URLs, and again

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 06 May 2013 - 08:12 AM.

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