[JorgeA]

MagicAndre1981, on 22 December 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Very well done, this demonstration. Best critique I've seen of the Win8 experience.

That weird thing about the Control Panel showing up under Desktop in Explorer, also happens in XP, Vista, and 7 -- I just checked. It's just that we never had any reason to go looking for the Control Panel because up till now it was so easy to get to it via that hokey, obsolete, old-fashioned Start Menu.

Check out the same guy's follow-up video that comes up as a choice when this one ends. It's even more frustrating: by the time the video ended, I too wanted to throw the stupid Win8 laptop out the window! See how Metro apps seem to randomly pop back in and totally take over the guy's screen while he's trying to do something else.

--JorgeA

[vinifera]

JorgeA, on 23 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Very well done, this demonstration. Best critique I've seen of the Win8 experience.

best indeed, if he'd gone more into detail of metro crappyness it would've been better

the ending also shows how worse things have become of PC industry
in past you could buy PC with free dos (atleast in my country)
these days you can't, all win 8 crap is pre-installed and forced on

so basically who ever buys PC, has to pay for win 8 licence, and then if available NEW licence for another Win OS to downgrade

I just hope MS gets blown in the face this time, much more than with vista fiasco
they don't deserve to get money with this kind of "product"

This post has been edited by vinifera: 23 December 2012 - 05:53 PM

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

Windows 8 sales are still [insert your own negative word here] ( NeoWin 2012-12-24 )

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There are two reasons why Windows 8 might not be selling well:

• PC sales are on the decline, with tablet sales on the increase
  
• Windows 8 is a very new experience from a user interface perspective

Well it's not Microsoft's fault all the consumer wanted, when they walked into the store, was a tablet.

See, here's the thing. This is Microsoft''s fault. Here's why ... Knowing that the PC desktop ( and laptop perhaps ) market is saturated ( it took 30 years to get here ), and knowing that sales are flat at least for a while, what you DO NOT do is to give the customer a reason not to buy a computer.

It is simple. When the market is shaky because of the fad or trend of smaller devices *and* you are in an extremely bad economy ( that's two clear strikes that even Stevie Wonder Ballmer should be able to see ) you do not take a third strike by voluntarily attacking Windows itself with the most controversial and regressive step back we have yet seen. It was suicide from the beginning, we have said as much a thousand comments ago.

I cannot bring myself to feel any pity for them now. They deserve the breadth of this epic fail. In fact, it is necessary to guarantee the future of the x86 universe and also to prevent the devolution of Microsoft into MicroApple.

BTW, that is the article title as it appears. It of course upsets the mSheep ...

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Random MicroZombie ... you are pretty low to title this article like that. Pretty low; scumbag low. You would be journalist. That isn't professionalism at all.

Ooooh, someone is butt-hurt. Children, you gotta love 'em.

[jaclaz]

Probably not what Mr. Ballmer expected from Consumer Report:
http://news.consumer...-7-for-now.html

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You might be better off getting a Windows 7 computer for now, waiting for the dust to settle, and upgrading to Windows 8 later.

For NO apparent reason:

Spoiler

jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 24 December 2012 - 07:55 AM

[JorgeA]

vinifera, on 23 December 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

JorgeA, on 23 December 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

Very well done, this demonstration. Best critique I've seen of the Win8 experience.

best indeed, if he'd gone more into detail of metro crappyness it would've been better

the ending also shows how worse things have become of PC industry
in past you could buy PC with free dos (atleast in my country)
these days you can't, all win 8 crap is pre-installed and forced on

so basically who ever buys PC, has to pay for win 8 licence, and then if available NEW licence for another Win OS to downgrade

I just hope MS gets blown in the face this time, much more than with vista fiasco
they don't deserve to get money with this kind of "product"

Time will tell, although early indicators for a Win8 fail are encouraging.

Regarding Metro crappiness. does this video by the same guy do the trick:



This is the one where I said I was ready to throw the laptop out the window, even though it wasn't even my laptop, but only a video!

--JorgeA

This post has been edited by JorgeA: 24 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

[vinifera]

haha epic video !

[JorgeA]

Paul Thurrott reports a continuing "lag" in sales of Windows 8 PCs, relative to Windows 7 last year. But check out the new excuse:

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NPD claims a new culprit in this shortfall: Low-cost netbooks did “incalculable” damage to the PC industry and destroyed the high-end mobile market that Windows 8 now targets.

Gimme a break -- netbooks were way overpriced for what they were (and still more expensive than some of those alternative tablets). A likelier explanation is found deeper into the article:

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Microsoft should be credited for moving Windows quickly into the world of multi-touch tablets with Windows 8. But because consumers are now trained to expect low-cost devices, they are purchasing low-cost multi-touch tablets that don’t run Windows and low-cost Windows PCs which don’t offer multi-touch capabilities.

In other words, Microsoft is completely missing the mark.

--JorgeA

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

Sorry, Windows Blue won't bring back the Start button ( NeoWin 2012-12-27 )

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This should not come as a surprise as Microsoft would have a massive egg on it's face if it did cave to users requests to return the iconic button.

How about that for a crystal clear glimpse into the mSheep mindset. Listening to the customer means egg on the face!




EDIT: updated image URL, and again

This post has been edited by CharlotteTheHarlot: 06 May 2013 - 07:52 AM

[bphlpt]

For those that are absolutely forced into using Win 8, watching this video should be mandatory.

Learn Windows 8 in 3 minutes (OK, it's really 4)



If you watch this Win 8 will be much less frustrating. Don't get me wrong, it still sucks, I still hate it, and I disagree with many/most of the design choices, but at least it's now almost marginally usable.

Cheers and Regards

[jaclaz]

@CharlotteTheHarlot
Re: facepalm
You are missing the point completely

Spoiler

jaclaz

[Kelsenellenelvian]

I have been watching these videos and am COMPLETELY astounded at the extreme learning curve it takes to figure that POS out.

I mean seriously NO video tuts from MS? NO world-wide classes?

I wonder what sh*t is in there people haven't even found yet...

I am not relearning a OS just to have to get a metric crapload of extra files\programs to do the simplest of things. (LIKE PLAY A FRIGGIN DVD!!!!)

[Tripredacus]

Kelsenellenelvian, on 28 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I mean seriously NO video tuts from MS? NO world-wide classes?

This was brought up earlier. Even Windows 95 to XP has a "how to use movie" when it booted. Well in that "welcome" screen that would appear you could find out how to use Windows.

[JorgeA]

Tripredacus, on 28 December 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

Kelsenellenelvian, on 28 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I mean seriously NO video tuts from MS? NO world-wide classes?

This was brought up earlier. Even Windows 95 to XP has a "how to use movie" when it booted. Well in that "welcome" screen that would appear you could find out how to use Windows.

At bootup my Vista machines have the Welcome Center, too, where you can watch demos and mouse around to learn about the shiny new OS.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

Thurrott's "Fixing Windows 8" series is up to Part 5. His approach to Windows 8 does seem to have taken another turn for the better:

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The Windows 8 Start screen is fine on tablet devices, but is borderline useless to users of traditional PCs. Fortunately, a few simple fixes will make this crucial user interface better for all users.

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With these kinds of suggestions, there’s always some well-intentioned soul who mentions that they like things just the way they are. That’s nice. But as is generally the case with these “Fixing Windows 8” suggestions, what I’m really asking for is choice.

[emphasis added!]

This is very welcome, of course, but Paul doesn't seem to have put 2+2 together yet: if the OS warrants a multipart series on how to fix it, doesn't that tell us that there is something fundamentally wrong with the OS?

Still, Paul makes a lot of cogent observations and the series is well worth reading. Here (http://winsupersite....-metro-pro-apps) is a thought-provoking one:

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And while it will likely never be possible (or desirable) to expose as many commands in a Metro app as is possible on desktop application, if only because of the needs of touch-screen hit target sizes, surely some middle ground can be achieved.

But Paul has said (or predicted) that "the Desktop must die." If that is so, and if complex feature sets aren't suitable for Metro apps, then does that mean that we are doomed to a future of limited program functionality? Form should follow function -- but with Metro, function (or the lack thereof) follows form.

Oh, and check out the commenter in Part 5 who's already looking to sell his Surface...

--JorgeA

This post has been edited by JorgeA: 28 December 2012 - 09:28 AM

[jaclaz]

JorgeA, on 28 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

But Paul has said (or predicted) that "the Desktop must die." If that is so, and if complex feature sets aren't suitable for Metro apps, then does that mean that we are doomed to a future of limited program functionality? Form should follow function -- but with Metro, function (or the lack thereof) follows form.

Also WHY there are so many keyboard shortcuts (undocumented officially)?
NIce list here thanks to wimb:
http://reboot.pro/to...ddisk/?p=164975

jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 28 December 2012 - 10:37 AM

[JorgeA]

It sounds as though Microsoft isn't the only one infected with the compulsion to wreck a well-functoning UI, and that its own fanboys aren't the only ones afflicted by the attitude that there is one single optimal way for everyone:

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And what irritates me is how the gnome3 fanboys (and more importantly, developers), seem to never acknowledge that different people have different tastes. The whole "we know best" thing is a disease.

--JorgeA

[jaclaz]

JorgeA, on 28 December 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

It sounds as though Microsoft isn't the only one infected with the compulsion to wreck a well-functoning UI, and that its own fanboys aren't the only ones afflicted by the attitude that there is one single optimal way for everyone:

Sure , JFYI, I personally "abandoned" quite a few distro's the exact moment they became "gnome" only, as I personally prefer (and have always preferred) KDE (though what I actually use is blackbox and/or Enlightenment, even on Windows I use bblean on quite a few machines)

Also, not really "news", in the sense that Linus' perplexities (IMHO well justified) on Gnome date to at lest more than one year ago:
http://www.linuxjour...d-gnome-so-what

jaclaz

[JorgeA]

jaclaz, on 28 December 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

JorgeA, on 28 December 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

It sounds as though Microsoft isn't the only one infected with the compulsion to wreck a well-functoning UI, and that its own fanboys aren't the only ones afflicted by the attitude that there is one single optimal way for everyone:

Sure , JFYI, I personally "abandoned" quite a few distro's the exact moment they became "gnome" only, as I personally prefer (and have always preferred) KDE (though what I actually use is blackbox and/or Enlightenment, even on Windows I use bblean on quite a few machines)

Also, not really "news", in the sense that Linus' perplexities (IMHO well justified) on Gnome date to at lest more than one year ago:
http://www.linuxjour...d-gnome-so-what

jaclaz

Thanks for the article link, it provided good historical background, although I admit that despite looking into the matter I remain mystified by the conceptual differences (if any?) between a "UI," a "DE," and a "shell."

A couple of days ago I tried Fedora 17 and Linux Mint 13 off the live DVD that came with the "Genius Guide" Linux & Open Source magbook, volume 3. I didn't like either one. I'd have to get back into them to provide details, but as I remember one of them provided a taskbar but no way to put anything on it. Instead, you had to mouse up to the top left corner and click, or something like that, to bring up large thumbnails of the open windows. That may have been Linux Mint 13 -- come to think of it, I believe that it was Fedora 17 that looked so alien that I didn't even bother looking around.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

An extended review of the Surface RT. The writer wants to like it, but the device's limitations simply rule that out.

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I don’t enjoy being so dismissive of the Surface RT, but I guess I’m still struggling to see the value of a tablet. Yeah, touch is cool; and for doing things like surfing the web, scrolling through photos, and checking your e-mail it makes sense. But for tasks like building spread sheets, editing photos, and writing essays desktops and laptops are superior solutions. In the simplest sense the Surface RT, like all of the tablets that have come before it, is a content consumption device, not a content creation tool. And to that degree Surface RT can’t replace a traditional PC, only augment it.

--JorgeA

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

JorgeA, on 28 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

This is very welcome, of course, but Paul doesn't seem to have put 2+2 together yet: if the OS warrants a multipart series on how to fix it, doesn't that tell us that there is something fundamentally wrong with the OS?
--JorgeA

Excellent observation Jorge! I wonder how many people at those Thurrott threads can grasp it. And fanboy-in-chief Thurrott is again barely addressing the problems as usual.

Kelsenellenelvian, on 28 December 2012 - 04:35 AM, said:

I have been watching these videos and am COMPLETELY astounded at the extreme learning curve it takes to figure that POS out.

I mean seriously NO video tuts from MS? NO world-wide classes?

I know, the barebones tutorial is unbelievable as it is, but we learned it was INTENTIONAL! They dropped the mSheep into this thing like guinea pigs ...

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She adds that the lack of tutorials or detailed instructions on how to adjust to Windows 8—something that has attracted complaints—is a deliberate choice. Tests have shown that although people find tutorials “comforting,” they don’t retain much information from them, she says, making them a waste of time.

BTW, pOS is one of my favorite names offered by the community to help Microsoft replace Metro.

EDIT: added something else

This post has been edited by CharlotteTheHarlot: 29 December 2012 - 02:26 AM