[Win2k3EE]

Ups, sorry...

[Tripredacus]

CharlotteTheHarlot, on 14 February 2013 - 02:40 AM, said:

Office 2013 EULA says the software is bound to one PC forever ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

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If you purchased a retail edition of Office 2010, the end-user license agreement (EULA) permits you to install the software on up to two devices at once (a desktop and a laptop) and if you retire one or both of those systems, your license is transferable to new machines.

Neither of those permissions exist with Office 2013. Microsoft's updated EULA only lets you install the boxed editions on one computer, and only that computer -- forever.

Oh this is gonna go over like a ton of bricks. Hey if you don't like it, tough. Get Office 364. Go to the cloud! This is from TechSpot, it is not yet over at NeoWin. Looking forward to see the creative rationalizations from the MicroZealots.

I think I know why this was done. Those transfer terms exist in Office 365 and actually allow for installation on 4 computers and 5 devices. I can't find a copy of it online.

[jaclaz]

Tripredacus, on 14 February 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

I think I know why this was done.

Harass paying customers?

jaclaz

[JorgeA]

jaclaz, on 14 February 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:

Your quote is from the mentioned blog by Nadim Kobeissi:
http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78
seemingly from an earlier version, missing Update2 and Update3.

Update 3 makes things better from a privacy/security perspective, but Update 2 makes things worse.

Totally OT, but Nadim's page contains the following little Twitter tidbit and link:

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Today I learned that Italy’s stock exchange has a giant statue of a middle finger in front of it:

Spoiler

Is the picture real or photoshopped? I thought you might know...

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

CharlotteTheHarlot, on 14 February 2013 - 02:40 AM, said:

Office 2013 EULA says the software is bound to one PC forever ( TechSpot 2013-02-13 )

Quote

If you purchased a retail edition of Office 2010, the end-user license agreement (EULA) permits you to install the software on up to two devices at once (a desktop and a laptop) and if you retire one or both of those systems, your license is transferable to new machines.

Neither of those permissions exist with Office 2013. Microsoft's updated EULA only lets you install the boxed editions on one computer, and only that computer -- forever.

Oh this is gonna go over like a ton of bricks. Hey if you don't like it, tough. Get Office 364. Go to the cloud! This is from TechSpot, it is not yet over at NeoWin. Looking forward to see the creative rationalizations from the MicroZealots.

Another post chock-full of information! I'll keep to commenting on just one item (the one quoted above):

This news about Office 2013 reinforces my decision to stay away from it. And it increases my interest in eventually making the switch to SoftMaker (thanks, @Formfiller). Preliminary tests on my own machines suggest that it can indeed read and write to .DOCX files, including change tracking and comments, without a hitch. (I've yet to create a new file in SoftMaker and load it on MS Office.) Some time ago I reported on MSFN about how long it takes MS Word to load a large, complex document file (the time-to-load discussion starts in earnest on page 2). Even my Ivy Bridge PC takes almost two minutes to finish loading the test file. SoftMaker's word processor was totally ready in 16 seconds.

--JorgeA

[HalloweenDocument12]

Backward compatibility in consoles is a tricky thing. Since it is challenging, if not impossible, to be both cutting edge and backward compatible, there are basically only two methods to proceed, both of which have distinct disadvantages:

1. Recreate the hardware "guts" and include them in the new console. This has the disadvantage of significantly increasing unit cost but will be 100% compatible.

2. Build an emulator. Even a high-end PC can't handle accurately emulating any game console from the past 15 years, so what ends up happening is that the emulator is built around the 100 or so most popular games (plus spinoffs that use the same "engine") and for the rest the gamer is in no man's land. Even the "fully supported" games can suffer audio/visual glitches, game-crashing bugs, etc. just like the amateur emulators.

Personally, given the reality of the situation, I think most gamers would rather pay less for new the console and hook up the old one.

Microsoft's real mistake is not releasing a new console when they released Kinect. The XNA and used games scandals aren't helping, either. Before this console generation, gamers were accustomed to purchasing a new console every 3-5 years but because both Sony and Nintendo suffered their own drawn out decays, Microsoft decided to join in. Lazy.

[jaclaz]

JorgeA, on 14 February 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Is the picture real or photoshopped? I thought you might know...

Real , but not "persistent" :
http://online.wsj.co...1140034982.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-11474311
or maybe it is:
http://en.daringtodo...least-40-years/
let's say that s provisional for some 40 years.

You'll learn how often in Italy anything that is "temporary" becomes actually "perpetual" and anything that is "permanent" will be changed within a short period of times.

jaclaz

[JorgeA]

jaclaz, on 14 February 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You'll learn how often in Italy anything that is "temporary" becomes actually "perpetual" and anything that is "permanent" will be changed within a short period of times.

Sounds like what it would be like to live in a surrealistic film...

jaclaz, on 14 February 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

JorgeA, on 14 February 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Is the picture real or photoshopped? I thought you might know...

Real , but not "persistent" :
http://online.wsj.co...1140034982.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-11474311
or maybe it is:
http://en.daringtodo...least-40-years/
let's say that s provisional for some 40 years.

Amazing, just amazing.

Now, just to give this topic a connection to the thread -- can we take up a collection to move this monument to the entrance of Microsoft headquarters in Redmond? Or maybe they should make it part of their logo...

--JorgeA

[ciHnoN]

JorgeA, on 14 February 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

...
Now, just to give this topic a connection to the thread -- can we take up a collection to move this monument to the entrance of Microsoft headquarters in Redmond? Or maybe they should make it part of their logo...

--JorgeA

I think it would be very fitting in their logo, seeing how they treat their customers. *lol*

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

Update of previous update in Post #1788 ...

Microsoft wants you to know that Google reads your love letters ( NeoWin 2013-02-14 )

Hmmm. That is at least the 4th 5th 6th story of this nature in short order ...

• Microsoft slams Google again, warns shoppers not to get "Scroogled” [Update] ( NeoWin 2012-11-28 )
  
• Microsoft slams Android on Twitter; response is mixed ( NeoWin 2012-12-05 )
  
• Microsoft's corporate PR head calls out Google PR exec on Twitter ( NeoWin 2012-12-17 )
  
• Microsoft exec slams low Google+ interaction rate ( NeoWin 2013-02-01 )
  
• Microsoft warns: "Don't get Scroogled by Gmail" ( NeoWin 2013-02-07 )

I'm no prude but I see this as very ugly and unprofessional. They hired a DC political hack as hatchet-man ( Microsoft's DC insider could throw the kitchen sink at Google ) charged with doing nothing but attacking Google. Ironically it changes Microsoft into Apple, and Google into Microsoft resulting in a repeat of the past few decades where Apple did this type of nonsense routinely. Furthermore, Microsoft is really asking for it because there are so many things that Google could easily run an ad campaign on, most notably: Microsoft’s Bing uses Google search results—and denies it. Not to mention Microsoft embedding ads in their Windows 8 non-free paid-for operating system, and the vast amount of telemetry it collects such as how many minutes elapse before you modify Metro tiles, install from the app store or use the desktop. This is but the tip of the iceberg of items that Google could publicize, and if they chose to could produce fabulous advertising using Microsoft as the Titanic about to crash into it. Tacky, unprofessional and definitely NOT smart.

Added: please don't mistake this for blind support of Google, they lost any chance of that when they collaborated with the Chinese regime on censorship. The fact that Microsoft does not use this as a talking point should tell you something about their likely collaboration with regimes. Also, I would like to encourage Microsoft continue these ugly attacks because it will result in a wonderful public war and I have money invested in popcorn futures.



Update of previous update in Post #1854 ...

Nokia Mistakenly Reveals Lumia Windows RT Tablet ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-14 )
Nokia may drop Samsung as parts supplier ( NeoWin 2013-02-14 )

1st Story ... Nokia makes a harmless mistake? At first glance this does not qualify as a "problem" story about Nokia. But the people reporting believe this new tablet is NOT a Windows 8 model, but a Windows ReTard edition instead. Perhaps they want a piece of all those 700,000 Surface RT sales Seriously, they probably began this project before the RT fail became clear. But now they know, and will have no excuse if the thing ships and dies, especially considering the fact other OEMs scrapped their RT products, and with the x86 Surface Pro finally released which will attract most potential buyers, except for the handful that only care about battery life or for some reason want ARM in particular. The point being, by merely glancing at the list below, one can easily see that Nokia cannot afford many more mistakes. ADDED: Thurrott comments ... "A widely republished photo purporting to show Nokia’s long-expected entry into the Windows 8/RT tablet market is, alas, a fake."

2nd Story ... Nokia makes a not-so-harmless mistake? Samsung is a reportedly a major supplier ( NeoWin: "The maker of the Lumia and Asha phones have relied on Samsung to supply memory chips, displays and other components essential for making smartphones" ) so there must be something going on here since you normally don't burn bridges without reason ( well unless you are Microsoft ). This quote here is what makes me want to hurl ...

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Both Apple and Nokia are very skeptical about the "firewall" between Samsung's component business and their smartphone business

If it is accurate then the ex-Softie CEO at Nokia is an Academy Award winning hypocrite. The "Firewall" issue is first and foremost applied to Microsoft whose Operating System division supposedly makes a product for the use of all software developers ( that is the definition of an OS and also of a development platform ) but many have long-distrusted and criticized their lack of "separation". I think we can stop making believe now that the OS division serves anyone except Microsoft ( and yes, this is perfectly okay according to fanboys from Generation Xbox ).

• Nokia stock down 15% following Windows Phone announcements ( NeoWin 2012-09-05 )
  
• Nokia apologizes for misleading Lumia PureView video ( NeoWin 2012-09-06 )
  
• Nokia CEO: "No indications" Microsoft is making its own phone ( NeoWin 2012-10-02 )
  
• Nokia confirms sell off Finland HQ buildings [Update] ( NeoWin 2012-10-03 )
  
• Major bank downgrades Nokia again, recommends break-up and sell-off ( NeoWin 2012-10-04 )
  
• Nokia's VP of Product Marketing departs, investors dissapointed with 920 announcement ( NeoWin 2012-10-07 )
  
• AT&T Lumias get reduced battery life estimates ( NeoWin 2012-10-07 )
  
• Nokia reveals Euro pricing for Lumia 920 / 820 and accessories ( NeoWin 2012-10-12 )
  
• Nokia to raise cash by selling its headquarters ( NeoWin 2012-12-04 )
  
• Lawsuit that claimed Nokia lied about Lumia sales resolved ( NeoWin 2012-12-13 )
  
• Nokia may pull out of CES to focus on MWC ( NeoWin 2012-12-18 )
  
• Nokia will be at CES but has "scaled back" for the 2013 show ( NeoWin 2012-12-18 )
  
• Nokia is committed to Windows Phone, full stop ( NeoWin 2013-01-07 )
  
• Nokia accused of $545m tax evasion in India; offices raided in investigation ( NeoWin 2013-01-08 )
  
• Nokia's Asha range outselling Lumias 2:1 ( NeoWin 2013-01-13 )
  
• Nokia slashes another 1000 jobs in Finland ( NeoWin 2013-01-17 )
  
• Nokia sells Oulu campus for $40.8 million ( NeoWin 2013-02-12 )

EDIT: added Thurrott comment

This post has been edited by CharlotteTheHarlot: 15 February 2013 - 04:38 AM

[JorgeA]

CharlotteTheHarlot, on 14 February 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Update of previous update in Post #1854 ...

Nokia Mistakenly Reveals Lumia Windows RT Tablet ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-14 )
Nokia may drop Samsung as parts supplier ( NeoWin 2013-02-14 )

Apropos of smartphones:

There is little room for a third smartphone platform

Note the guy in the comments section who touts Windows phone sales growing. Well, iOS, even as it lost market share (thanks to Android's runaway lead), in 2012 actually saw total sales go up by more than the totality of Windows phones.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

HalloweenDocument12, on 14 February 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Microsoft's real mistake is not releasing a new console when they released Kinect. The XNA and used games scandals aren't helping, either. Before this console generation, gamers were accustomed to purchasing a new console every 3-5 years but because both Sony and Nintendo suffered their own drawn out decays, Microsoft decided to join in. Lazy.

Welcome to the discussion!

Yeah, MS has been taking a beating over the used-games issue. Imagine if, in previous decades, you couldn't lend or sell your used records or CDs to your friends, or even take a stack of them over for a party, because the things wouldn't play on other people's equipment. Hardly a selling point.

--JorgeA

[JorgeA]

If the PC dies, Windows 8 will be its killer, says analyst

The logic IMO is somewhat different from the way it's described in that article. Windows 8 may well manage to kill the PC -- but it would do so because so many people would rather hang on to their current PCs with an acceptable OS, than buy something preloaded with Windows 8.

--JorgeA

[ciHnoN]

"Microsoft's Lost Decade"

http://www.vanityfai...o-steve-ballmer

"Winning business was more important than making great products.

The entire article is quotable though. Very nice read.



Problem with Microsoft started before Windows 8, for example the way they handled Silverlight and killed it... now they are killing off XNA. Thing is, they have lost the trust of their core developers. People like me. When that trust is gone, people like me will not develop for their platform. With Windows 8, they sealed the deal.

From that moment, they were doomed...

http://youtu.be/3RoPtTEswWM?t=44m29s

This post has been edited by ciHnoN: 15 February 2013 - 01:06 AM

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

Penguin party: Steam Linux launches with week-long celebration sale ( PC Gamer 2013-02-14 )

Steam for Linux Client Now Available to Download ( Maximum PC 2013-02-14 )

What once seemed impossible has happened, as Gabe promised Steam has gone to Linux with 54 games at launch and with over half of them on sale. If Valve stays on this, over time they will pick off PC Gamers and Xbox customers, those who use Linux whenever possible but grudgingly get an Xbox or PC just for games. It won't be a large net loss of people at first but it will be a net loss ( obviously it does not add any customers into the Microsoft column ). Only Microsoft could have accomplished such a possibility, good work Steve! And yes, in the comments some MicroZealots show up to embarrass themselves.

Spoiler

Microsoft CFO Says Company Has No Mobile 'Plan B' ( Tom's Hardware 2013-02-14 )

That's for sure. Let's review the foolproof Plan A: Destroy Windows. Specifically, have some children using the rectangle tool on Microsoft Paint create the Playskool level Microsoft Tiles from gluing together ideas from Xbox, MCE, WP, Windows Gadgets, Active Desktop, Channels, the System Tray and elements of consumer electronic firmware. Then insert it into Windows 7 and rip out all the familiarity like the Start Menu and visual cues, take a sledgehammer to the evolved GUI screen elements like Aero returning it to Windows 1.x amateurism with sharp corners on 256-color shadowless 2D windows and 2-color icons, and for good measure once again randomly re-arrange access to all Windows configuration settings, slap on the name Windows 8 and call it a day. Now take this abomination and announce it as the past future and force it into all possible Windows platforms from phones to tablets, to powerful Servers and Workstations. Now feed it into the monopolized captive OEM channel where they can slip it into the world through attrition instead of by choice. Now stand back as all the hapless victims customers naturally fall hopelessly in love with the old new paradigm, and beat down the doors of Best Buy clamoring for more tiles on even more phones and tablets and computers and soon we will rule the world again! Bwahahahaha in evil voice. Oh wait, what?. ... BTW, isn't it hilarious that "Plan B" is also a name for Emergency Contraception Pills. So they must be telling us they are having this baby mutant whether we want it or not. It's Alive ...

Spoiler

Morgan Stanley analyst: Microsoft losing out on billions by not bringing Office to iPad ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

This is an interesting thought experiment and quite a pickle for Microsoft ( actual MicroZealot: "...it would be foolish for Microsoft to assist Apple by releasing Office for the iPad." ). Will they do better selling the software direct to the vast Apple ( and other ) Tablet market or keep it in house to try to sell "Windows" tablet hardware. There are way more iPads than there were Macs in the mid-1980's so it should be a no-brainer ( recall that Microsoft sent top-shelf versions of Word and Excel to Apple Macs with WYSIWYG GUI years before the PC had them, or even a functional Windows version ). This is further proof that Microsoft has plain lost its mind and instead of sound business decisions they are making crazy moves that follow no logic. Microsoft, the software company, should be selling all kinds of software for the iPad and other platforms. They have a huge archive of stuff that just needs to be ported and they would be flying out of the stores ( take Flight Simulator for example, a well-known signature game that instead of being further developed was suddenly effectively exterminated, and is but one of numerous titles that should be sold ). Instead of selling software for Apple ( and others ) the would rather try to become Apple. It's that jealousy thing again. ADDED: Thurrott comments ...

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When asked whether Microsoft would port its Office suite of applications to Apple’s popular iOS devices (e.g., the iPhone and iPad), Klein offered nothing new: He said that the firm was of course evaluating the opportunity and that the tradeoffs—the success of Office vs. removing a key advantage of Windows products—was fairly obvious. My sources tell me this product is in fact complete and that Microsoft will release Office 2013 for iOS before mid-year.

Nvidia CEO: Windows RT will result in a wonderful PC ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

Says the guy manufacturing ARM chips for the Surface RT You gotta wonder why he feels it necessary to say this. Perhaps because orders were reduced? ADDED: Thurrott comments ... "NVIDIA CEO is Delusional"



IDC: Windows Phone Q4 2012 sales up 150 percent ( NeoWin 2013-02-13 )

You mean sales are up comparing Q4 2012 ( with WP8 launch ) against Q4 2011 ( WP7x floundering ), hmmm, they couldn't possibly go lower could they? Anyway, at least NeoWin cites some numbers and it must have been painful ...

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IDC's press release states that the combined sales of Windows Phone and Windows Mobile products came in at six million units worldwide for the last three months of the year, compared to 2.4 million units for the same period a year ago. That was a 150 percent increase and brought Microsoft's smartphone market share up to 2.6 percent.

Even with that big of a change, it was not enough for third place. BlackBerry, despite seeing sales of its phones drop by 43.1 percent in the quarter, ended up in the third position in IDC's chart, with 7.4 million units and a 3.2 percent market share.

Sorry Charlie, it sure looks they lost on every single front, and without Blackberry even being released until 2013 ( yes, it wasn't even available in Q4 ). So it really is all uphill from here. This was a fool's errand hoping to make gains penetrating the mobile space, and destroying Windows for no good reason at all.



Microsoft's Surface Pro Shortage Sham ( Dvorak 2013-02-12 )

Almost forgot this one, now a few days old. Dvorak comments on the obvious marketing stunt with the Surface Pro.


EDIT: added stories, added Thurrott comment, updated image URLs, and again

This post has been edited by CharlotteTheHarlot: 06 May 2013 - 08:12 AM

[jaclaz]

JorgeA, on 14 February 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

jaclaz, on 14 February 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

You'll learn how often in Italy anything that is "temporary" becomes actually "perpetual" and anything that is "permanent" will be changed within a short period of times.

Sounds like what it would be like to live in a surrealistic film...

Naah, that's part of the fun.

The original quote is by Giuseppe Prezzolini:

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In Italia nulla è stabile fuorché il provvisorio.

from a book published in 1921, "Codice della vita italiana" a perfect snapshot (largely valid still today) of the defects (and features) of the Italians (and consequently of Italy), Chapter VI, 40.
Available here:
http://neapoliscalls...vita%20italiana
the Google translate is not that bad (or at least it is good enough to appreciate most of the humour and tradegy):
http://translate.goo...ta%2520italiana

CharlotteTheHarlot, on 15 February 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

Microsoft's Surface Pro Shortage Sham ( Dvorak 2013-02-12 )

Almost forgot this one, now a few days old. Dvorak comments on the obvious marketing stunt with the Surface Pro.

If I may, most probably because it didn't fit on the paper sheet a sentence has ben cut out off the above article, the original read (maybe ):

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That said, I am sure that if readers dig around, they can probably find a Surface somewhere to buy.
There is no reason to panic.
And not a single one to actually wanting to buy that thingy.

jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 15 February 2013 - 05:01 AM

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

It just so happens that Paul Thurrott has a few articles up where he comments on some of the exact same stories I have recently posted above ( the HP double-cross, Yahoo CEO on Bing, Office 2013 modified EULA ).

WinInfo Short Takes: February 15, 2013 ( Thurrott 2013-02-14 )

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With Friends Like These …

Microsoft’s biggest PC maker partner HP is prepping a new line of Android-based tablets, according to a report by ReadWrite that cites anonymous sources. If true, this will be the worst betrayal since Boromir tried to steal the One Ring from Frodo at the end of “The Fellowship of the Ring.” HP, which also recently announced plans for a Google Chromebook-based laptop, is apparently working with NVIDIA’s upcoming Tegra 4 chipset and is also exploring a potential Android-based smart phone release. I fondly remember the days when HP would follow Microsoft blindly down every technological rabbit hole it cared to dig, but those days are clearly over. Maybe Microsoft should pump a few billion more into Dell and put HP out of its misery.

Okay, I think we have found the absolute pinnacle of MicroZealot statements, no more entries please! Now seriously, who talks like that, unless they are actually on the payroll? What person not on the payroll would be so wrapped up in Microsoft like that? Only the penultimate Fanboy. Really. How dare a competitor of Dell ( especially in light of the Microsoft-Dell deal ) dare to even offer a competing product. Seriously! ... Certified Fanboy-of-the-Decade Award Winner

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Yahoo CEO Unimpressed with Microsoft Search Performance

Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer said this week that her company’s search partnership with Microsoft has not delivered the expected market share or revenue gains, strongly hinting that Yahoo wants to make changes. That, of course, would be devastating to Microsoft, which derives a huge chunk of its search traffic from Yahoo. (In December, Microsoft had 16.3 percent of the search market, with Yahoo controlling 12.2 percent.) But the Microsoft/Yahoo search deal is for ten years, and we’re only in year three, so Mayer may need to figure out a way to work with Microsoft, rather than against it. Which should be interesting, since Mayer is a former Google executive.

Office 2013 Gotcha: Standalone Products are for One PC Only ( Thurrott 2013-02-14 )

Subtitle ...The standalone versions of Office 2013 aren't necessarily a good value

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Not so with Office 2013. In a bid to nudge customers to subscription offerings like Office 365 Home Premium, Microsoft has revised the licensing for standalone Office products. And not in a good way.

First, there are no more multi-PC installs. So Office Home & Student 2013 can only be installed on a single PC, not on three like its predecessor.

Second, that single PC license is for the lifetime of the product: You can’t uninstall any standalone Office 2013 product and reinstall it on a second PC later. So if your current PC gets replaced, you will need to buy Office again.

Even most of his commenters are having a tough time with this. Several of them called Microsoft support and got different responses, they're worth a read.

Clearly this policy is designed to force people into Office 364, but what does that say about their cynical tactics? I ask any non-Zealot MicroDefenders still left out there: is there anything left that Microsoft can do to get you to wake up and realize they have turned the corner from a software company to simply a huge corporate conglomerate with no concern for any customer and are capable of anything and everything now?

[Formfiller]

Oh my God, Microsoft's new licensing terms for Office could be even worse than I thought.

Some say that the HARD DRIVE constitues a new PC according to MS support:

http://winsupersite....are-one-pc-only

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I inquired with them on a sales chat. They said I could re-install on the same machine, but not if I changed just my hard drive

...

Ian: How do you define a new PC? Can I re-format my PC and reinstall? What if I upgrade to an SSD?
John Y [MS REP]: Yes, you can reformat and reinstall. Basically if this is a new hard drive or completely new PC you cannot transfer the software

--------

MS usually defined the motherboard as the main PC piece. If you changed that, you got a new computer. But as anyone with a bit of IT knowledge knows, hard drives have usually a shorter life than mainboards. Of all PC components, hard drives are also the most sensitive to physical hits, shaking, jolting (entirely possible with a notebook). If it's true what the sales rep said, then MS has decided to tie Office to the most unreliable piece in a computer. Genius move!

[vinifera]

main question is, why would anyone sane even use new office at all ?

[loblo]

vinifera, on 15 February 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

main question is, why would anyone sane even use new office at all ?

Fear!