[JorgeA]

HeavyHemi, on 23 November 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

Or call it Apple Computer....come on how about a little iChuckle?

HeavyHemi, on 23 November 2012 - 02:31 AM, said:

I'm not sure I'd call Staples a 'big-box electronics retailer'

Well, it IS a big-box retailer (at least around here), and it's also an electronics retailer, therefore...

--JorgeA

[MagicAndre1981]

*lol*

Upstream supply chain sees Surface RT orders cut by half
http://www.digitimes...21128PD215.html

Looks like the users are not so excited about the Surface (RT)

[jaclaz]

Anyone can multiply a "mere" 2,000,000 units reduction (in a two month expected timeframe) by rough unit sell price of US$ 500.00 and plot the trend for 2013?

jaclaz

[vinifera]

now came story (well not "now", bit its a recent buzz) of Windows Blue which would kill win8 metro apps (lolz), and only support apps for itself
and that this thing will be upgrade after 1 year passes that will include UI changes too

so tell me how is worthable to even buy garbage of 8 when new upgrade comes in 1 year and will destroy all worth of "8" ?

[JorgeA]

jaclaz, on 29 November 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Anyone can multiply a "mere" 2,000,000 units reduction (in a two month expected timeframe) by rough unit sell price of US$ 500.00 and plot the trend for 2013?

And it's not just Surface RT tablets. Windows 8 has been out for less than five weeks. I can report (and speaking of Staples) that I'm already receiving ads for clearance sales on Win8 laptops by HP and Toshiba.

Maybe (just maybe) customers are driven away by those hideous purple Start Screens that they've stuck on (seemingly) every display model and advertisement.

--JorgeA

[Tripredacus]

JorgeA, on 30 November 2012 - 12:45 AM, said:

jaclaz, on 29 November 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Anyone can multiply a "mere" 2,000,000 units reduction (in a two month expected timeframe) by rough unit sell price of US$ 500.00 and plot the trend for 2013?

And it's not just Surface RT tablets. Windows 8 has been out for less than five weeks. I can report (and speaking of Staples) that I'm already receiving ads for clearance sales on Win8 laptops by HP and Toshiba.

Maybe (just maybe) customers are driven away by those hideous purple Start Screens that they've stuck on (seemingly) every display model and advertisement.

--JorgeA

I am waiting for when I can't use my two hands to count the number of Windows 8 licenses that have been sold since GA.

[jaclaz]

Tripredacus, on 30 November 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

I am waiting for when I can't use my two hands to count the number of Windows 8 licenses that have been sold since GA.

I am by far more flexible than you and I am prepared to take my shoes off , but though increasing by 100% the capability of the counter , I doubt it makes a big difference in absolute terms....

jaclaz

[JorgeA]

Some early sales reporting:

Early Windows 8 sales numbers are cheered and jeered by pundits
Windows 8 Touchscreen Laptops See Slow Start
Microsoft: Nomura Trims Ests On Soft Win 8 Debut
Windows 8: Does its 1-month report card read pass or fail?
Windows 8's early uptake trumps Vista's
Windows 8 PC orders weak, says analyst
Windows 8 uptake remains listless after public launch

Paul Thurrott: Windows 8 Sales Well Below Projections, Plenty of Blame to Go Around

Quote

Microsoft blames the PC makers. My source cited to me the PC makers’ “inability to deliver,” a damning indictment that I think nicely explains why the firm felt it needed to start making its own PC and device hardware.

Now, that's a good one!
It's like an author blaming the book publisher because the cover doesn't make up for the cr*ppy writing inside.

And one more piece on the user interface:
The Windows 8 UI: How do interface and usability experts rate all the changes?

--JorgeA

This post has been edited by JorgeA: 30 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

[jaclaz]

JorgeA, on 30 November 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

It's like an author blaming the book publisher because the cover doesn't make up for the cr*ppy writing inside.

Not really, it's more like an editor blaming the printing company for not delivering the copies so that it cannot sell them (but wait , if the issue is with the printing company not able to deliver enough copies on time, it means that there is demand for the book... ).

More loosely, in a business if you have an "internal projection" saying that you are going to sell (say) 1,000,000 pieces in first three months you should make d@mn sure - in theory - and after having verified the reliability of the projection - to have 1,000,000 pieces ( + or - 50,000 pieces or whatever is the confidence interval of the projection) ready over that period.

OR (an alternative) the projections are completely wrong.

In both cases, *someone* has f***ed up BIG *somewhere*.


The bull**it about the ongoing world crisis is exactly that, it is not like you had plans to launch your brand new product on in late October 1929 and suddenly ....

Spoiler

jaclaz

[CoffeeFiend]

In other news, while MS lies with numbers about their 40M licenses sold, it's well known that those sales aren't reflected in user statistics. NetApplications shows Win8 still under 1% for November, despite the Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales. Yep, most of those 40M licenses sold are certainly sold to large OEMs for the next year worth of sales (which OEMs like Acer and ASUS are saying there is no demand for it), likely counting licenses given away to software assurance customers (who won't use 'em), those sitting on shelves of retailers like newegg (who also reported low demand) and so on. And they've even cutting the Surface expectations and sales in half. It's definitely not 40M users, and this say nothing about these users even wanting Win8 in the first place or their satisfaction with it.

But that doesn't prevent easily distracted rabid fanboys from claiming that there's high demand and thikning that there's 40M happy users of that crappy tablet OS on their desktop.

In other news, people are saying that the Surface Pro will be very expensive and have poor battery life compared to all other tablets (iPad, Android, etc). I'd have to say this is kinda obvious, and it definitely won't make a dent in iPad sales. Best case scenario for MS, it'll just eat into their already poor Ultrabook sales

[jaclaz]

CoffeeFiend, on 01 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

In other news, people are saying that the Surface Pro will be very expensive and have poor battery life compared to all other tablets (iPad, Android, etc). I'd have to say this is kinda obvious, and it definitely won't make a dent in iPad sales. Best case scenario for MS, it'll just eat into their already poor Ultrabook sales

Cannot say about battery life but anything between 900 and 1,000 bucks can get me TWO more than decent laptops, possibly THREE of them ....
http://www.pcworld.c...899-and-up.html
so I doubt that many "businesses" will choose to spend more to have a "compatible tablet".

jaclaz

[CoffeeFiend]

jaclaz, on 01 December 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Cannot say about battery life but anything between 900 and 1,000 bucks can get me TWO more than decent laptops, possibly THREE of them ....

...or a basic iPad that's actually a good tablet (or a very decent Android tablet if you prefer) with tons of good apps meant for touch (unlike Win8 whose only good apps are desktop apps, which suck on a tablet) and has good battery life, and a half decent laptop to go with it (which is better to write Office docs and email than with Surface anyway). Surface Pro is just a bad compromise of the two, much like Win8 is a bad compromise between a desktop and a tablet OS, failing miserably at both (but more so on the desktop side)

It's like if Honda decided to stop selling motorbikes and cars, only providing a 3-wheeled car but that drives with handlebars as their "no compromise" solution

[jaclaz]

CoffeeFiend, on 01 December 2012 - 10:12 AM, said:

It's like if Honda decided to stop selling motorbikes and cars, only providing a 3-wheeled car but that drives with handlebars as their "no compromise" solution

Yep, and when making three wheeled cars there are - as always - two ways to do them, the "wrong" way (as the one depicted in the picture you posted):
http://en.wikipedia....heeler#Two_rear
and the "right" way:
http://en.wikipedia....eeler#Two_front
See, as an example, some recent ones:
http://www.diseno-ar...eeled-vehicles/
(the "carver" being the only exception - gone to bankruptcy - that confirms the rule)

Now, think a bit about which design would Mrs. Larson-Green would choose (and Mr. Ballmer would say that is the one preferred by users)

Spoiler

jaclaz

[CoffeeFiend]

jaclaz, on 01 December 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

Now, think a bit about which design would Mrs. Larson-Green would choose (and Mr. Ballmer would say that is the one preferred by users)

Like I said, it wouldn't be just the wrong design, but I'd expect it to have the controls of the motorbike (handlebars and all), not having the freedom or fuel economy of the bike, nor the comfort, stability or security of the car either. Win8 is one of those that manages to get the worst of both worlds: it really sucks on the desktop (it feels primarily as a tablet OS), and all the the useful software is for a desktop (and as such sucks on a tablet), the battery life of a laptop, and the price of both combined... It just doesn't work at any level.

By the way, I'm now the proud owner of a brand new iPad 4 (with Retina Display, just the 16GB model though).

[jaclaz]

CoffeeFiend, on 02 December 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

By the way, I'm now the proud owner of a brand new iPad 4 (with Retina Display, just the 16GB model though).

Traitor!

I casually found this emoticon, that may be of use :



jaclaz

[CoffeeFiend]

jaclaz, on 02 December 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Traitor!

Yep! But it was Redmond that abandoned us first, that makes them the real traitors They made me buy my Mac Mini first (our 3 Win 7 PCs are our main computers still) and now an iPad.

jaclaz, on 02 December 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

I casually found this emoticon, that may be of use :

Nice! I can see lots more people doing just like me, and it's Ballmer & Sinofsky who are to blame for all this.

Edit: I'm also buying the kids a 32GB iPod Touch for xmas... I can see why Apple is making so much money!

Microsoft is trying to turn themselves into Apple, and all it's doing is driving customer interest away from them and towards Apple. Well done Mr Ballmer!

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

jaclaz, on 02 December 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

I casually found this emoticon, that may be of use :

Darn, if only that was the Windows 8 blue window pane thing instead of the Windows XP flag it would be perfect. I would never choose Apple over Windows XP or earlier.

[Tripredacus]

CoffeeFiend, on 01 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Yep, most of those 40M licenses sold are certainly sold to large OEMs for the next year worth of sales (which OEMs like Acer and ASUS are saying there is no demand for it)

This was true with previous versions of Windows. Microsoft has changed how licenses to OEMs are distributed. Instead of ordering in bulk lots, license is purchased by an OEM on a per install basis. This change in how the OEM license works would mean that the figures should be lower, not higher. But another important thing to note is that Downgrade Rights sales would definately count, even if the end result is that an end user received a PC with Windows 7 installed on it. It is possible that they are counting at least those 2 million Surface tablets...

[CoffeeFiend]

Tripredacus, on 03 December 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Microsoft has changed how licenses to OEMs are distributed. Instead of ordering in bulk lots, license is purchased by an OEM on a per install basis.

That might be the case for smaller OEMs but I don't see Dell writing a purchase order for each and every single PC they have to activate. Then again, that's only a matter of accounting and it's very likely that this is how they proceeded. Just my $0.02 but we'll never know the truth, or actual relevant numbers, like how many satisfied customers they have who actually wanted it on their desktop in the first place.

[JorgeA]

Tripredacus, on 03 December 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

CoffeeFiend, on 01 December 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Yep, most of those 40M licenses sold are certainly sold to large OEMs for the next year worth of sales (which OEMs like Acer and ASUS are saying there is no demand for it)

This was true with previous versions of Windows. Microsoft has changed how licenses to OEMs are distributed. Instead of ordering in bulk lots, license is purchased by an OEM on a per install basis. This change in how the OEM license works would mean that the figures should be lower, not higher. But another important thing to note is that Downgrade Rights sales would definately count, even if the end result is that an end user received a PC with Windows 7 installed on it. It is possible that they are counting at least those 2 million Surface tablets...

Wouldn't this suggest, then, that 40 million retail copies + individual OEM installs have been sold? (Assuming that the 40 million figure is accurate.)

--JorgeA