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Windows 8 - Deeper Impressions ...and related Microsoft controversies

#2341 User is offline   TELVM 

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:18 AM

View Postjaclaz, on 21 March 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

... 'inkulator' ...


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The caprices of Babel's Tower have also put carmakers in trouble more than once :rolleyes: .


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:02 AM

Yummie, according to Microsoft's own docs, the new Xbox will be:

"Always on, always connected"
"Kinect is required to be plugged in"
"All games must be installed on HDD"


http://n4g.com/news/...ed-must-install

Let's not forget that the Kinect is actually a camera! Apart from blocking used games (very possible given this specs) it means that you're buying a 24/7 connected-to-the-mothership camera here, usually directed at the living room to boot.

In short: You're buying a real-life telescreen here! (Telescreens are the television sets in "1984", they act as display devices but they also work as surveillance cameras, monitoring the room they are in and sending the stream to the big brother government).

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:10 AM

View Postjaclaz, on 21 March 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

I guess that only people with a background knowledge of Italian/Latin based languages will appreciate this :unsure::
http://www.giornalet...urdo-del-mondo/

:blushing: :D :lol:

The last line there:

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Come al solito Microsoft non si č inventata nulla, ha copiato ancora dagli altri…

A somewhat improved-upon Google translation:

As usual, Microsoft has not invented anything, once again it's copied from somebody else...
;)

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:10 AM

Freudian slip?

I like it how the new Xbox SDK installer uses the Matrix font.

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http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/

Using footage from a movie about being a slave for machines from birth to death sets the mood quite nicely for Telescreen 720, don't you think?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

View PostTELVM, on 21 March 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

The caprices of Babel's Tower have also put carmakers in trouble more than once :rolleyes: .

That was hilarious!

A slight variation on this (and totally OT): I remember when the Ford Torino came out. With apologies to @jaclaz ;) because it's a real place in Italy, we made fun of the name by splitting off the "T" and adding an "e" to it...

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:37 AM

View PostFormfiller, on 21 March 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Freudian slip?

I like it how the new Xbox SDK installer uses the Matrix font.

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http://www.vgleaks.com/durango-xdk/

Using footage from a movie about being a slave for machines from birth to death sets the mood quite nicely for Telescreen 720, don't you think?

Yeah, I do think!

I wonder if they're aware of what they're doing there. Or maybe it's a kind of deliberate (but still ominous) joke.

Just wait till these Kinect cameras get networked and become accessible to a variety of three-letter agencies. Doesn't even matter if Microsoft actually intends for people to be spied on, they will have made it all possible, and easy.

The most secure data is the data that doesn't get collected in the first place...

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:06 AM

Oh, how cute:

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Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use. [...] and will always maintain a network connection.

Every Durango console will be sold with a new high-fidelity Kinect Sensor, which will be required for the system to operate [...] Active infrared illumination will provide high-quality monochrome images even in low ambient light conditions (!)


That's like straight from those b-movie sci fi flicks, where you always think how did the people let this s***hole scenario happen.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostTELVM, on 21 March 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

The caprices of Babel's Tower have also put carmakers in trouble more than once :rolleyes: .

Wow, those are hysterical!



View PostFormfiller, on 21 March 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Freudian slip?

I like it how the new Xbox SDK installer uses the Matrix font.

Using footage from a movie about being a slave for machines from birth to death sets the mood quite nicely for Telescreen 720, don't you think?

That's a great catch there, you nailed it. :thumbup Really appropriate. I'm gonna whip up graphic thanks to your tip.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:59 AM

To be fair, not ONLY car makers had these kind of hiccups:
http://www.businessn...ng-mishaps.html

Ikea has traditionally being one of the best at it, probably due to the Swedish being so "different" :unsure: , but sure while not everyone might know Thai:
http://www.businessi...thailand-2012-6

names like (just a few):
Anis, Dick, Fanny, Fartfull, Jerker, Lessebo might have raised an eyebrow or two....

SCOOP! :yes: ever thought of feeding "Windows 8" in an Ikea Name Generator? :unsure:

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

Echoes of what we said a couple of days ago:

Microsoft's cash-for-apps pitch to devs smells like desperation


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Dubbed "Keep the Cash," the promotion is Microsoft's first overt cash-for-apps program, a tactic rivals Google and Apple have never used to attract submissions.

To one analyst, the $100-per-app pitch was an ill omen.

"It looks a little desperate," said Patrick Moorhead, principal analyst with Moor Insights & Strategy. "It sends the message that Microsoft is having a hard time building out its app categories. And it doesn't bode well for the Windows Store."


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"Clearly, they'd like to populate the stores as quickly as possible with more apps," said Ezra Gottheil of Technology Business Research. "But it seems they want to try to pull in the 13-year-olds, because $100 is not at all meaningful to an established developer. Maybe they're looking for the next generation of kid geniuses, and hoping to find the next killer app that comes out of nowhere."


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Miller wasn't keen on the idea of paying for apps. "I agree with Charlie [Kindel]," said Miller, talking about a blog post from September 2012 where Kindel said paying developers cash was a bad idea.

In that post, Kindel—until mid-2011 the general manager of Microsoft's Windows Phone developer experience—also predicted Microsoft would make the move.

"It is highly likely things are about to change and Microsoft is going to start directly incenting developers to build apps with cash," Kindel wrote at the time. "If I'm right, and we start to see clear evidence that Microsoft is paying for apps, then Windows is in even more trouble than most of us already believe."

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:48 AM

PCWorld is running a poll on Windows 8. Here are the results so far:

Attached File  PCWorld Poll.jpg (129.95K)
Number of downloads: 14

As they say... vote early and often! ;)

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 11:37 AM

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PCWorld is running a poll on Windows 8. Here are the results so far:


Writing on the wall? Of those that have used/tried it, it is:

31% Like it.

46% Don't like it.

Not what I would call real stellar numbers. We will have look back later to see if it changes much.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:04 PM

Linked to in the article on PC World (but with a broken link):

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Windows Store: Charmed, I’m sure.

http://getwired.com/...harmed-im-sure/

Seemingly the EXACT OPPOSITE of what is happening (and that the "new provision" may contribute to create).

Anyone willing to count (on his/her own "real" PC) HOW MANY (roughly):
  • programs are installed
  • programs are actually used (daily or often enough)
  • programs you couldn't live without


Mine:
  • more than 200
  • 35, maybe 40
  • 10 to 15, maybe 20


jaclaz

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:16 PM

An interesting take on the Surface's positioning in the market and marketing problems, from a couple of months ago.

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Microsoft has never disguised the fact that the Surface Pro would be a tablet with ultrabook characteristics, or sell at a price commensurate with ultrabooks'. In June, when the company surprised the industry, including its OEM partners, by introducing its own hardware, it said that the Surface Pro would sell for about the same as Intel-powered ultrabooks, whose prices have hovered at $1,000 and beyond.

The problem for Microsoft is that the outlook for ultrabooks, which the Surface Pro emulates, is dim. Windows ultrabook sales have been disappointing this year, and show little sign of improving sans dramatic price cuts. Such a move, failing similar discounts by Microsoft, would leave the Surface Pro high (in price) and dry.


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Even without the current sales issues with ultrabooks, Microsoft's strategy of putting two devices into a single chassis may have little chance. By trying to make Windows 8 all things to all people—and make it fit for use in a wider range of devices—Microsoft has set itself a bar that will be very tough to jump considering the current state of computing.

"The real question is, 'What is the point of a two-in-one device or touchscreen PC?'" said Singh. "Legacy applications are not touch optimized, so using them on a Surface Pro, even with a Touch/Type Cover, is a sub-optimal experience compared to a traditional laptop."


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"If the Surface doesn't sell as a PC that can manifest itself as a tablet, then it's nowhere," said Gottheil.

In fact, few experts give the Surface Pro much of a chance of selling in any appreciable number. By extension, that means there's little chance for Microsoft to break out of the flagging PC business to a wider product constituency of tablets, or to create a viable two-in-one category.

"At the end of the day, Microsoft's problems with the Surface and Windows 8 have been caused by a flawed mobile strategy," asserted Singh. "Microsoft sees the tablet as an extension of the PC, but doesn't seem to understand the fact that the gap between touch-optimized and non-touch-optimized applications renders that logic invalid. Microsoft is attempting to position the Surface Pro as a laptop/PC replacement but unfortunately, replacing a PC doesn't seem to be necessity anymore."


So far, that analysis seems to be borne out by subsequent sales performance.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

Stephen Elop throws an iPhone, ignores the Lumia 928 ( NeoWin 2013-03-22 )

Elop throws an iPhone on Finnish TV, refuses to answer Lumia 928 questions ( The Verge 2013-03-22 )

On the video Stephen Elop said:

"Oh how embarrassing. I can take care of that for you, there you go. Gone, hehe."


Naturally the MicroZealots have something to say about it ...

Assorted NeoWin commenters said:

didn't throw it hard enough

Elop rocks.

And I am glad he threw the iPhone. I would have thrown it to the floor harder so it breaks.


Here's what I have to say about it ...

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If anyone doesn't know who he is, see Wikipedia ...

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Career

Elop was a director of consulting for Lotus Development Corporation before becoming CIO for Boston Chicken in 1992, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1998. In the same year, he joined Macromedia's Web/IT department and worked at the company for seven years, where he held several senior positions, including CEO from January 2005 for three months before their acquisition by Adobe Systems was announced in April 2005.

He was then president of worldwide field operations at Adobe, tendering his resignation in June 2006 and leaving in December, after which he was the COO of Juniper Networks for exactly one year from January 2007-2008.

Before starting at Nokia, Elop worked for Microsoft from January 2008 to September 2010 as the head of the Business Division, responsible for the Microsoft Office line of products, and as a member of the company's senior leadership team. During his time at Microsoft, the Business Division released Office 2010.

Nokia announced on March 11, 2011 that it had paid Elop a $6 million signing bonus, “compensation for lost income from his prior employer," on top of his $1.4 million annual salary.



Comparative articles about other CEO's feelings over their competition ...

Google Chairman uses a BlackBerry and hates the Nexus 7's size ( NeoWin 2013-03-22 )

Bill Gates still won't let his children use Apple products ( NeoWin 2012-12-28 )

Man Survives Steve Ballmer’s Flying Chair To Build ’21st Century Linux’ ( Wired 2011-11-18 )

Google's honcho admits to using a Blackberry ( I can respect this ). Gates and his wife have banned Apple from their mansion ( makes no sense to me at all). Ballmer, well, he just throws chairs and threatens to kill the competition, literally. :lol:

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 03:47 PM

Xbox 'Durango' XDK leak "confirms" always-online, mandatory HDD installs, required Kinect 2 ( NeoWin 2013-03-19 )

Xbox 'Durango' leak claims console is 'always connected,' games must be installed to hard disk ( The Verge 2013-03-20 )

FUD alert: "always connected" Xbox 720 rumors are mostly paranoia ( TechSpot 2013-03-20 )

Report: Next Xbox Will Be Always-On, Games Run off HDD ( Tom's Hardware 2013-03-24 )

Mentioned by others upthread, some of this is in dispute, maybe. But seriously, is there any remaining customer base that Microsoft isn't screwing around with? They have pretty much done a clean sweep now. They had already p!ssed off Windows veteran users by butchering the GUI, server administrators with the childish Metro interface, the developers by ruining Visual Studio and reducing benefits for MSDN/TechNet subscribers, Office loyalists with both the GUI and licensing, earlier Windows Phone users left high and dry, and of course aborting the favorite product for Zune die-hards. Perhaps now some members of Generation Xbox will come to their senses?



1600 Microsoft Points offered to UK residents affected by website error ( NeoWin 2013-03-22 )

NeoWin said:

Microsoft Email to NeoWin said:

We have removed the "Xbox LIVE Awards Programme Competition" element of the Xbox Entertainment Awards and have closed this Facebook prize promotion. To apologise for any inconvenience this technical issue and the withdrawal of the Xbox LIVE Awards Programme Competition may have caused we are, as a gesture of goodwill, providing you with 1600 Microsoft Points which can be redeemed for TV shows, movies and games to enjoy on your Xbox 360 console, tablet or PC.

The email added that Microsoft "took immediate steps to remove the application from its UK Facebook page and sincerely apologise for the error." It's estimated that close to 3,000 UK residents had their information exposed as part of the error, which included the person's real name, email and birthday and Xbox Live Gamertag.

Well how about that, 1600 points to wash their hands of the matter. A cynical person would say the victims had their personal info sold to spammers around the world for a grand total of, wait for it, $20 USA ( converter ). Yep, that's worth it. :no:


Latest roundup of articles about Microsoft Xbox related destruction ...


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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:29 PM

View Postjaclaz, on 22 March 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:



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What is more important on October 26th:

That there be a giant number of apps available in the Windows Store?
That there be a handful of truly compelling, unique apps on the Windows Store?


False dichotomy and too often repeated by 8tards. The point of having a huge number of apps is to increase the likelihood that one exists for whatever specific purpose. Attempting to "focus" on creating a smaller number of higher quality apps fails because a single entity doesn't have control over these disparate resources (separate companies) and consolidation reduces specialization and competition.

View Postjaclaz, on 22 March 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Anyone willing to count (on his/her own "real" PC) HOW MANY (roughly):
  • programs are installed
  • programs are actually used (daily or often enough)
  • programs you couldn't live without


I have "only" 117 installed at the moment according to the Programs dialog, but this doesn't count the stuff without installers and i'm reasonably good about pruning the list.

One of my favorite features of Windows 7 is the "iconization" of the taskbar. The reason is that, with 16 GB RAM, I don't bother shutting things off. There are constantly 15-20 things running and probably 25-50 browser tabs going. In previous versions of Windows the Taskbar became practically unusable after about 7 open windows. Not applications: windows.

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Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:46 PM

The Elop interview reminds me of a 60 Minutes interview with Howard Stringer, former Sony CEO. Looking it up, it looks like the interview was done in 2006, so before the iPhone. During the interview, Leslie Stahl whips out an iPod. Stringer doesn't throw it, but he looks like he wants to. After Leslie presses him a bit, Howard says "You can take iPod and beat us over the head with it, but it's only one product. And we have a thousand products. Apple has two or three." Sorry, can't find a clip of this. There is a 2 minute recap but it edits out all the Apple talk.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:07 AM

View Postjaclaz, on 22 March 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Anyone willing to count (on his/her own "real" PC) HOW MANY (roughly):
  • programs are installed
  • programs are actually used (daily or often enough)
  • programs you couldn't live without


Mine:
  • more than 200
  • 35, maybe 40
  • 10 to 15, maybe 20


My numbers in each category are smaller, but the proportions are comparable.

Imagine paging through a Start Screen containing 100-200 installed programs and their associated sub-programs and uninstallers :w00t: , plus default-installed Metro apps. That's one reason that the dated, cheesy, old-hat Start Menu is superior: you can hide most of the clutter beneath nested folders (or flyout menus, if you prefer the 98/XP style menu) and speed up your visual scan. And there's no need to manually rearrange everything if you don't want: it's automatically alphabetized for you.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 04:14 AM

Yes "my" 200 take care of the ones just dropped on the hd (without needing install).
What I wanted to say is that given a n number of applications on one's hard disk, that in the case of a long time PC user are/were selected out of (say) n*10 tested apps (over several years) what you actually "use commonly" is 0,20*n and those that you actually couldn't do without (i.e. whose functions/features are NOT replaceable through another similar app that you already have on the disk) are maybe 0,10*n.

So, 1,000,000 US$ / 100 would in theory produce 10,000 apps.

This makes no sense. :ph34r:

After having examined the apps, they would result (in a perfect world) at the most in 1,000 "original" apps and 9,000 clones/copies/same, whilst most probably in the real world (and being optimistic) they would more likely be 500 "original" and 9,500 (bad) copies or unneeded duplicates.

I would say even less than that as, objectively, there are quite a few things that you (or the average tablet user) won't do on it.

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