[Aloha]

Andre,
It's still an evalution copy and I can use it until Jan 2013. Eight months is a long time to a changeable person like me.

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UltimateSilence,
I am glad to know you love the Ribbon too. On another forum I joined, most people who tried W8 said they hated the Ribbon just because it was too big for the Explorer!

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CoffeeFiend,
You are very good at picking out parts of what I said so that you can show out your best replies. You asked me what were the good features I liked and I gave you the list. You don't need to object it one by one and tell me something I already predicted in my last post. Here it is again in case you missed it:

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And maybe the above features are only nice to me. They might be a disaster or just a fiddle-faddle to the others, I'm not sure.

Btw, I am not a kid eager for changing the desktop wallpaper every 15 minutes. I have no problem doing it manually just three or four times a week. Then, the automatic theme has served this purpose perfectly therein, don't you think so?

[CoffeeFiend]

Aloha, on 13 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

You are very good at picking out parts of what I said

I didn't really pick parts. I pretty much quoted the entire thing line by line (not that I see anything wrong with just commenting on the interesting parts either). It just makes it easier to see what one is replying to. It's very much the same thing as MagicAndre1981 said, just written in a more "structured" way.

Aloha, on 13 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

You don't need to object it one by one

I see no harm in doing so either (it's a forum, where people can have and express opinions, you know -- just like bphlpt explained before). It's not like we're trying to convince you or anything. We're just just voicing opinions. All we're saying is that it brings very, very little outside of Metro (not that Metro is a good thing). And most of that is matched or even surpassed by freeware. Feel free to disagree altogether with everything I said.

Aloha, on 13 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

And maybe the above features are only nice to me. They might be a disaster or just a fiddle-faddle to the others

That's about the only sentence I hadn't quoted (I didn't see the point of it). But yes, that's pretty much the case according to a lot of people.

Aloha, on 13 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

I am not a kid eager for changing the desktop wallpaper every 15 minutes

I don't see why not. Nice new pics every time you peek at the desktop. You get to enjoy more awesome pics that way too (I have about 2000 of them in a folder that are on rotation). Everyone at work keeps asking about them. It's also a great way to get rid of some of the lesser ones (I have a shortcut that deletes the not-so-great ones in 2 clicks so they're never seen again, leaving you with only the absolute best stuff -- it's less work to sort them this way too). It's like a slow-paced slideshow of awesome photos. It's less of a hassle to have it change them automatically than manually changing them yourself. I'd never go back.

Aloha, on 13 May 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

the automatic theme has served this purpose perfectly therein, don't you think so?

I can't quite grasp what you meant there. Sorry.

[Aloha]

CoffeeFiend,
When you broke my sentence and didn't quote it as a whole you might somehow misunderstand what I wanted to tell you. Besides, you skipped my major opinion in my posts. I've implied that what I like might be what you don't like. I have my own reasons to like W8, and you have your own reasons to dislike it. I also said I liked BP's post because I didn't want to discuss about this any more, then why bother quoting my post again?

About the last part of my post you said you didn't understand, I'll try to make it clear now. I am talking about this:

If I choose this Automatic feature and my desktop wallpaper changes every 15 minutes, of course the theme will change its color (to match with the wallpaper color) every 15 minutes too and surely this will be very annoying.

The monitor I'm using is only 19 inches in size with the default resolution of 1280x1024. When I play a game I have it run in fullscreen. When I watch a film, I enjoy it in fullscreen too. If I open Word or Excel, they are also in fullscreen. And when I am suffing the net, the browser is always open in maximize, not window. See? I rarely look at the desktop wallpaper, and if I do I don't stare at it for long. I don't need something automatically changing the wallpaper every 15 minutes while I am playing a game because I can't see it at all. And if I happen to see a nice picture on the net and decide to set it as the wallpaper, I do it myself, nothing can do it for me. I choose to do this change manually every two days. This means, the theme will automatically change the color just every two days. And in this case, exactly it is my case, the automatic feature is completely suitable to my purpose and I like it.

That's what I tried to tell you. Don't say that you don't grasp it again!

Edit: remove the image

This post has been edited by Aloha: 01 June 2012 - 07:22 AM

[tomasz86]

There's no Windows Classic theme in Windows 8

[CoffeeFiend]

Aloha, on 14 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

then why bother quoting my post again?

Why not? Even if you don't feel like discussing things, or that you dislike that others are voicing their opinions about Win8 (if that's the case, then I strongly recommend getting rid of internet until Win9 is out), people will still reply, comment, share their thoughts and so on. That's the whole point of forums. If you don't want to discuss things then don't. Others are still free to do so. I don't really see what the big deal is here.

Aloha, on 14 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

the theme will change its color (to match with the wallpaper color) every 15 minutes too and surely this will be very annoying.

I don't personally see how it would be annoying. It's one of those things I couldn't really care less about. Either ways, mine is set to whatever it was when you install the OS. Then again, why make such a big deal of wallpapers when you say you hardly ever see it in the first place?

Aloha, on 14 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

That's what I tried to tell you. Don't say that you don't grasp it again!

I understand what you said in this post (let's call it "the explanation"), but I still can't quite understand the exact sense of the original sentence (my English isn't perfect, sorry).

tomasz86, on 14 May 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

There's no Windows Classic theme in Windows 8

There's no classic anything in Win8. It seems like they're doing their best to kill everything Windows was, and are only letting you use "legacy" desktop apps to "smooth out" the transition to their desktopless phone OS. Everything that remains from previous Windows versions is quickly getting Metro-ified

[JorgeA]

CoffeeFiend, on 14 May 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

There's no classic anything in Win8. It seems like they're doing their best to kill everything Windows was, and are only letting you use "legacy" desktop apps to "smooth out" the transition to their desktopless phone OS. Everything that remains from previous Windows versions is quickly getting Metro-ified

Hear, hear. But things are even worse than that: Metro style is starting to take over Microsoft's websites, with those full-color rectangles and plain flat arrows. I just updated my Norton 360 to version 6, and it too is blemished by that flat, plain look. Talk about a spreading computer "virus."

--JorgeA

[UltimateSilence]

JorgeA, on 14 May 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

CoffeeFiend, on 14 May 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

There's no classic anything in Win8. It seems like they're doing their best to kill everything Windows was, and are only letting you use "legacy" desktop apps to "smooth out" the transition to their desktopless phone OS. Everything that remains from previous Windows versions is quickly getting Metro-ified

Hear, hear. But things are even worse than that: Metro style is starting to take over Microsoft's websites, with those full-color rectangles and plain flat arrows. I just updated my Norton 360 to version 6, and it too is blemished by that flat, plain look. Talk about a spreading computer "virus."

--JorgeA

JorgeA,
Fun-fact! The last time Microsoft based their website on an operating system was Windows Vista. Look how well that turned out? History is repeating itself.

Note: Not bashing Vista, just Metro.

This post has been edited by UltimateSilence: 14 May 2012 - 10:52 PM

[JorgeA]

UltimateSilence, on 14 May 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Fun-fact! The last time Microsoft based their website on an operating system was Windows Vista. Look how well that turned out? History is repeating itself.

Note: Not bashing Vista, just Metro.

UltimateSilence,

No kidding!? I never realized that, wow. Back in 2006-7 I wasn't nearly as attuned to tech developments as I am today, so MS's adopting the Vista look went right past me. <-- in this case not cool, but blind!

--JorgeA

[tsampikos]

Do these interesting apps, like the one above described, let you use Windows 8 by "disabling" the Metro UI from the start screen completely?

Microsoft should know that it's stupid to change a recipe that is successfull.

[UltimateSilence]

JorgeA, on 15 May 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

UltimateSilence, on 14 May 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Fun-fact! The last time Microsoft based their website on an operating system was Windows Vista. Look how well that turned out? History is repeating itself.

Note: Not bashing Vista, just Metro.

UltimateSilence,

No kidding!? I never realized that, wow. Back in 2006-7 I wasn't nearly as attuned to tech developments as I am today, so MS's adopting the Vista look went right past me. <-- in this case not cool, but blind!

--JorgeA

I think it is one of Microsoft's finest designs.
Sorry for going OT twice, mods.
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[MagicAndre1981]

Aloha, on 14 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

About the last part of my post you said you didn't understand, I'll try to make it clear now. I am talking about this:

Here is a tool which port the feature to Vista/7:

http://winaero.com/c...comment.news.13

Aloha, on 14 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

The monitor I'm using is only 19 inches in size with the default resolution of 1280x1024. When I play a game I have it run in fullscreen. When I watch a film, I enjoy it in fullscreen too. If I open Word or Excel, they are also in fullscreen. And when I am suffing the net, the browser is always open in maximize, not window. See?

for me it is the opoosite. I have large screens with higher resolutions (1920*1080 and 1920*1200) and fullscreens sucks. I only use fullscreen if I play a game (happens 1 times in a month) or watching a movie. All other times I never use fullscreen. And Metro on such large monitors only wastes space. I only have content in the middle and the is empty sapce on the left and right side. This is UNACCEPTABLE for me.

[xpclient]

Well Classic Shell is the best we have got at the moment. Hope Microsoft realizes that users don't want desktop Windows to be re-imagined and recovers for Windows 9.

This post has been edited by xpclient: 15 May 2012 - 12:06 PM

[JorgeA]

UltimateSilence, on 15 May 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

I think it is one of Microsoft's finest designs.

UltimateSilence,

Here's my exact reaction when I clicked on your illustration of a Vista-inspired web page:

"Oh, wow -- that's gorgeous! Look at those buttons. They have DEPTH..."

Thanks for sharing.

--JorgeA

[Aloha]

MagicAndre1981, on 15 May 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Here is a tool which port the feature to Vista/7:

http://winaero.com/c...comment.news.13

Thanks for posting. Will give it a try on W7, but not sure when! Maybe when I can't use W8 any more!

[xpclient]

The just released 3.5.1 version by Ivo Beltchev has an option to boot to desktop (slapping Metro on the way).

[-X-]

I can't find the setting for that.

[CharlotteTheHarlot]

xpclient,

Question: when you click the Start Button in Classic Shell, what message does it send to Ballmer and Sinofsky who are so busy watching the telemetry data from the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program?



It be great if the telemetry was configurable, perhaps a custom message. Just sayin'.

[CoffeeFiend]

CharlotteTheHarlot, on 30 June 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

what message does it send to Ballmer and Sinofsky who are so busy watching the telemetry data from the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program?

Everybody who has any common sense or knows how to use a computer turns that spyware off. Perhaps that's the very reason why they ended up creating Win8 too: they based everything on telemetry results from complete n00bs.

[JorgeA]

CoffeeFiend, on 30 June 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

CharlotteTheHarlot, on 30 June 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

what message does it send to Ballmer and Sinofsky who are so busy watching the telemetry data from the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program?

Everybody who has any common sense or knows how to use a computer turns that off. Perhaps that's the very reason why they ended up creating Win8 too: they based everything on telemetry results from complete n00bs.

Yeah, I always turn that off. I don't care for Microsoft (or anybody else, for that matter) keeping track of what I do on my computer.

OTOH, declining to participate in the CEIP may be (part of) the reason that we ended up with the Metro screen and no Start Button/Menu.

--JorgeA

This post has been edited by JorgeA: 30 June 2012 - 04:13 PM

[xpclient]

-X-, on 30 June 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

I can't find the setting for that.

For a clean install, it should be enabled by default. If you are viewing only Basic settings, scroll down on the Basic settings tab and look for the option called "Skip Metro screen". If you prefer viewing all settings, it appears as the first option on the "General Behavior" tab.