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Windows 8 - Deeper Impressions


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Hmmm. now really OT, meanwhile in the UK:
http://www.education...design/baseline

http://www.dezeen.co...hool-buildings/

The reports call for "simple, orthogonal forms" with "no curves or ‘faceted’ curves" and having "minimal indents, ‘dog legs’ and notches in the plan shapes". They also state that buildings should have "no glazed curtain walling or ETFE roofs".


the future of (public school) architecture and design is doomed (you see, you start by making windows flat, and see where it brings you), the RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects) promptly emitting their concerns, that are really worth some comment (just the first three):

1. A failure to create functional spaces for excellent teaching

The RIBA is concerned that a ‘one size fits all’ approach will place a straitjacket on future generations of teaching professionals and quickly render these schools redundant in the light of developments in pedagogy and technology.

Cannot say about developments in pedagogy :w00t:, but I can tell you about a couple things on the light of technology ones, which seems pretty dim. ;)

2. Not ensuring discipline and student wellbeing

The minimal circulation spaces have the potential for serious congestion, with the consequential impact on behaviour and wellbeing. The designs for secondary schools include narrow corridors and concealed stairs that are difficult to supervise; in many schools this is likely to result in the need for additional staff supervision to maintain good behaviour and avoid bullying.

I wonder how the heck did we survive all those years in cubic/rectangular school buildings without getting chokied to death in occasion of a serious congestion :unsure: , and without being killed/harmed by bullying practices, inevitable wherever concealed stairs :ph34r: are in use.

3. Ignoring the safeguarding of environmental comfort

The low energy environmental strategy is welcomed but the success of the layout is predicated on optimal conditions that may be difficult to achieve in reality. Relatively minor changes in orientation, internal finishes, or structural systems will significantly affect lighting, ventilation, heat gain and acoustics, which will in turn negatively impact on teaching and learning; eg well-ventilated and well-lit classrooms are crucial to aiding and extending student concentration.

Well-ventilated well-lit classroom (that can BTW be made in any normal rectangular building) are essential for kids to concentrate on angrybirds or chatting online (the two main activities currently carried on in school classrooms).

NO, seriously, meanwhile in London....
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Edited by jaclaz, 19 March 2013 - 01:41 PM.



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I have the feeling that you guys will love this thread:

http://hardforum.com...d.php?t=1751038

Lots of good 8tard stuff there. I am feeling like a child in a candy store.

I honestly don't know how you manage to do it, you must have an extra patience gene! ...

Do you just follow all win8/surface posts to just post useless crap like this? We get it, you think win8 sucks.... you don't need to add your useless opinion to every effing thread.

Lol... look at his previous 100 posts. Almost all of them mention Win 8 being a failure in some way or another.

You can save your response. I forgot about the ignore list, which just got a new member.

how do you do that?

Under User CP. Add his username to the ignore list.


:lol:
Stop calling Windows 8 a failure! Leave Metro alone! How can I block this guy! I don't wanna hear him no more!

Here's a peek at those commenters through their webcams ...

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I laughed out loud at the cartoon.

Thanks.

Here's an pretty amusing rant by someone who got W8 with a new computer and didn't know it before:

http://sparklements....-just-like.html

I guess that story repeated many times in the past few months...

Just as the author mentions, its amazing how many Dilbert cartoons accurately describe Windows 8 and/or Metro.

This one I used way back in this thread ( when Sinofsky and Harris justifying their destruction of Windows by citing bogus telemetry ) ...

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Hmmm. now really OT, meanwhile in the UK:
http://www.education...design/baseline

http://www.dezeen.co...hool-buildings/

The reports call for "simple, orthogonal forms" with "no curves or ‘faceted’ curves" and having "minimal indents, ‘dog legs’ and notches in the plan shapes". They also state that buildings should have "no glazed curtain walling or ETFE roofs".


the future of (public school) architecture and design is doomed (you see, you start by making windows flat, and see where it brings you), the RIBA (Royal Institute of British Architects) promptly emitting their concerns

Amazing -- so it's not just computing, this flatness thing is an emerging esthetic.

Now I understand why 3D TVs haven't caught on in the market: they run counter to the current trend! :whistle:

Just wait till this fashion hits automobiles. We'll have boxy cars (no rounded edges!) and, naturally, flat tires. :w00t:

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A website that @jaclaz linked to a couple of days ago led me to this item:

The reason we don't have Metro Office yet

One of the major lacking features in the newest Office: no Metro applications. In fact, the only reason Windows RT has a desktop at all is because the Office team was unable to create Metro applications in time for the release of Windows RT. I often thought this was a classic case of two important divisions within Microsoft not getting along and not being aligned, but now that I have my own Surface RT, I'm starting to realise that there's a far simpler, and thus more likely, explanation: Metro is simply not ready for anything serious - or for anything at all, really.


Having come to that realisation, I am convinced that at least part of the reason for the lack of Metro Office stems from the sobering fact that WinRT simply isn't up to the task of forming the base of something as complex as Office. I mean, there's a progress bar (!) when copying/pasting in the only Metro Office application (the OneNote preview application).

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The reason we don't have Metro Office yet

Well it's not for the lack of trying hoping, wishing and praying ...

Nvidia CEO describes Windows RT as 'disappointing,' says Microsoft can 'get it right' ( The Verge 2013-03-19 )

NVIDIA CEO really wants Outlook on Windows RT; prays to "Outlook God" ( NeoWin 2013-03-19 )

The "Outlook God" (Microsoft) won't speak of Windows RT port ( NeoWin 2013-03-20 )

While Huang's comments on Windows RT's current lack of success were to be expected, he then surprised the analysts by his pleas for Microsoft to launch an Outlook client that would run on Windows RT. In fact, he flat out said he has been praying to the "Outlook God" to make this happen.

He stated that if Outlook for Windows RT were released, "It would make my life complete. My life would be complete. I don't know about you guys but I would need nothing else. I am one Outlook away from computing nirvana and I just hoping he is listening now. Outlook God, please."

He later added, "I know there are smart people up there who are going to unleash the dragons of Outlook on the millions of consumers who are just waiting with bated breath for a very, very thin PC with long battery life that's Outlook compatible."


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Inspired by a comment at The Verge

Of course as CEO of the ARM supplier for Windows RT devices perhaps he sees the tepid response to it's namesake Windows 8 and common ancestor Windows Phone as warning signs ...

Seriously, that is a SMALL sampling of the bad news during the past few weeks.

EDIT: added another article, updated image URL

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 15 May 2013 - 06:00 PM.

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Microsoft tempts Windows developers with $100 cash for new apps ( The Verge 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft now paying devs to submit Windows 8/Windows Phone apps ( NeoWin 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft: Paying Windows 8 app makers is just a temporary program ( NeoWin 2013-03-20 )

Paying Developers to Support Windows 8 is a Slippery Slope ( Thurrott 2013-03-21 )

How's that Plan-A of Destroying Windows to grab mobile marketshare working out? What is this Plan-B? Oh wait, there is no Plan-B ( Microsoft CFO Says Company Has No Mobile 'Plan B' ) so I guess we're seeing Plan-A.3 or Plan-A.5? :lol:



Microsoft to support Windows Phone 8 until July 2014, no promise of future OS upgrades yet ( The Verge 2013-03-18 )

Windows Phone 8 support to end in 2014. Sign of Win Phone update or death knell? ( UK Register 2013-03-18 )

The WP End-of-Support debacle ( The Verge 2013-03-18 )

Simple miscommunication or a sign of trouble ahead? The answer cannot be determined yet. But considering recent actions by Microsoft who would automatically give them the benefit of the doubt these days?



Here's a few articles from earlier this month that went onto the back burner amidst all the drama in this thread ...

Windows 1.0 logo has been copied by HTC ( NeoWin 2013-02-28 )

HTC's Zoe Share and Microsoft's Windows 1.0 logo have a lot in common ( NeoWin 2013-03-03 )

IDC: Windows 8 users want Start menu and booting to desktop ( NeoWin 2013-03-10 )

Four months in, Windows 8 needs help ( CNet 2013-03-09 )

IDC: Lack of Start Button Deflates Windows 8 Interest ( Tom's Hardware 2013-03-13 )

Basically some MicroZealots believe that an HTC design looks something like the old Windows v1.0 logo. :no: Sorry. Of course these same MicroZealots should go back to Post #789 in this thread where we see Microsoft actually ripping off Microsoft, and apparently never realizing they did it to themselves. :lol:

The other articles are but a small sample of many recent ones describing the general awakening to the fact that Windows 8 Plan-A was ridiculous and full of holes. A fact that was clear as days to many commenters here in this very thread thousands of posts ago. The stories still manage to understate the obvious though. But they seem to be noticing.

EDIT: added more articles

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 22 March 2013 - 12:24 AM.

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I see on the "4 months in, Windows8 needs help" thread, I see there is talk of Microsoft dropping prices of Win8 to help PC sales.
I think a lemon tastes bitter no matter what the price.
Or should I say the damage has already been done?

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Microsoft tempts Windows developers with $100 cash for new apps ( The Verge 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft now paying devs to submit Windows 8/Windows Phone apps ( NeoWin 2013-03-19 )

It tells you how bad the situation is when they have to pay developers to entice them into putting time and effort on Metro apps.

It's looking increasingly likely (though, of course, not yet a certainty) that:

Nothing can save Windows 8 now

If you thought Microsoft was in trouble before, matters are much worse. If you didn't think the company had problems, you should look again. Windows 8 is in deep do-do as the world goes mobile and Steve Ballmer and Company have got nothing to offer. Windows Phone 8 has little to no market share, which, by the way, isn't growing in the emerging markets (China among them) where smartphone shipments soar.

Windows 8 was supposed to save the PC market. But roles are reversed. With about 80 percent of operating system revenue coming from personal computer sales, Microsoft's options are limited. Short of divine intervention, nothing can save Windows 8 now.

--JorgeA

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I see on the "4 months in, Windows8 needs help" thread, I see there is talk of Microsoft dropping prices of Win8 to help PC sales.
I think a lemon tastes bitter no matter what the price.
Or should I say the damage has already been done?

That's a great point!

I guess that they could try paying people to use Win8, like they're now offering to pay developers -- but like you said, the lemon would still taste just as bitter.

The only hope (which I don't yet see any hints of happening) is that they'll improve the taste of the lemon by bringing back the Start Menu/Button and booting to the Desktop by default. Although there are SO MANY problems with the new UI (no Aero Glass, crude squared-off window corners, flat buttons, hard-to-see scrollbars, etc. etc.) that these measures alone may not be enough.

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Edited by JorgeA, 20 March 2013 - 04:52 PM.


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is this really a translation issue? Maybe it really refers to Windows Azure?
http://en.wikipedia....rvices_Platform

It could be (I hope so). Machine translation is literal and unreliable, and then there is the bit about azure, which as we know is a kind of blue. Plus, I haven't seen anything to confirm or deny this report elsewhere in the (English-language) press.

Maybe a Russian speaker could go to the original website and give us a human take on what it says.

--JorgeA

OK, now I can confirm after consultation with a Russian speaker, that the article does refer to Windows Blue and not Azure. The Google translation, while awkward and poorly written, gets the message right.

After reading the article, the Russian consultant's reaction was -- "So, if there is no Desktop, what is computer for?!"

--JorgeA

P.S. We still need confirmation of this report about Windows Blue from other sources.

Edited by JorgeA, 20 March 2013 - 05:02 PM.


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At first glance these may seem off-topic but as Microsoft unifies everything, whatever they do elsewhere will come back around to Windows and bite us all in the butt eventually. Nothing that Nu-Microsoft does is really off-topic these days.


Report: U.S. government looking into Microsoft for foreign bribery ( NeoWin 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft reportedly facing SEC and DOJ investigation over foreign bribery claims ( The Verge 2013-03-19 )

Microsoft, Partners Investigated for Bribery in International Markets ( Thurrott 2013-03-20 )

The Wall Street Journal, citing unnamed sources, says that the DOJ and SEC are looking into claims that Microsoft's China subsidiary offered some kind of kickbacks to government officials in that country in exchange for signing contracts for software. An anonymous tipster alerted the U.S. government to the claims in 2012, according to the report. The same article claims that Microsoft conducted its own investigation, handled by an outside party, on these same allegations in 2010 but had found no wrongdoing in the matter.

The report claims that the government is looking into similar allegations in Romania and in Italy. In the latter case, there are claims Microsoft used a consultant that allegedly gave Italian procurement officials things such as trips and other gifts in exchange for signing on government contracts.


Serious allegations just hitting the news in the past two days. I think we can safely assume that the inexplicable, unseemly, and ill-advised Scroogle campaign is yielding unintended consequences. :lol:



How Microsoft lets the Chinese government spy on its citizens via Skype ( NeoWin 2013-03-08 )

Microsoft enables China to spy on Skype users via keyword triggers ( TechSpot 2013-03-08 )

University of New Mexico student Jeffrey Knockel claims to have revealed an encrypted list of 1,100+ keywords within China's Skype client, TOM-Skype. This list, containing words like "BBC" and phrases like "Democratic Unionist Party", are suspected to be used for monitoring TOM-Skype users.

When a TOM-Skype user sends chat messages containing "suspicious" language found within the program's periodically updated keyword list, Knockel's research indicates an alert is sent to TOM-Skype's servers containing the sender's account name, message timestamp and detected word(s).


This Microsoft betrayal of the people, their customers, is pretty similar to the "arrangement" that Google has with the Chinese government. Extremely distasteful in both cases, but I gotta say that Microsoft's is particularly unsettling. Just read up on what information gets supplied to the regime and then tell me that you would ever use Skype for anything. :blink:

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How Microsoft lets the Chinese government spy on its citizens via Skype ( NeoWin 2013-03-08 )

Microsoft enables China to spy on Skype users via keyword triggers ( TechSpot 2013-03-08 )

University of New Mexico student Jeffrey Knockel claims to have revealed an encrypted list of 1,100+ keywords within China's Skype client, TOM-Skype. This list, containing words like "BBC" and phrases like "Democratic Unionist Party", are suspected to be used for monitoring TOM-Skype users.

When a TOM-Skype user sends chat messages containing "suspicious" language found within the program's periodically updated keyword list, Knockel's research indicates an alert is sent to TOM-Skype's servers containing the sender's account name, message timestamp and detected word(s).


This Microsoft betrayal of the people, their customers, is pretty similar to the "arrangement" that Google has with the Chinese government. Extremely distasteful in both cases, but I gotta say that Microsoft's is particularly unsettling. Just read up on what information gets supplied to the regime and then tell me that you would ever use Skype for anything. :blink:

This is very disturbing. And that sort of thing isn't just happening "over there" -- as we've pointed out before, MSFT is helping NYC to create an integrated network of video surveillance cameras.

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Word is getting out:

According to Nomura Equity Research‘s Rick Sherlund, Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system is failing to make an impact in the tablet market thanks to its 'awkwardness.'

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I guess that only people with a background knowledge of Italian/Latin based languages will appreciate this :unsure::
http://www.giornalet...urdo-del-mondo/
http://www.webnews.i...-nome-equivoco/

The few B) that can, will! :yes:
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The risk of customers using the app name for the device in a synecdoche:
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Synecdoche
is IMHO a BIG risk for the good Redmond guys. :ph34r:

However, the app was quickly renamed:
http://surfacesoft.com/tag/inkulator/

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Edited by jaclaz, 21 March 2013 - 05:00 AM.


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... 'inkulator' ...


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The caprices of Babel's Tower have also put carmakers in trouble more than once :rolleyes: .

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Yummie, according to Microsoft's own docs, the new Xbox will be:

"Always on, always connected"
"Kinect is required to be plugged in"
"All games must be installed on HDD"


http://n4g.com/news/...ed-must-install

Let's not forget that the Kinect is actually a camera! Apart from blocking used games (very possible given this specs) it means that you're buying a 24/7 connected-to-the-mothership camera here, usually directed at the living room to boot.

In short: You're buying a real-life telescreen here! (Telescreens are the television sets in "1984", they act as display devices but they also work as surveillance cameras, monitoring the room they are in and sending the stream to the big brother government).

Edited by Formfiller, 21 March 2013 - 08:04 AM.


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I guess that only people with a background knowledge of Italian/Latin based languages will appreciate this :unsure::
http://www.giornalet...urdo-del-mondo/

:blushing: :D :lol:

The last line there:

Come al solito Microsoft non si è inventata nulla, ha copiato ancora dagli altri…

A somewhat improved-upon Google translation:

As usual, Microsoft has not invented anything, once again it's copied from somebody else...
;)

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Freudian slip?

I like it how the new Xbox SDK installer uses the Matrix font.

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http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/

Using footage from a movie about being a slave for machines from birth to death sets the mood quite nicely for Telescreen 720, don't you think?

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The caprices of Babel's Tower have also put carmakers in trouble more than once :rolleyes: .

That was hilarious!

A slight variation on this (and totally OT): I remember when the Ford Torino came out. With apologies to @jaclaz ;) because it's a real place in Italy, we made fun of the name by splitting off the "T" and adding an "e" to it...

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Freudian slip?

I like it how the new Xbox SDK installer uses the Matrix font.

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http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/

Using footage from a movie about being a slave for machines from birth to death sets the mood quite nicely for Telescreen 720, don't you think?

Yeah, I do think!

I wonder if they're aware of what they're doing there. Or maybe it's a kind of deliberate (but still ominous) joke.

Just wait till these Kinect cameras get networked and become accessible to a variety of three-letter agencies. Doesn't even matter if Microsoft actually intends for people to be spied on, they will have made it all possible, and easy.

The most secure data is the data that doesn't get collected in the first place...

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Oh, how cute:

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Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. [...] and will always maintain a network connection.

Every Durango console will be sold with a new high-fidelity Kinect Sensor, which will be required for the system to operate [...] Active infrared illumination will provide high-quality monochrome images even in low ambient light conditions (!)


That's like straight from those b-movie sci fi flicks, where you always think how did the people let this s***hole scenario happen.

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The caprices of Babel's Tower have also put carmakers in trouble more than once :rolleyes: .

Wow, those are hysterical!



Freudian slip?

I like it how the new Xbox SDK installer uses the Matrix font.

Using footage from a movie about being a slave for machines from birth to death sets the mood quite nicely for Telescreen 720, don't you think?

That's a great catch there, you nailed it. :thumbup Really appropriate. I'm gonna whip up graphic thanks to your tip.

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To be fair, not ONLY car makers had these kind of hiccups:
http://www.businessn...ng-mishaps.html

Ikea has traditionally being one of the best at it, probably due to the Swedish being so "different" :unsure: , but sure while not everyone might know Thai:
http://www.businessi...thailand-2012-6

names like (just a few):
Anis, Dick, Fanny, Fartfull, Jerker, Lessebo might have raised an eyebrow or two....

SCOOP! :yes: ever thought of feeding "Windows 8" in an Ikea Name Generator? :unsure:

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Echoes of what we said a couple of days ago:

Microsoft's cash-for-apps pitch to devs smells like desperation


Dubbed "Keep the Cash," the promotion is Microsoft's first overt cash-for-apps program, a tactic rivals Google and Apple have never used to attract submissions.

To one analyst, the $100-per-app pitch was an ill omen.

"It looks a little desperate," said Patrick Moorhead, principal analyst with Moor Insights & Strategy. "It sends the message that Microsoft is having a hard time building out its app categories. And it doesn't bode well for the Windows Store."


"Clearly, they'd like to populate the stores as quickly as possible with more apps," said Ezra Gottheil of Technology Business Research. "But it seems they want to try to pull in the 13-year-olds, because $100 is not at all meaningful to an established developer. Maybe they're looking for the next generation of kid geniuses, and hoping to find the next killer app that comes out of nowhere."


Miller wasn't keen on the idea of paying for apps. "I agree with Charlie [Kindel]," said Miller, talking about a blog post from September 2012 where Kindel said paying developers cash was a bad idea.

In that post, Kindel—until mid-2011 the general manager of Microsoft's Windows Phone developer experience—also predicted Microsoft would make the move.

"It is highly likely things are about to change and Microsoft is going to start directly incenting developers to build apps with cash," Kindel wrote at the time. "If I'm right, and we start to see clear evidence that Microsoft is paying for apps, then Windows is in even more trouble than most of us already believe."

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