[Browncoat]

found my own answer........
the bastards did stop support at 2.0.0
and here I was counting on open source to keep 2000 alive!

http://wiki.videolan...G:Usage:Version

Its good that I know how to use SUPER so I can keep converting the mkv files I like
into 720p .avi files that can play on my system.

http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html

BIG FAT EDIT: It is working now.

This post has been edited by Browncoat: 12 April 2012 - 02:36 PM

[tomasz86]

You mean in Windows 2000, right?

I can run it here with no problems.

There are different players based on MPlayer, such as PotPlayer, the KMPlayer, SMPLayer, etc. All of them work fine in Win2k.

This post has been edited by tomasz86: 25 March 2012 - 11:07 PM

[Browncoat]

tomasz86, on 25 March 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

You mean in Windows 2000, right?

That's what I said.

Quote

I can run it here with no problems.

How? and no, I still don't understand how to use BWC's or WB's kernel (yet)
despite this chart?
http://wiki.videolan...G:Usage:Version

[tomasz86]

I don't know, it just works Frankly, I rarely look at such charts at all.

You don't really need to "use" the unofficial kernels. You just install them like any other M$ update and that's it. I've got UURollup (ENU) installed here.

[Browncoat]

tomasz86, on 26 March 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

You don't really need to "use" the unofficial kernels. You just install them like any other M$ update and that's it. I've got UURollup (ENU) installed here.

OK, I've got the page, reading, perhaps I'll give it a try.

With this you got the latest VLC player 2.0.x versions to run?

I joined that forum because I really need some guidance on keeping W2kP alive,
I do have rollup 1, the older unofficial service pack 5 from the majorgeeks site
and the few that came down the pike until July 2010 and because I wanted those fonts
that were included, the powerpoint updates of the last couple of years.

This post has been edited by Browncoat: 26 March 2012 - 02:15 PM

[blackwingcat]

It requires ws2_32 and iphlpapi new APIs.
Plz see this article(Japanese), if you want to know detail.
You can select KDW , OC wrapper s or Extended kernels for use VLC player.

Browncoat, on 26 March 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

Quote

I can run it here with no problems.

How? and no, I still don't understand how to use BWC's or WB's kernel (yet)
despite this chart?
http://wiki.videolan...G:Usage:Version

This post has been edited by blackwingcat: 26 March 2012 - 06:02 PM

[tomasz86]

Browncoat, on 26 March 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

OK, I've got the page, reading, perhaps I'll give it a try.

With this you got the latest VLC player 2.0.x versions to run?

If you have all those packages (including USP5.1) installed then there's no problem with installing UURollup. Actually the only issue so far was when you only have SP4 & IE6 (and no other newer updates), and try to install the UURollup in such a configuration. Thus having at least the official Update Rollup 1 installed is the minimal requirement.

This post has been edited by tomasz86: 26 March 2012 - 07:03 PM

[ppgrainbow]

Browncoat, I understand your pain that VLC Media Player dropped support for Windows 2000 and Windows XP pre-SP2.

The reason why is that they added three entry point dependencies that doesn't work and it's IPv6 related to WS2_32.DLL, freeaddrinfo, getaddrinfo and getnameinfo...the dependencies that only exist on Windows XP SP1 and later. I don't know if people even tried running VLC Media Player 2.0.x on Windows XP SP1 yet since it is not a officially supported service pack.

It's possible to make it work by using a hex editor to eliminate two of the three dependencies, but it's not easy to eliminate freeaddrinfo, because it contains 12 characters, not 11. I tried that once with Qemu 1.0 and it never worked. I'll probably explain that in my next forum thread.

I was also wondering that since VLC is open source software, I was wondering if there was a way to compile VLC Media Player 2.0.1 using MSVC 2005 or MSVC 2008 without IPv6 support (freeaddrinfo, getaddrinfo and getnameinfo)?

[Browncoat]

Well, ppgrainbow, I checked my C:\WINNT folder, they're all there, including the Rollup 1 and their uninstall folders coloured in blue on my system.
Recently though my dedicated PVR [an old eMachine with XP Home] went belly up due to motherboard issues and I'm a bit reluctant to experiment
on my one working machine. Yet tomas states his pack is stable, I've recently joined the RyanVM board and for now am just reading up, learning
and sometime before June, the deadline for deciding to go from FF 11 to Pale Moon. Or I may make the jump and go ahead and try his
UURollup, yet eagerly awaiting his SP6. Meanwhile, hunting for another refurb to make into a RVR[the cards and drives still work, just the mobo
was no good].
Frell, I hate being poor, when times were good I had five machines going, including a PIII dedicated to just experimenting on before trying anything
new on the others.and yes, one of those was a dedicated porn hunter isolated from the rest, to protect the others from anything cyber-nasty.

This post has been edited by Browncoat: 27 March 2012 - 10:12 PM

[blackwingcat]

But I think that it is only laziness on programing.

For example the twitter client mo-footer which I created alpha and Beta version are supported both Windows 95 and IPv6.
(These are developed by VC++2005)
We can support both only several lines code.

ppgrainbow, on 27 March 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

The reason why is that they added three entry point dependencies that doesn't work and it's IPv6 related to WS2_32.DLL, freeaddrinfo, getaddrinfo and getnameinfo...the dependencies that only exist on Windows XP SP1 and later. I don't know if people even tried running VLC Media Player 2.0.x on Windows XP SP1 yet since it is not a officially supported service pack.

It's possible to make it work by using a hex editor to eliminate two of the three dependencies, but it's not easy to eliminate freeaddrinfo, because it contains 12 characters, not 11. I tried that once with Qemu 1.0 and it never worked. I'll probably explain that in my next forum thread.

I was also wondering that since VLC is open source software, I was wondering if there was a way to compile VLC Media Player 2.0.1 using MSVC 2005 or MSVC 2008 without IPv6 support (freeaddrinfo, getaddrinfo and getnameinfo)?

[ppgrainbow]

Browncoat, on 27 March 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

Well, ppgrainbow, I checked my C:\WINNT folder, they're all there, including the Rollup 1 and their uninstall folders coloured in blue on my system.
Recently though my dedicated PVR [an old eMachine with XP Home] went belly up due to motherboard issues and I'm a bit reluctant to experiment
on my one working machine. Yet tomas states his pack is stable, I've recently joined the RyanVM board and for now am just reading up, learning
and sometime before June, the deadline for deciding to go from FF 11 to Pale Moon. Or I may make the jump and go ahead and try his
UURollup, yet eagerly awaiting his SP6. Meanwhile, hunting for another refurb to make into a RVR[the cards and drives still work, just the mobo
was no good].
Frell, I hate being poor, when times were good I had five machines going, including a PIII dedicated to just experimenting on before trying anything
new on the others.and yes, one of those was a dedicated porn hunter isolated from the rest, to protect the others from anything cyber-nasty.

I'm really sorry to see your eMachine-based Windows XP computer went belly up due to motherboard issues. The same thing happened to my old motherboard from late 2002. It experienced BIOS ROM checksum errors due to a bad BIOS ROM chip and the last straw was that I used one of the USB devices and it caused this error. Pale Moon 9 doesn't support OSes earlier than Windows XP SP2, btw. I'm gonna try the UURollup instead of KernelEx to see how things go from here.

[ppgrainbow]

blackwingcat, on 27 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

But I think that it is only laziness on programing.

For example the twitter client mo-footer which I created alpha and Beta version are supported both Windows 95 and IPv6.
(These are developed by VC++2005)
We can support both only several lines code.

ppgrainbow, on 27 March 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

The reason why is that they added three entry point dependencies that doesn't work and it's IPv6 related to WS2_32.DLL, freeaddrinfo, getaddrinfo and getnameinfo...the dependencies that only exist on Windows XP SP1 and later. I don't know if people even tried running VLC Media Player 2.0.x on Windows XP SP1 yet since it is not a officially supported service pack.

It's possible to make it work by using a hex editor to eliminate two of the three dependencies, but it's not easy to eliminate freeaddrinfo, because it contains 12 characters, not 11. I tried that once with Qemu 1.0 and it never worked. I'll probably explain that in my next forum thread.

I was also wondering that since VLC is open source software, I was wondering if there was a way to compile VLC Media Player 2.0.1 using MSVC 2005 or MSVC 2008 without IPv6 support (freeaddrinfo, getaddrinfo and getnameinfo)?

Really? Awesome job on making Mo-Footer the best Twitter client out there!

The biggest excuses for developers to get users to upgrade were simply adding the three entry point dependencies that I mentioned in my previous post that prevent the app from executing on Win2k; sadly, I can't blame them for that. Using a hex editor is a to replace the three entry point dependencies that prevent the app from working on Win2k, but sadly...that will most likely make the app not run correctly. Using KernelEx and UURollup are the best options out there.

[tomasz86]

ppgrainbow, on 28 March 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Using KernelEx and or UURollup are the best options out there.

Fixed You mustn't use both at the same time because files will overwrite each other which will cause issues. UURollup has files from both WB & BWC kernels (I chose which ones to include looking at their dependencies and APIs they add).

By the way, Pale Moon browser does work with the UURollup installed.

This post has been edited by tomasz86: 28 March 2012 - 06:38 AM

[ppgrainbow]

tomasz86, on 28 March 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

ppgrainbow, on 28 March 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

Using KernelEx and or UURollup are the best options out there.

Fixed You mustn't use both at the same time because files will overwrite each other which will cause issues. UURollup has files from both WB & BWC kernels (I chose which ones to include looking at their dependencies and APIs they add).

By the way, Pale Moon browser does work with the UURollup installed.

Thanks! I'm gonna test the UURollup in a Win2k VM before I try it out on a real PC.

[Browncoat]

Unlike Mozilla, palemoon.org are going to maintain two forks, it says so on their
Main page
http://www.palemoon.org/
the download page, current version 3.6.30 or four more than the mozilla version on my other usb stick, the blog and in their forum.

BWC,WB and tomasz are the real browncoats, working tirelessly to keep the last non-activation
OS from Redmond viable. I tip my hat to you all and wish I had some spare cash to throw your way,
though if I understand correctly it is that 2010 compiler(sp?) that's the culprit.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[tomasz86]

Browncoat, on 28 March 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

though if I understand correctly it is that 2010 compiler(sp?) that's the culprit.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

MS VC++ 2010 is one of the reasons why many programs won't run in Windows 2000 without any unofficial kernel installed but there are also many other issues related to file dependencies, etc.

By the way, if you're concerned about installing unofficial packages I'd suggest using Clonezilla or Parted Magic (Clonezilla is included in it) to make a copy of your system partition. You can always restore it to the previous state if something goes wrong. If possible, using a USB flash disk to boot it is recommended (because it's much faster than booting from CD).

This post has been edited by tomasz86: 29 March 2012 - 01:08 PM

[blackwingcat]

tomasz86, on 29 March 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Browncoat, on 28 March 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

though if I understand correctly it is that 2010 compiler(sp?) that's the culprit.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

MS VC++ 2010 is one of the reasons why many programs won't run in Windows 2000 without any unofficial kernel installed but there are also many other issues related to file dependencies, etc.

I released Windows 9x / 2000 Library for VC++2010. before.
If you compile with this library on VC++2010 , your program does not only works on Windows 2000 but also Windows 95/98/Me !

This post has been edited by blackwingcat: 30 March 2012 - 05:19 AM

[Browncoat]

blackwingcat, on 30 March 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

I released Windows 9x / 2000 Library for VC++2010. before.
If you compile with this library on VC++2010 , your program does not only works on Windows 2000 but also Windows 95/98/Me !

Hasn't anyone told Mozilla this?

Or don't they want to know? [that's the closest to confused as I can find here]

Big Fat Edit: it is now 20:37 I'm at the so-called Mozilla forum [registered] and I'm getting the run-around,
I see no place to put a new post. You'd thunk that the smart people over there would know about BWC
and take him under their wing as a supporting contributor.

Another Big Fat Edit: It is now Saturday.
Right now I can't even afford to run out and get a cheap refurb, so I'm going to take the 30gig Kingston SSD I got for my birthday and was saving for the
PVR, use XXCLONE , set this BIOS to boot from it and try tomasz' s UURollup. I don't know when,as I have many other chores to do but will report
back,success or failure, when I've done so.
Thanks for all the advice.

This post has been edited by Browncoat: 31 March 2012 - 01:05 AM

[blackwingcat]

Browncoat, on 30 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

blackwingcat, on 30 March 2012 - 05:17 AM, said:

I released Windows 9x / 2000 Library for VC++2010. before.
If you compile with this library on VC++2010 , your program does not only works on Windows 2000 but also Windows 95/98/Me !

Hasn't anyone told Mozilla this?

Or don't they want to know? [that's the closest to confused as I can find here]

Big Fat Edit: it is now 20:37 I'm at the so-called Mozilla forum [registered] and I'm getting the run-around,
I see no place to put a new post. You'd thunk that the smart people over there would know about BWC
and take him under their wing as a supporting contributor.

Mozilla developers say　”We finished support Windows 2000, so new use new API and delete stub function for Windows 2000”
And, I changed from KDW wrapper project to Extended kernel .
v15 kernel can use Firefox 13 and ThunderBird 13

This post has been edited by blackwingcat: 30 March 2012 - 06:52 PM

[Browncoat]

OK, I've done the mechanical bit but since all four SATA connectors on this ASUS were full, after what was the backup boot drive
[initiated when the IDE one failed] was being used as the main 'C' drive. "BootBackup" is now just sitting in the drive cage unconnected,
with the SSD using it's data and power connectors.
I see a new version of the UURollup today.
What does it do?
Does it give me SATA drivers, for I know it is a waste to have a SSD run in IDE mode but I only guess that is what the mobo
did on its' own as I had no trouble in 2008 [yeah, time to think about a new build] installing W2k from a SATA DVD drive.
Also I envy Syclones' achievement of getting all four cores of his new build running. Which is what I want to do,once I get the cash,
is build a gamer-level AMD/nVidia workstation because for now when I download a 720p mkv file I have to convert it to avi to run on
this machine with SUPER
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
It would be so much nicer just to run it directly but this machine chokes, with cpu at 100%, yet when I match video bitrate to the original
and just cut the multi-channel audio to mp3 stereo, the cpu runs at 64% or less with a great picture.
I can't read BWC's blog, even with google translate. That would also solve the MDP-130's glitch of not being able to play DVDs in a multi-
core since the Windows version of VLC can [whereas in linux I have to add the CSS libraries manually].

Lastly, I'm not going to slipstream, I'm going to install one at a time, manually, as if I've never heard of HFSLip or nLite.
Right now, got other chores to do, will report back later.
I'm not even going to worry about the swap file because I notice Spybots' TeaTimer app does the same thing every 2nd boot,cpu at 100%,
while it checks everything in the system.