Charlotte, it seems to me that you are the one that is "making trouble where there was none". Ever since the original posts that threatened the closure of the thread your posts have become more and more inflammatory in nature. Are you trying to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt? Why? What benefit are statements like these to you, the other board members and visitors, or the staff?
... participating in a thread with a Sword of Damacles hanging over it is distracting ...
... the problems are still here. What is allowed? What was off-topic? What is now considered off-topic? Do any of you know? ...
... does anyone even know what can be discussed anymore? ...
... there is nothing "petty" about free speech ...
... it is larger than whatever "evil-doer" might have infiltrated its staff and put their own petty agenda above that of the Site itself ...
Yes, IMO the staff screwed up by threatening, and following through with, the closure of the thread. So what? It's been fixed and reopened. (How long should someone give you a hard time about any mistake that you make?) Nothing was deleted, no one was banned, no one was threatened, nothing was censured. The only
thing that happened was that it was moved. Period. And I think the move was way
overdue. The thread got special treatment by having the move delayed far longer than any other thread on this board could have gotten away with.
What problems do you feel are still here? Most of your comments are about "off-topic", "what can be discussed", " free speech" etc. And all of those are what contributed to the thread being moved. Why was it moved? Because the thread began in the technical section of the forum to discuss and expose the details in operation and function of Windows 8. While there were occasional positive comments about features that someone liked, most of the comments were criticizing design decisions that had been made about either functions, or lack of them, or the user interface. Posts were made about ways to get around perceived roadblocks, or just open complaints, some hoping that someone at MS would hear our cries and come to their senses and fix these "obvious" mistakes. So far so good, and all on topic. But once it became evident that our posts weren't doing any other good than allowing us to vent our frustrations, make fun of MS in their apparent misguided efforts to get a bigger piece of the tablet and phone markets, and act as a lightning rod to gather together others that were just as outraged as we were in how MS screwed up the desktop OS, the thread quickly expanded to compare the mistakes we saw happening in Windows 8 to other mistakes we saw occurring throughout MS, such as in Windows Phone, RT, Surface, marketing in general, inflating sales figures, comparing sales to that of Windows 7 or Vista, etc. Yes, they are indeed all "related" to Windows 8, if for no other reason that MS has seemed to put all there eggs in one basket and all hardware and software the company is currently involved with has something to do with Windows 8. So yes, the thread is cohesive in that sense. But what percentage of the posts have anything to do with the original intent to discuss the the technical operation and function of Windows 8? Some of the posts don't even mention Windows 8 specifically at all.
So the thread was moved to a more general topic area, clumsily, but bottom line it was just moved.
There was no censure, free speech was not involved, there was not an issue about what can or cannot be discussed, there was no petty agenda of any staff member that I am aware of, there was no outside influence or pressure. How much more to the bottom of this do you need to get?
Yes, the "What Happened" thread was locked, Maybe it shouldn't have been, but I'm not sure what else you wanted to get out of that thread. After all, that whole thread could be considered a violation of Rule 8. And I guess that is the only Sword of Damacles hanging over anyone's head, the one that has always been there of being banned, which usually occurs due to lack of respect shown to either other members and/or the staff. But the staff left that thread alone for a while, attempted to respond to some of the posts, and maybe that thread was what caused them to reconsider the closing of the thread and reopen it. And even if the thread is now locked, it was not deleted.
So I think the fears you have expressed are unfounded and overblown.
Charlotte, I like you, I respect you and I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts. You have a lot of experience and knowledge and you have done a marvelous job of gathering information and summarizing it succinctly in a very readable fashion. Your posts have been enlightening, thought provoking, and entertaining. You have helped inspire others to participate, and you are right that members and their participation are the lifeblood of any forum. I sincerely hope we can all get beyond this and do as JorgeA
I'd suggest that we continue carrying on exactly the sort of discussion about Windows 8, and its consequences and implications, that we were having before the thread got moved. Then we'll learn what the limits are, if any -- if the thread gets shut down permanently, we'll know for sure that the problem wasn't simply going off-topic in a technical subforum; while if the thread gets to go on unmolested, then we'll know that everything's cool now.
Quitting at this point would merely hand to any possible Softies the victory they'd like. Let them show their cards.
Good to see you here. Let 'er rip!!!
Cheers and Regards