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The Win8 adaption rate gets lower each month and is so much slower compared to Vista.

This is not really "good news" for a "supporter" of Vista :ph34r: .

The data can be read in terms of "diifferential interest" over the "previous OS" :whistle: .
Vista :ph34r: -> slow rate as perceived as not much an improvement over XP
7 -> fast rate as perceived as lots of improvements over Vista :ph34r:
8 -> slow rate as perceived as not much an improvement over 7

Though we all know how 7 is a further Service Pack to Vista :ph34r: actually bettering it and 8 is a further Service Pack actually MUCH worsening it (at least when it comes to interface).
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Great, a brainless device that's 100% dependent on a central computer somewhere. You as a little cog in a giant machine that keeps tabs on you as you passively accept whatever They deem it fit for you to see:

Well, as a matter of fact we have had this for years, it is called "television". :whistle:


The trouble (if I read the article right) is that this new device would be controlled by a single provider -- Amazon or whoever. At least with over-the-air TV you can tune to different channels from separate sources.

GeekWire reports that he and Gregory Hart have filed a patent for "remote displays" that would get data and power from a centrally located "primary station."


And then of course this new device would be monitoring us as we're watching it.

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Looks like even Neowin is slipping from the metrotards slowly but surely.

Look at this thread:

http://www.neowin.ne...hate-windows-8/

Lots of "haters". Had to laugh at this eightard comment:

http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__595610938

No, there's a difference between constructive criticism and what we get here on Neowin. I'm happy to discuss the good and bad points of Windows 8 in a constructive manner but I can't think of a single thread where that has actually happened. Just like this thread, the discussion instantly degenerates into moaning about perceived problems that are based on opinions presented as facts. Fake complaints such as the one about Windows 8 not working with a keyboard and mouse are discussed interminably alongside boring arguments about how hard it is to click on a tile. This site has just become an echo chamber for the haters.

This thread is about the fact that Windows 8 has more positive reviews than negative on Amazon and how that compares to other versions of Windows. Unfortunately that contradicts the arguments (and in some cases the agendas) of a number of people here and as a result they choose to discuss imaginary complaints instead. This thread isn't about constructive criticism, it's about drowning out dissenting opinion.


Wow, Neowin is turning into a W8-hate site? Are the shills on vacation?

By the way, Windows 8's Amazon page must be the shilliest on Amazon by far. A flood of three-sentence, five-star first time reviewers appears every time, when the right bar ("Most Recent Customer Reviews") is filled with negative reviews. That technique is known as burying.

Edited by Formfiller, 02 April 2013 - 01:51 PM.


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And then of course this new device would be monitoring us as we're watching it.


Yea, the telescreen is coming. Nice touch that even the power is controlled from a remote location. Yummy.

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The trouble (if I read the article right) is that this new device would be controlled by a single provider -- Amazon or whoever. At least with over-the-air TV you can tune to different channels from separate sources.

Well, this option/possibility is relatively recent in many countries, and I presume that it is still the "norm" in some :ph34r:
If you prefer it is a lot like a "back to the past".
To give you an example, in Italy (which has been a democracy since WW2) until the 1980's there were just three channels (all "national" i.e. controlled/provided by the government), actually only 1 between 1954 and 1961, 2 between 1961 and 1975, in 1975 the control passed from the government to the parliament, but from this to "plurality", especially related to News, it has been a looong way.

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ROFLCOPTER:

http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__595611294

>...but now she loves it and even defends it when her friends and/or family talk bad about the metro aspect of it lol.


the fact that this even comes up in conversations with friends and/or family means that Microsoft did it's job right. I have used windows since wayyyyy back when, and never have I had conversations with friends and family members about any other version other then 'yeah, check out the new OS'. Now, I have older family members asking specifics, what is really different, what about this boxes on the screen, etc.

Win, imo.


Pathetic. There were no conversations before because everybody was generally fine with it. Not so with W8 apparently. Having heated discussion about a Windows version with friends and family is a win? People being confused about the interface is a win?

Another gem from this chap:

http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__595611122

I think that the time will come when it will be forced upon folks. heck, look at all the technology changes that have been forced on folks beta, 8 track, vhs, old computer screens, atari joysticks paddles, yadda yadda legacy hardware that is obsolete and while you can dig it up in your parents or your basement in a box, doesn't mean it is still viable or able to really be used with today's technology (simple analogy, but sticks based on showing hardware changes).


Utter garbage. How were these technologies forced in the way metro in W8 is? Was VHS introduced by making all newer beta players suddenly work with VHS, and only playing VHS tapes flawlessly, while garbling the output when playing beta tapes? Because that's the way the metro/desktop split is done in W8.

And when all else fails:

http://www.neowin.ne...t__p__595612296

It is simpler than that. The majority of folks that claim they hate it or dislike it never really give specifics, or claim the way ONE app works, or the lack of a start menu (when the whole front page is the start menu built into the OS), kills all of the OS.

No one faults folks for not liking it, they fault the crazy ways they pick one small thing, or off the wall internet 'sky is falling' hatred that is obviously the product of a well honed anti-marketing campaign.


This always comes up as the last eightard resort. Battled enough of them on Channel9 and hardforum.com to know. After they get bombarded with W8 issues, they brush it off with "tl;dr" or just plain ignore it and continue to play the "no one is giving any valid reasons.." charade one week later. His last point (anti-marketing-campaign) is something I encounter quite often with MS employees when they talk about W8. "Biased press, they are all just haterz".

Edited by Formfiller, 02 April 2013 - 02:48 PM.


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It is simpler than that. The majority of folks that claim they hate it or dislike it never really give specifics, or claim the way ONE app works, or the lack of a start menu (when the whole front page is the start menu built into the OS), kills all of the OS.

No one faults folks for not liking it, they fault the crazy ways they pick one small thing, or off the wall internet 'sky is falling' hatred that is obviously the product of a well honed anti-marketing campaign.


This always comes up as the last eightard resort. Battled enough of them on Channel9 and hardforum.com to know. After they get bombarded with W8 issues, they brush it off with "tl;dr" or just plain ignore it and continue to play the "no one is giving any valid reasons.." charade one week later. His last point (anti-marketing-campaign) is something I encounter quite often with MS employees when they talk about W8. "Biased press, they are all just haterz".

This comment was particularly laughable. Reading through the bulk of these Windows 8 debates, reality is almost exactly the opposite: the mass of pro-Win8 comments are of the "it's new and cool and you're just a hater" type, whereas the anti-Win8 comments tend to be more specific and reasoned. There are exceptions on both sides of course, but IMO any kind of objective evaluation of a random sample of comments would show this to be the case. That's why over here the Win8 fans have been tagged as children even if they're not -- because childish are the type of "arguments" they offer.

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By the way, Windows 8's Amazon page must be the shilliest on Amazon by far. A flood of three-sentence, five-star first time reviewers appears every time, when the right bar ("Most Recent Customer Reviews") is filled with negative reviews. That technique is known as burying.

Interesting, I hadn't heard that term.

And the observation about those three-sentence "reviews" goes to what you were saying that I commented on in the post just above this one, about the standard of thinking that all-too-often goes into Win8 fandom.

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A generally pro-Windows 8 but fair commentary that makes some good points and offers some hope for the Desktop's future:

Windows Blue won't be the end of the Desktop UI

In recent years we have seen the over-consumerization of computers, in particular the shift from desktop PCs to tablets and other portable devices. Everything seems to be all about mobile today. But is mobile and touch the future of computers ?


...it's obvious that many consumers used a tool which they barely knew anything about. Having been a computer consultant and programmer for so long, time after time I find myself again and again suggesting to consumers I deal with that maybe they should buy a book about Windows and learn a little more about and what the software can do.

I realized the average consumer bought something he or she didn't fully utilize -- the PC exceeded need. Then along came MP3 players, smartphones and tablets. Consumers didn't need a keyboard, they simply touched the device. They didn't have to learn all the complexities of a full blown PC. Finally, people started buying what they wanted all along. Something designed to do a specific task, and that is it.

I do think this -- that PCs are too complex for many users who simply want to surf the Web and check their e-mail. That' i what tablets are for and one reason they've become so popular.

What I object to is being compelled to deal with an interface that I find both esthetically abhorrent and functionally inferior because Microsoft wants to appeal to such simplistic uses. Give me the choice, upon the first boot of a new device, to decide which UI to live in -- and if I choose the Desktop, then banish the Modern UI from my PC completely: I do not want to be assaulted by this abomination every time I want to launch a new program.

So, for consumers, maybe Windows could do away with the Desktop. But as far as businesses are concerned, to do away with the Desktop could mean the loss of millions, if not billions of dollars. But wouldn't Microsoft recognize this? I can't speak for the company, but I venture a guess of yes. So how does one create a totally new operating system that solves the needs of the consumer, while satisfying the needs of businesses? The answer, merge a new operating system into the existing one and have the best of both worlds. That is what Windows 8 does.

Never underestimate the capacity of a company that's strongly placed in a market, to be contemptuous of its customers and ignore their firmly and clearly stated preferences. I remember Blockbusters used to tout this "3-day rental" policy, where it turned out that if you rented a video at, say, 10PM Wednesday night, it was due back by noon on Friday -- on the brilliant theory that 10PM to midnight on Wednesday was "one" day, then Thursday was another day, and midnight to noon on Friday was a "third" day. You could have the video for barely a day and a half and that would be considered "3 days" when, practically speaking, there was only one day when you could watch it (the middle day).

What keeps organizations in line is the marketplace, the possibility of failure -- which needs to be allowed to occur. Blockbusters' idiotic, bullying policy helped to alienate its customers and they started looking for alternatives. Eventually management rescinded that policy, but by then the dam was collapsing and it was too late to stop it from emptying out. They might even still be in business today had they not been such nearsighted, arrogant morons -- at worst it would have bought them time to establish a solid foothold in the fast-growing streaming market before Netflix claimed it. Today they have a presence there but nobody knows or cares about it.

That aside, the writer of the linked piece evidently has an appreciation of business and, I believe, can come to understand that ultimately the Desktop and Modern UI's must be split from each other such that the twain shall never meet. The Desktop is clearly a second-class citizen in the Windows 8 world, and its users are never allowed to forget it. Metro gets in the way repeatedly to shock the senses and slow things down, both functionally and psychologically. Business users must ultimately get "our own" OS. Whether down the road that OS will be Windows, is up to Microsoft to decide. I'm not holding my breath.

--JorgeA

EDIT: tweaks

Edited by JorgeA, 02 April 2013 - 11:22 PM.


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Ah, I'm sorry for being so off-topic lately but someone mentioned Blockbuster and idiocy and I just have to comment.

Years ago, Blockbuster charged $4.02 for rentals where I lived. Of course they'd most often be paid in whole dollars because in everyone's heads the cost was an even $4. Naturally, Blockbuster wanted exact change. They posted a series of signage, becoming progressively louder and aggressive, which just became comical. Why didn't they just eat the 2 cents? It's not even 1%. Or charge $4.25? I doubt anyone would have cared that much.

And that "3-day" policy was BS. For a lot of people, the act of fetching the movie precluded actually watching it so the next day was the only realistic time to watch. The $1 rewind charge was crap, too, because they'd charge you but wouldn't rewind the tapes. Joke was on them since I bought a high-speed dedicated rewinder, the same they used in the store (or were supposed to). The thing about them, though, is they didn't respect the stopping point recognized by VCRs so it would slam pretty hard at the absolute end of the tape. Sometimes, the tape would just break. A screwdriver and some Scotch tape would fix it, of course, but I rarely felt so generous. I did tell them that the tape broke so that I wasn't screwing the next innocent renter. Once they threatened to charge me $80 for a replacement tape and I diffused the situation by asking them if they really thought they were getting $80 out of me.

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Bing gets in on the foolery, mocks Google ( NeoWin 2013-04-01)

April Fools by Fools. :lol: So on April 1st, they set up Bing so that if you type in "Google" into the search field, the Bing page changes into a Google-like display, the Bing logo looks like Google's, and the page has little boxes containing digs at their competition. So I took a look at all the boxes, and sure enough their criticism is much more sensibly applied right back at Microsoft instead. It's bad enough that on a normal day Bing is practically a visual clone of Google anyway, but on this day while trying to poke fun at Google, they may as well be talking about Windows 8 Metro. Here is a self-contained infographic that explains all ...

Spoiler

Information density is not really a feature of Metro. I mean, "Hypocrisy" doesn't quite cover it, does it? :lol:

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ROFLCOPTER:

>...but now she loves it and even defends it when her friends and/or family talk bad about the metro aspect of it lol.

the fact that this even comes up in conversations with friends and/or family means that Microsoft did it's job right. I have used windows since wayyyyy back when, and never have I had conversations with friends and family members about any other version other then 'yeah, check out the new OS'. Now, I have older family members asking specifics, what is really different, what about this boxes on the screen, etc.

Win, imo.

Yep, we don't call them MicroZombies and MetroTards for nothing. Speaking of Zombies, this stuff just writes itself. I find it hysterical that Microsoft chose to latch onto the Walking Dead TV show. Beginning and end of the campaign ...

Windows 8 used by zombie in Walking Dead TV ad ( NeoWin 2012-10-15 )

The Walking Dead Windows 8 TV ad storyline to finally conclude Sunday ( NeoWin 2013-03-28 )

Life imitating Art imitating Life imitating Art ...

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Source: Microsoft Windows 8 commercials, NOT the TV show!


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By the way, Windows 8's Amazon page must be the shilliest on Amazon by far. A flood of three-sentence, five-star first time reviewers appears every time, when the right bar ("Most Recent Customer Reviews") is filled with negative reviews. That technique is known as burying.

Interesting, I hadn't heard that term.

And the observation about those three-sentence "reviews" goes to what you were saying that I commented on in the post just above this one, about the standard of thinking that all-too-often goes into Win8 fandom.

--JorgeA


"Burying" is a standard tactic. Watch the W8 Amazon page and you will notice that pattern. It seems to be very popular by marketers ("shills").

Here's an interesting text showing some techniques in that vein:

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

It claims to be a top secret governmental document or something (conspiracies and stuff). I don't buy that. But it illustrates many used methods to control forums, review pages etc that I've noticed myself. I guess it was written by some internet-marketer with humor and background knowledge.

Excerpts:


Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.


This is essentially the burying technique.

Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

...

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.


This can be also very often seen by metrotards. Their "no one gives any valid reason to hate W8"-charade. Even if you bombard them with pages-long issues and links and stuff, they stay cool and continue to tout their 60-Million licenses sold number.

Edited by Formfiller, 03 April 2013 - 04:39 AM.


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Touchtards are quick to anger:

http://hardforum.com...22&postcount=29

Very funny outburst.

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Hal Berenson, former MS employee, writes:

http://hal2020.com/2...dows-blue-buzz/

I find two topics coming out of the blogosphere rather bizarre. The first was an expectation by some that Microsoft would abandon Modern and return to the classic desktop. This is bizarre because it would mean a decision to turn Windows into a pure legacy offering with a slow death ahead of it. But hey, the 5% of the overall user population who are in the “desktop is the future” camp would have been happy. Anyway, there was not a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening. Microsoft may want to provide a solution optimized for the 5% for years or decades to come, but that isn’t the future for the other 95%. The right answer for the 95% is to rapidly evolve Modern to meet their needs.

The other side of this bizarre coin is those claiming that Microsoft would abandon the desktop by Windows 9. I’ve pointed out that the move away from the desktop is a 5-10 year evolution. Many other observers thing it is well over 10 years. Windows 9 would be only two years into that cycle. David Vaskevitch used to point out that people tend to overestimate the amount of change that is possible in 2 years and underestimate the amount of change that will occur in 10 years. Once again I think he’s right.


Given that he has ties with MS yada yada, I guess that's indeed how they view their 95% deskop marketshare: as 5% legacy hurdles, standing in the way and blocking the glorious metro future.

Follow up:

http://hal2020.com/2...n/#comment-8192

Commenters call on his BS, and his response is absolutely pathetic (AutoCAD on tablets...). Given that all that he's written so far jives with Microsoft's policy quite well, MS seems to have completely lost it.

It's Angry Birds or bust apparently.

Edited by Formfiller, 03 April 2013 - 06:42 AM.


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Ah, I'm sorry for being so off-topic lately but someone mentioned Blockbuster and idiocy and I just have to comment.

Years ago, Blockbuster charged $4.02 for rentals where I lived. Of course they'd most often be paid in whole dollars because in everyone's heads the cost was an even $4. Naturally, Blockbuster wanted exact change. They posted a series of signage, becoming progressively louder and aggressive, which just became comical. Why didn't they just eat the 2 cents? It's not even 1%. Or charge $4.25? I doubt anyone would have cared that much.

And that "3-day" policy was BS. For a lot of people, the act of fetching the movie precluded actually watching it so the next day was the only realistic time to watch. The $1 rewind charge was crap, too, because they'd charge you but wouldn't rewind the tapes. Joke was on them since I bought a high-speed dedicated rewinder, the same they used in the store (or were supposed to). The thing about them, though, is they didn't respect the stopping point recognized by VCRs so it would slam pretty hard at the absolute end of the tape. Sometimes, the tape would just break. A screwdriver and some Scotch tape would fix it, of course, but I rarely felt so generous. I did tell them that the tape broke so that I wasn't screwing the next innocent renter. Once they threatened to charge me $80 for a replacement tape and I diffused the situation by asking them if they really thought they were getting $80 out of me.

That somebody was me. :)

The policy you describe fits right in with what I was saying. Why make things fast and convenient for your customers when there's an extra $0.02 to charge them? Just eat the cost, tell your customers about it -- use those informational posters positively instead of negatively -- and they'll love you for it. A classic case of "penny wise, pound foolish."

In our case, I stopped going to Blockbusters for several years, until I heard through the grapevine that they had fixed their ridiculous 1.5-day rental policy. But by then we'd discovered the cable company's On Demand service, and our trips to the video store after we started going back were never as frequent as before we stopped.

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"Burying" is a standard tactic. Watch the W8 Amazon page and you will notice that pattern. It seems to be very popular by marketers ("shills").

Here's an interesting text showing some techniques in that vein:

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

It claims to be a top secret governmental document or something (conspiracies and stuff). I don't buy that. But it illustrates many used methods to control forums, review pages etc that I've noticed myself. I guess it was written by some internet-marketer with humor and background knowledge.

Excerpts:


Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.


This is essentially the burying technique.

Thanks very much for the explanation, that was illuminating. I'll keep an eye out for the technique in practice during my Web travels.


Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

...

Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.


This can be also very often seen by metrotards. Their "no one gives any valid reason to hate W8"-charade. Even if you bombard them with pages-long issues and links and stuff, they stay cool and continue to tout their 60-Million licenses sold number.

Wow, I recognize these sorts of tactics from the political gangsters who run my native country (and the 'tards who defend them overseas). Offer blatant falsehoods as if they were fact, and demand a standard of proof from the other side that you would never apply to your own.

The head-scratcher is that this is a commercial product we're talking about here in this thread, not a political ideology. You wouldn't think it could arouse such fanatical commitment. :huh: But there you are.

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EDIT: typo

Edited by JorgeA, 03 April 2013 - 08:14 AM.


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That's very funny! :thumbup

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That zombie image is spot on. We are witnessing the greatest technological regression since a long time, maybe ever. I get sick hearing from the pundits the claim that the forced touchiness is the same as the transition to GUI from CLI, utter garbage.

The new paradigm gives less functionality, is far harder to use (try to stretch your arms for a belonged time), needs far more maintenance (cleaning screens from fingerprints constantly), and is a health nightmare in the making (gorilla arm). Seriously, it inverts all the health cautionary warnings and recommendation for the office workplace. Then of course the loss of empowerment by the forced accompanying appstores, with no sensible sideloading most of the time. It's tech from hell!

I really wonder what's going in the mind of these darn ABMers (anything but mouse) promoting this garbage as the future of all computing, consumer and work alike. BS. Were they bitten by mice in the a** when they were children or something, and we have to suffer because of their traumas? Even the Minority Report interface they are always wetting their pants about is garbage in reality. Watch that scene again - it looks cool, but every cop would prefer a desktop computer after two days of standing around and twisting your arm like a retard all time.

Sorry for the strong language, needed to shout off.

Edited by Formfiller, 03 April 2013 - 11:04 AM.


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Microsoft playing with Windows...

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Microsoft playing with Windows...

Hits the nail on the head. :thumbup

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The end for Windows RT?

Microsoft finally approves cheap 7- and 8-inch Windows 8 tablets, might merge Windows RT with Blue


It has taken almost six months, but Microsoft has finally given the green light to low-resolution (1024×768), 7- and 8-inch Windows 8 tablets. In related news, Microsoft’s Windows RT woes continue, with a supply chain rumor that RT will be merged with Blue, due to an almost complete lack of consumer interest. Both of these stories highlight just how poorly Microsoft is doing in the tablet market — which, if we factor in Windows Phone’s continued apathy, and the steady decline of the desktop PC market, is a rather big issue.


If the upstream supply chain is to be believed, Microsoft will retire the Windows RT brand and merge it with Windows Blue — the upcoming service/feature pack for Windows 8. According to the source, general confusion around what Windows RT actually is, and Microsoft failing to communicate the differences between the ARM and x86 editions of Windows, has “significantly damaged demand” for Windows RT. This seems to jibe with Samsung’s move to not launch a Windows RT tablet in the US and to pull its Windows RT tablet out of several European markets citing a lack of demand.

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I hate Google and Apple but in this case I rather cheer for their tablet success over winblows 8 tablets

from new leaked build screen shots I see MS doing nothing to improve the product
but rather continuing blindly to metro crap push

Edited by vinifera, 03 April 2013 - 03:43 PM.

If you want true Windows user experience
try Longhorn builds: 3718, 4029, 4066

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You've got to admit it's quite funny how many new haters for themselves they have created in such a short time.

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It's Angry Birds or bust apparently.


Yep. :yes: Let's see what the MetroTards are spending their parents' money on, shall we ...

Fruit Ninja currently the number one downloaded paid Windows 8 app ( NeoWin 2013-04-03 )


01. Fruit Ninja ($1.99)
02. Disney Fairies Hidden Treasures ($4.99)
03. Angry Birds Star Wars ($4.99)
04. Rayman Jungle Run ($2.99)
05. Plex ($2.99)
06. Big Buck Hunter ($4.99)
07. Angry Birds Space ($4.99)
08. My Media Center ($4.99)
09. Royal Envoy 2: Special Edition ($3.99)
10. Zoo Train ($1.99)


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P.S. Formfiller, feel free to post that Zombie image ( or any of them ) in those hostile forums, if they'll let you :lol:

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