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"Fundamentally, we believe in people and their ability to adapt and move forward. Throughout the history of computing, people have again and again adapted to new paradigms and interaction methods."

I always get scared when a designer talks about the inevitability of people accepting a change. It's like you're counting on some mystical law of nature to cause a migration, rather than enticing people to move by giving them something that works better than what they have today. That's how the DOS to Windows transition worked -- people could (and did) continue to live in DOS for years until they learned how much more they could get done with Windows. But Microsoft has decided to force the issue. Then it rationalizes the decision with bromides like "we believe in people" and "the DOS users complained a lot too and look how that turned out."


I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the number of people who understand this motivation of Microsoft but fail to realize that by pulling the rug from their customers' feet Microsoft is risking exodus to competing products. Change is not inevitable when your product is a less developed version of what the competition offers. I think Microsoft of the 90s was scared that despite all their work that Windows 95 still might not be convincing over Macintosh and/or the previous interfaces (DOS and/or Windows 3), which while loathed by many was still profitable. This Microsoft is pretending competition doesn't exist, even though it is far more established in the target market.

The story about people willingly using DOS for years is disingenuous. Almost everybody converted instantly because Windows 95 was such an upgrade. They had to because the Internet didn't really work with DOS, and even if the Internet wasn't of interest, Windows 95's ad-hoc networking was still superior to the unaffordable Netware on DOS. The problem was that it took years for new industry-specific software to be written so people were forced to stick with DOS for a keystone program, which ran in a real-mode window within Windows 95-98. People hated this at worst and tolerated it at best. Though Progman.exe and Fileman.exe were still around, no one used them and accepted Explorer as an upgrade over Windows 3.

Yep. That meme about "same thing happening in Windows 95" is complete utter bullcrap. Even the most unintelligent person should be able to see the contradictory nature of stating it because If that meme were true we would have rejected Win95 and stayed with DOS and WinDOS v3.xx. Yet here we are.

As you stated, people ran as fast as they could to the new and more stable multithreaded and multitasking paradigm, and the GUI was a tiny part of the transition. There were very few people wedded to the WinDOS ProgMan interface, it had only existed about 5 years in total but aside from us long-timers, most people had perhaps a year or two experience in it tops. Now contrast that to the Start Menu when it was removed by Sinofsky and Jensen Harris, it had a minimum 17-year pedigree already, thus the meme fails yet again on the basis of comparing apples and oranges. And to satisfy those very very few people that might want the Win3x interface, ProgMan was included along with FileMan. This whole notion of resistance to Win95 is nothing more than a Big Lie and is meant to tamp down the real resistance to Windows 8 Playskool Edition. All those things you listed are true, and more. Although we no longer think of Win9x as crashproof compared to NT/2K/XP and later, it was an order of magnitude more stable than any earlier attempts at running multiple programs simultaneously. I still marvel at the thought of successfully running Win95 with 8 MB RAM and on a few hundred MB HDD at 66 MHz. Because of paging, any size programs would run if you had the patience to wait for the disk thrashing. Networking, Printing, WYSIWYG, etc, it all came together at once ( PnP growing pains and other caveats notwithstanding ). Of course no sooner than they had a winner than Microsoft already began unraveling things by mismanaging the code and feature growth by fattening things up in Win98, but I digress.

It really just reinforces what I have long thought, we are not dealing with logical or even rational people here. We are dealing with children who comprise Generation Xbox or Generation ReTard ( you pick ). The question is, can both camps, normal folks and Generation ReTard co-exist under the same roof? I think not. We could in the past because Microsoft provided many different products to satisfy different customers. But then some genius decided that one size fits all, and here we are.

To use yet another auto analogy, it is as if during a trend towards small compact high-mileage cars ( phones and tablets with long battery life ) the automakers decided to forget large transportation rather than scale to accommodate the alleged new trend. There will always be more cars than trucks ... but ... there still will always be trucks. It is as simple as that. And in a nutshell, this highlights Microsoft's craziness. Using cars instead of trucks or school buses ( like Thurrott replacing his workstation with Surface ) is irrational. Making trucks look and operate like cars ( shoehorning Metro and other crap into the desktop ) is equally stoopid. And it's not like Microsoft operates custom assembly lines created for each particular product form factor which need to be physically re-tooled at great expense to switch over. Their product is bits and bytes, and they all live in the same virtual space. The cries of "it's more efficient to unify the code" is complete utter self-serving garbage that only benefits Microsoft, like everything we are hearing from them these days.

Technology is meant to adapt to customer demands, NOT vice versa. When the customer adapts to the technology they are merely slaves to the whims of the company, in this case the monopolist Microsoft. Devolving the already evolved technology down to the lowest common denominator is the worst possible idea of them all.

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Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 18 March 2013 - 04:38 PM.

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Windows 8 in the Enterprise are causing headaches for administrators apparently. Some of the functions of Windows 8 such as Mail and others absolutely require that you are logged in using your Live account in order to function. Companies that are now purchasing Windows 8 systems have 2 problems with this:
1. They do not want to administer/manage hundreds of Microsoft accounts for their users
2. They do not want their users to use their personal accounts (if they even have them).

Read some frustrated posts here:
http://social.techne...de-5d369abe1450

Wow, the "responders" seem to be remarkably thick-headed (lacking an appreciation of the problem). That Technet thread should be forwarded to Thurrott, Ed Bott and other Win8 apologists and see what they have to say. And also to tech news sites who can spread the word.

However... isn't it possible to avoid the Metro mail and remote desktop apps, as one commenter suggests? Or are those services only available, in Win8, as Metro apps?

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Edited by JorgeA, 18 March 2013 - 05:16 PM.


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Technology is meant to adapt to customer demands, NOT vice versa. When the customer adapts to the technology they are merely slaves to the whims of the company, in this case the monopolist Microsoft.

We've had a number of Star Trek references in this thread. Jensen H., Julie L.-G. and their minions are in a way almost like a real-life version of the Borg. They take the attitude that "resistance is futile," they expect that ultimately we will all be assimilated, and reasoning with them is completely useless.

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:thumbup Where'd you find that pic?

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Microsoft abandon the desktop to the Windows Blue


"Clearly, this is a serious change and there are some risks, but the company ready to take that step. This is necessary not only to bring the interface to a single concept, but for ease of reading the OS end users" - said in a private conversation, a source directly involved in the development of new OS.


:realmad: :realmad: :realmad:


is this really a translation issue? Maybe it really refers to Windows Azure?
http://en.wikipedia....rvices_Platform


I'm following up on this with a Russian speaker for confirmation:

If you hover the mouse pointer over the Google translation, the original Russian appears on the screen. This is how the lead sentence reads:

Корпорация Microsoft планирует отказаться от привычного всем Рабочего стола в своей новой операционной системе Windows Blue.

Note that "Windows Blue" is exactly the phrase that's used in the original (according to the Google translation page).

Not a good sign, if the report is accurate. :realmad:

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Edited by JorgeA, 18 March 2013 - 05:14 PM.


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:thumbup Where'd you find that pic?

I made it. Got stacks of them too. :lol:

P.S. well I did the text and stuff. Someone else made the visuals, probably this one.

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 18 March 2013 - 07:30 PM.

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:thumbup Where'd you find that pic?

I made it. Got stacks of them too. :lol:

P.S. well I did the text and stuff. Someone else made the visuals, probably this one.

That's very cool, I really oughta learn how to splice images together from different sources.

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More bad news on Windows 8 PC sales:

PC Shipments Could See Double-Digit Drop In Q1: IDC

Word is getting out:

Tablets have been stealing sales from laptops and PCs. And an expected jump from the release of the new Windows 8 PC operating system from Microsoft (MSFT) hasn't materialized, as users have found the touch-screen-optimized OS hard to use.

(emphasis added)

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Technology is meant to adapt to customer demands, NOT vice versa.


This is always where I get stuck. What problem does Windows 8 solve? Sure I can get used to it, but why would I? What's in it for me? If I really wanted an app store experience, why wouldn't I use an iOS and/or Android device which I already own? In light of the bolded statement, Microsoft's market doesn't even make sense: they're targeting a segment who wants "apps" but hasn't bought into either of the mature ecosystems. And they charge more for a less developed experience. Even 80 year olds have iPads.

When the customer adapts to the technology they are merely slaves to the whims of the company, in this case the monopolist Microsoft.


The first time I heard the argument that we need to put up with this stuff because of how Microsoft wants things to be I was literally stunned. It's like my brain melted. Who the hell cares what Microsoft wants? Who are these people who do care? I know some are on payroll but some seem to be pro bono sycophants. My brain is melting again.

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Put Google Reader Into the Public Domain (Dvorak PC Magazine 2013-03-18 )

I love this column. You can literally replace every single reference to Google with Microsoft and it would be even more valid! Here is a small excerpt ,,,

"... Instead, it looks like the company, in some brain-dead, cavalier fashion, decided to drop it. "Screw the users. Screw the implications. Screw what anyone thinks. We're Google and what we say goes."

Instead, the company should make Google Reader a public domain open-source system. Give it away to any group that wants it—the Mozilla Foundation, for example.

I've said for years that if a product has a large user base and people have grown to depend on it, then the company, by law, should not be allowed to pull the plug on it without offering it into the public domain. Does Google have any other plans for the code? I don't think so.

Give it up Google. Other people can use Google Reader—and perhaps even make money."


I'd say this especially true for Microsoft because of what they have done by maneuvering themselves into being the sole provider for the operating system to 90+% of the world's x86 computers. This is far more than the anti-monopolist concept of "public utility" ( which can justifiably be taken away in the public interest ) it is more like a "planetary utility", whose prisoners now number in the billions, dwarfing Rockefeller's Standard Oil or J.P. Morgan's U.S. Steel.

Google Reader is just an optional app. No app or any other software can run without an operating system in place interfacing with the hardware and supplying an API to software. This is the business Microsoft chose, and cashed in on to the tune of billions of dollars. Now for the grand finale they want to abuse the monopoly one last time by steering their customer sheeple away from Windows and x86 and independent software forcing them into their own private shearing pen called the Windows 8 and Metro and the Microsoft Store.

Let's rewrite that excerpt ...

... Instead, it looks like the company, in some brain-dead, cavalier fashion, decided to drop it. "Screw the users. Screw the implications. Screw what anyone thinks. We're Microsoft and what we say goes."

Instead, the company should make Microsoft Windows a public domain open-source system. Give it away to any group that wants it—the Mozilla Foundation, for example.

I've said for years that if a product has a large user base and people have grown to depend on it, then the company, by law, should not be allowed to pull the plug on it without offering it into the public domain. Does Microsoft have any other plans for the code? I don't think so.

Give it up Microsoft. Other people can use Microsoft Windows—and perhaps even make money.


Yes, I agree. Give it up Microsoft. Free Windows!

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Technology is meant to adapt to customer demands, NOT vice versa.


This is always where I get stuck. What problem does Windows 8 solve? Sure I can get used to it, but why would I? What's in it for me? If I really wanted an app store experience, why wouldn't I use an iOS and/or Android device which I already own? In light of the bolded statement, Microsoft's market doesn't even make sense: they're targeting a segment who wants "apps" but hasn't bought into either of the mature ecosystems. And they charge more for a less developed experience. Even 80 year olds have iPads.

When the customer adapts to the technology they are merely slaves to the whims of the company, in this case the monopolist Microsoft.


The first time I heard the argument that we need to put up with this stuff because of how Microsoft wants things to be I was literally stunned. It's like my brain melted. Who the hell cares what Microsoft wants? Who are these people who do care? I know some are on payroll but some seem to be pro bono sycophants. My brain is melting again.

I totally agree. It's hard to wrap my head around that sort of attitude, not only accepting but all-too-often even enthusiastically endorsing and cheerleading whatever "change" is lobbed at them from on high, regardless of what said change actually does. :blink: It's almost like some herd instinct vs. the individual who thinks for himself, as in some dystopian sci-fi "B" movie.

We've probably said this before, but if you read the fanboi comments at certain websites that shall remain nameless, ;) you'll find the bulk of Win8 opponents offering logical arguments or substantial reasons for disliking the new OS, while supporters largely engage in name-calling and variations on the non-argument, "it's SOOOOOO cool!!" There are exceptions on each side of course, but I suspect that a content analysis of those comments sections would show this to be the case.

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NOT "strictly" Windows 8 connected, but near :angel :
http://www.osnews.com/thread?551437

Wow, that was an eye opener, thank you for posting the link. And it does have a relation to this thread, as another example of a vendor trying to channel, limit, and control what the end-user (the customer) does:

The whole point of this technology has always been to shift control over the software users install over to the hardware vendor.


the reasons for UEFI's and SecureBoot's widespread adoption aren't to help protect users, but to transfer control over the machine from the user to the manufacturer and the security thing is just a cloak under which they want to hide it. News sites such as OSNews are doing users a disservice by not calling the vendors out on it at every opportunity. This isn't about securing your machine from attackers. It's about securing the machine from you, the owner.


:ph34r: :angry:

And, while we're on the subject of vendors controlling what users may do with their own PCs, consider where users will be left if and when Windows goes all-Metro and the ONLY way to install new software is via the App Store: they (we) won't be able to use something like this.

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Edited by JorgeA, 18 March 2013 - 10:25 PM.


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... the reasons for UEFI's and SecureBoot's widespread adoption aren't to help protect users, but to transfer control over the machine from the user to the manufacturer and the security thing is just a cloak under which they want to hide it ...


'It's for your security': The perfect Letter of Marque nowadays :angry: .

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RE: Windows 8 Accounts
Some more interesting points:
http://www.infoworld...accounts-191185
http://community.sky...nt/td-p/1148638
http://www.infinitec...rosoft-account/

Please do notice the dates of the above, I hope the good MS guys won't come back saying "you talked, we listened" or "noone ever told us that" .... :whistle:

The same user that started the thread Tripredacus referenced:
http://social.techne...e-5d369abe1450/
also posted:
http://social.techne...5-a2a07026e04b/

For the record, in Preview there were some issues and a tool was actually released, looking at the checks that the thingy does with a critical eye ;) some items appear to be worth a raised eyebrow:
http://www.ghacks.ne...ccounts-issues/

The following issues are checked by the program:

  • Corrupt Microsoft Account settings
  • Can't connect to the sync service
  • Problems with Microsoft account Policy
  • Microsoft Account required
  • Connection issues due to proxy or certificate issues
  • Check for roaming GPO enabled status
  • Problem with system registration
  • Signed in with a guest account, or Roaming User Profiles enabled
  • You are not connected to the Internet
  • Proxy Settings
  • You have reached your daily sync quote
  • Sync your settings is turned off
  • Check system not activated.

I mean, if there should be an issue *somewhere* in a connection it seems like issues may arise:
http://social.techne...a-0755f0bb2e44/
And of course there are issues even on the non-business use, check the point "The one that got away" here:
http://www.pcworld.c...o-fix-them.html

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Here's an pretty amusing rant by someone who got W8 with a new computer and didn't know it before:

http://sparklements....-just-like.html

I guess that story repeated many times in the past few months...

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Here's an pretty amusing rant by someone who got W8 with a new computer and didn't know it before:

http://sparklements....-just-like.html

I guess that story repeated many times in the past few months...


Nice one :thumbup .
Besides the main ones and the nice conclusion:

In conclusion, yes, I will "get used to" the lack of a Start button, I will "get used to" the useless Start/App screen, I will "get used to" the annoying Charms bar (I'm not even going to get into the lack of a native email program or the Restart button never working or the fact that Media Player no longer plays DVDs)...but I will NEVER like it.

B)

I particularly appreciated the Bonus Rant about the ribbon interface, and the possible issues with the "average Suzie secretary" needing to fight with .XML. :yes:

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Technology is meant to adapt to customer demands, NOT vice versa.


This is always where I get stuck. What problem does Windows 8 solve? Sure I can get used to it, but why would I? What's in it for me? If I really wanted an app store experience, why wouldn't I use an iOS and/or Android device which I already own? In light of the bolded statement, Microsoft's market doesn't even make sense: they're targeting a segment who wants "apps" but hasn't bought into either of the mature ecosystems. And they charge more for a less developed experience.


The enablers actually think that's a plus. "Apple shows customers are fed-up with cheap plastic devices" is what 8tards love to tout.

Edited by Formfiller, 19 March 2013 - 09:08 AM.


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Windows 8 in the Enterprise are causing headaches for administrators apparently. Some of the functions of Windows 8 such as Mail and others absolutely require that you are logged in using your Live account in order to function. Companies that are now purchasing Windows 8 systems have 2 problems with this:
1. They do not want to administer/manage hundreds of Microsoft accounts for their users
2. They do not want their users to use their personal accounts (if they even have them).

Read some frustrated posts here:
http://social.techne...de-5d369abe1450


However... isn't it possible to avoid the Metro mail and remote desktop apps, as one commenter suggests? Or are those services only available, in Win8, as Metro apps?


That user's major complaint is that he requires the Microsoft Account in order to install the Touch Remote Desktop app onto the computers. I don't know if he is making images himself or if they are just purchasing PCs with Windows 8 preinstalled on them already.
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I have the feeling that you guys will love this thread:

http://hardforum.com...d.php?t=1751038

Lots of good 8tard stuff there. I am feeling like a child in a candy store.

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RE: Windows 8 Accounts
Some more interesting points:
http://www.infoworld...accounts-191185

That thread was from April of last year, when the Consumer Preview was out. With this in mind, check out the comment by "Bob" (second on the list). :rolleyes: It's infuriating to see this kind of "argument" being put out. Basically, it's a demand to shut up and not point out problems -- which of course can only help to ensure that the problem doesn't get fixed. (And it never did get fixed, right?)


http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w8itprosecurity/thread/8c9dad97-1eb7-4960-91ca-0755f0bb2e44/

I am having the same issue. I only have the option to log in with a Microsoft Account and I keep getting the error "Your pc is offline pls sign in with the last password used on this pc.".

I don't see any options for logging in other than through this Account and that doesn't work. If there is another option to login, can you please provide some specific guidance on how to do this?

Clearly, the push is for turning PC's into dumb Internet terminals that can't do any work on their own. :angry:

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... the reasons for UEFI's and SecureBoot's widespread adoption aren't to help protect users, but to transfer control over the machine from the user to the manufacturer and the security thing is just a cloak under which they want to hide it ...


'It's for your security': The perfect Letter of Marque nowadays :angry: .

If it weren't so frustrating, that would be funny!

"Here here, we have determined that you are incompetent to run your own life computer, so in our superior wisdom we are going to make it so that you are physically able to do only the things that we approve of."

Looked at from another angle, your "Letter of Marque" observation gives a new twist to the title of the movie, Pirates of Silicon Valley.

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Here's an pretty amusing rant by someone who got W8 with a new computer and didn't know it before:

http://sparklements....-just-like.html

I guess that story repeated many times in the past few months...

That was great. He has a ton of pointed comments on the UX, too many to start quoting here! My "favorite" one is the final Follow Up Observational Rant, where he's trying to carry out some complicated instructions off a Web page, and a Metro-style screen takes over his monitor, covering up the instructions he needed to read. Stoopid sh*t. (Now I'm sounding like that guy. :) )

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RE: Windows 8 Accounts
Some more interesting points:
http://www.infoworld...accounts-191185
http://community.sky...nt/td-p/1148638
http://www.infinitec...rosoft-account/

Please do notice the dates of the above, I hope the good MS guys won't come back saying "you talked, we listened" or "noone ever told us that" .... :whistle:


Yeah, who knew associating an email address with a local account would be an issue?

How Apple and Amazon Security Flaws Led to My Epic Hacking

Well, I guess he would.

And worst of all, my AppleID account was broken into, and my hackers used it to remotely erase all of the data on my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook.


Ouch.

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Hey mates :), how many posts are actually ON Topic lately?

Too many! :realmad:

Here is an Off Topic :ph34r:, but not much ;) one:
http://phetdreams.tu...y-privacy-issue

If you bought the app on Google Play (even if you cancelled the order) I have your email address, your suburb, and in many instances your full name. Each Google Play order is treated as a Google wallet transaction and as such software developers get all of the information (sans exact address) for an order of an app that they would get from the order of something physical.


Let me make this crystal clear, every App purchase you make on Google Play gives the developer your name, suburb and email address with no indication that this information is actually being transferred. With the information I have available to me through the checkout portal I could track down and harass users who left negative reviews or refunded the app purchase. The problems on android of app permissions (and subsequent potential for malware aside) is one of active negative behaviour on the part of an app developer. This isn’t. This is a massive oversight by Google.


More here:
http://www.benedelma...s/021913-1.html

Nolan noted two clear problems: First, a developer could use customer contact details to track and harass users who left negative reviews or sought refunds. Second, an attacker could write malware that, running on app developers' computers, logs into Google's systems to collect user data. While one might hope app developers would keep their computers secure from such malware, there are tens of thousands of Android developers. Some are bound to have poor security on some local machines. Users' data shouldn't be vulnerable to the weakest link among these thousands of developers. An attacker could devise a highly deceptive attack with information about which users bought which apps when -- yielding customized, accurate emails inviting users to provide passwords (actually phishing) or install updates (actually malware).




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RE: Windows 8 Accounts
Some more interesting points:
http://www.infoworld...accounts-191185
http://community.sky...nt/td-p/1148638
http://www.infinitec...rosoft-account/

Please do notice the dates of the above, I hope the good MS guys won't come back saying "you talked, we listened" or "noone ever told us that" .... :whistle:

Yeah, who knew associating an email address with a local account would be an issue?

How Apple and Amazon Security Flaws Led to My Epic Hacking

Well, I guess he would.

And worst of all, my AppleID account was broken into, and my hackers used it to remotely erase all of the data on my iPhone, iPad, and MacBook.

Ouch.

Lots of Generation Xbox fanboys are learning a similar lesson, today. ...

UPDATED: Xbox Entertainment Awards blighted by security breach ( MCV 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft's Xbox Entertainment Awards website hit with security breach ( NeoWin 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft team members targeted in Xbox Live account attacks ( NeoWin 2013-03-20 )

Microsoft confirms 'high-profile' employee Xbox Live accounts hacked ( The Verge 2013-03-19 )

MCV reports they were alerted to the security breach by a reader who sent them a link where the private information was available for anyone else to see. The data on the page included the real names of the people who voted in the awards, along with their email addresses, birthdays and their Xbox Gamertags. The reader claims that about 2,892 names were shown on the site. It is not yet known how long the page was available to the public.


ScreenCap of the image at the links ...

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... looks like that list is something that might be useful to a hacker and/or spammer. I guess a whole lot of people will now be changing email addresses and Xbox tags.

Welcome to our Brave New World where your personal data is perfectly safe.

EDIT: added more articles, updated image URL

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 May 2013 - 05:59 PM.

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Here's an pretty amusing rant by someone who got W8 with a new computer and didn't know it before:

http://sparklements....-just-like.html

I guess that story repeated many times in the past few months...

Just as the author mentions, its amazing how many Dilbert cartoons accurately describe Windows 8 and/or Metro.

This one I used way back in this thread ( when Sinofsky and Harris justifying their destruction of Windows by citing bogus telemetry ) ...

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EDIT: spacing, changed image URL

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 06 May 2013 - 08:11 AM.

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