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The oem*.inf have different numbers in each Windows installation as different drivers are installed depending on your hardware. It means that the "oem10.inf" from your system will be different than the one used by bluebolt.


@bluebolt Could you tell us what exactly is your oem10.inf? You can just copy and paste its content here using the [ spoiler ] tag (as it may be quite long).

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The oem*.inf have different numbers in each Windows installation as different drivers are installed depending on your hardware. It means that the "oem10.inf" from your system will be different than the one used by bluebolt.


@bluebolt Could you tell us what exactly is your oem10.inf? You can just copy and paste its content here using the [ spoiler ] tag (as it may be quite long).


I've solved the problem by simply letting Win2k detect the drivers using Device Manager.
And one more thing, I've downloaded the latest daily UURollup for the HD Graphics Driver, because it needs blackwingcat's kernel.
It runs great, I got an initial BSOD when the HD graphics installed via the installer, but I used Windows' INF install method and it works great!
But I have to use QupZilla because the latest firefox turns all black when I start it up.

Edited by AnX, 20 March 2013 - 07:31 AM.


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After I run my W2K/IE6/WMP9/All Official Updates OS CD with integrated Intel Chipset Device Software (INF Update Utility) Dated 11/6/2012, there is no USB function. When I go into Device Manager (using the keyboard, thanks tomasz86), the USB Host Controller is set to its “currently installed, and recommended driver,” which is the “Intel 7 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller” located at c:\winnt\inf\oem5.inf. I then select the unrecommended choice instead, which is the “Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller” located at c:\winnt\inf\usb.inf, and I have USB function. Here’s what I find inside c:\winnt\inf\oem5.inf:

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As an experiment, I uninstalled the “USB 2.0 Root Hub” entries; predictably, I then lose USB function. However, when I reboot, Windows does its “searching, found new hardware, generic USB hub” routine, and I have USB function again, Windows having automatically detected the workable drivers. I don’t understand why it doesn’t do that in the first place.

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@AnX

But I have to use QupZilla because the latest firefox turns all black when I start it up.


Have you disabled the "Use hardware acceleration when possible" options in the ADVANCED>GENERAL tab in Firefox?

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@AnX

But I have to use QupZilla because the latest firefox turns all black when I start it up.


Have you disabled the "Use hardware acceleration when possible" options in the ADVANCED>GENERAL tab in Firefox?


I know that would work, but I need hardware acceleration whilst using Flash. This is a problem when using forceware drivers. I'm using Firefox 10, which works great with Adblock Plus, and will install Chrome soon.

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Firefox hardware acceleration and Flash hardware acceleration are separate things. You can have hardware acceleration enabled in Flash and disabled in the browser itself. The only browser where hardware acceleration seems to work fine in Windows 2000 is Chromium (and other browsers based on it) but there are several other issues with it.

Edited by tomasz86, 20 March 2013 - 10:00 PM.

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Firefox hardware acceleration and Flash hardware acceleration are separate things. You can have hardware acceleration enabled in Flash and disabled in the browser itself. The only browser where hardware acceleration seems to work fine in Windows 2000 is Chromium (and other browsers based on it) but there are several other issues with it.


OK. How can I disable Firefox's acceleration leaving other stuff running with it?

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After I run my W2K/IE6/WMP9/All Official Updates OS CD with integrated Intel Chipset Device Software (INF Update Utility) Dated 11/6/2012, there is no USB function. When I go into Device Manager (using the keyboard, thanks tomasz86), the USB Host Controller is set to its “currently installed, and recommended driver,” which is the “Intel 7 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller” located at c:\winnt\inf\oem5.inf. I then select the unrecommended choice instead, which is the “Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller” located at c:\winnt\inf\usb.inf, and I have USB function. Here’s what I find inside c:\winnt\inf\oem5.inf:

Spoiler


As an experiment, I uninstalled the “USB 2.0 Root Hub” entries; predictably, I then lose USB function. However, when I reboot, Windows does its “searching, found new hardware, generic USB hub” routine, and I have USB function again, Windows having automatically detected the workable drivers. I don’t understand why it doesn’t do that in the first place.


I'm thinking Intel hardwired their 6 Series/7 Series chipsets to not enable automatic installation of USB on Win2k. The reason being probably because of SP4's driver not being compatible with the chipset. They want to give the user a chance to install the updated usb drivers, and then, enable USB support the hard way. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.

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@AnX

But I have to use QupZilla because the latest firefox turns all black when I start it up.


Have you disabled the "Use hardware acceleration when possible" options in the ADVANCED>GENERAL tab in Firefox?


I know that would work, but I need hardware acceleration whilst using Flash. This is a problem when using forceware drivers. I'm using Firefox 10, which works great with Adblock Plus, and will install Chrome soon.


OK. How can I disable Firefox's acceleration leaving other stuff running with it?


Uncheck the option "Use hardware acceleration when possible" in Firefox in the OPTIONS> ADVANCED>GENERAL tab.
I have an older version installed right now, but I think it is in the same spot in the the later versions.. tomas86 or anybody can confirm.

Edited by Yffffonz, 21 March 2013 - 05:18 PM.


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I'm thinking Intel hardwired their 6 Series/7 Series chipsets to not enable automatic installation of USB on Win2k. The reason being probably because of SP4's driver not being compatible with the chipset. They want to give the user a chance to install the updated usb drivers, and then, enable USB support the hard way. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.

I'm 99% sure that they don't test their new hardware with Windows 2000 at all ;)

If it's not a problem a problem, could you (AnX or bluenote) try to install the system with only USP5.1 integrated this time (with no other updates or drivers) and see what happens?


Uncheck the option "Use hardware acceleration when possible" in Firefox in the OPTIONS> ADVANCED>GENERAL tab.
I have an older version installed right now, but I think it is in the same spot in the the later versions.. tomas86 or anybody can confirm.

I can confirm :w00t: The easiest way to disable hardware acceleration once a newer version of Firefox has been already installed and is unusable is to boot the system into VGA Mode, open Firefox and disable it then.

Edited by tomasz86, 21 March 2013 - 06:49 PM.

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I'm thinking Intel hardwired their 6 Series/7 Series chipsets to not enable automatic installation of USB on Win2k. The reason being probably because of SP4's driver not being compatible with the chipset. They want to give the user a chance to install the updated usb drivers, and then, enable USB support the hard way. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.

I'm 99% sure that they don't test their new hardware with Windows 2000 at all ;)

If it's not a problem a problem, could you (AnX or bluenote) try to install the system with only USP5.1 integrated this time (with no other updates or drivers) and see what happens?


Uncheck the option "Use hardware acceleration when possible" in Firefox in the OPTIONS> ADVANCED>GENERAL tab.
I have an older version installed right now, but I think it is in the same spot in the the later versions.. tomas86 or anybody can confirm.

I can confirm :w00t: The easiest way to disable hardware acceleration once a newer version of Firefox has been already installed and is unusable is to boot the system into VGA Mode, open Firefox and disable it then.


OK, I am upgrading to a newer firefox.

EDIT: I've done what you've said, and it works great! No black screen, no lag (like in firefox 10) it's awesome! :thumbup

Edited by AnX, 21 March 2013 - 07:05 PM.


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I can confirm :w00t: The easiest way to disable hardware acceleration once a newer version of Firefox has been already installed and is unusable is to boot the system into VGA Mode, open Firefox and disable it then.


Or just press and hold down the left shift key while launching FireFox, that'll launch it in safe mode and therefor will not have hardware acceleration enabled then. :)

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tomasz86: “try to install the system with only USP5.1 integrated this time (with no other updates or drivers) and see what happens”

I installed Windows 2000 using the Dropbox / Windows2000 / UnofficialSP5 / HFSLIP, with original W2KSP3 CD contents copied to the Source folder, and Service Pack 4 and Update Rollup 1 v.2 added to the HF folder.

There is no USB function during Windows Setup, or after.

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I installed Windows 2000 using the Dropbox / Windows2000 / UnofficialSP5 / HFSLIP, with original W2KSP3 CD contents copied to the Source folder, and Service Pack 4 and Update Rollup 1 v.2 added to the HF folder.

Please don't add anything to the HFSLIP package :no:

USP5.1 (w2ksp51.exe) is included in HF, and both SP4 and UR1 are already integrated in it. Adding them separately won't do any good. I don't even know if HFSLIP slipstreams USP5.1 at all in such a situation.

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About installing with just USP 5.1, that's what I did. (The CD installs a few necessary after updates afterwards, however USB driver does not change) After messing with the USB drivers, USB function became available. Then I installed UR2, UUR (daily) HD Graphics forceware, and all the other drivers off of the MoBo CD. But I can't find the management engine driver. (PCI Simple Communications Controller).

EDIT: This is a very minor problem, but ever since I've enabled PAE, I've been experiencing slight bit of lag during launching of resource hungry applications. However, it goes away instantly after the program loads.. I think we found a bug, Houston. :blushing:

However it might be that I am using PAE for so little. The problem might not come if I use more than 4GB of RAM. I'm not exactly sure. So, should I disable PAE?

And to make it worse, I'm getting out of memory errors on Sound recorder!!!

NEW EDIT: I've bit the bullet and disabled PAE (for now, will re enable it when I get 8GB of RAM) and the mystery lagging is gone. But Sound Recorder is still asking for memory when there is already plenty. I'm guessing we need the Win2k recorder back.

Edited by AnX, 22 March 2013 - 03:11 AM.


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Hmm, I've really got no idea why the drivers aren't installed properly during system setup (but work later after installing them again manually). Maybe analysing log files after system installation could help to find out what the culprit is.

You can use Unknown Device Identifier to look for Hardware IDs of the PCI Simple Communications Controller.

As for PAE, I've used it on my system with both 4GB and 8GB of RAM and haven't experienced any issues with system performance but it's all hardware and driver specific. Maybe one of the drivers doesn't work properly with PAE enabled and causes the lag? Are you 100% sure that the lag doesn't happen when PAE is disabled? How much memory do those applications use? Have you tried to add the "/3GB" switch to boot.ini like this?

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server" /fastdetect /3GB /PAE

And to make it worse, I'm getting out of memory errors on Sound recorder!!!

NEW EDIT: I've bit the bullet and disabled PAE (for now, will re enable it when I get 8GB of RAM) and the mystery lagging is gone. But Sound Recorder is still asking for memory when there is already plenty. I'm guessing we need the Win2k recorder back.

Do you mean sndrec32.exe? How about trying out this one instead?

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100% sure. No lag, at all. But I will try your /3GB ram trick.
And thanks for the Identifier, I'll run it and see what I get.

My drivers are fine. But some programs (g.g. Advanced SystemCare 6's Performance monitor) lag the system a bit. Nothing else. Sometimes the "System" process sucks up 80% of the CPU, and that's what causes the lag. But it does it for no reason at all.

Edit: The sound recorder you gave me also gives me the same problems, maybe cause I don't have a mic plugged in? :P
But in that case, it shouldn't have worked at all. I'll try it with a mic, and see the results.

NEW EDIT: I tried your /3GB trick and it just made things worse. Win2K had trouble logging on, the Explorer wouldn't load, and no other program worked. And I found out a different problem with PAE, when I go to standby, everything becomes unstable. So, back to no PAE.
Hibernation doesn't seem to work, it goes into hibernation and shuts off, but it doesn't resume. I never use hibernation, only standby, that too a couple of times.

Edited by AnX, 22 March 2013 - 10:24 PM.


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I've found a better way to check for hardware IDs in Windows 2000. Just open Computer Management and go here:

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Could you try to run the original Sound Recorder from SP4 and see if the problem persists?

It may be a driver (likely the graphics driver) to cause the instabilities when using standby with PAE enabled. Hibernation won't work with PAE enabled at all - that's a known limitation but standby should work in normal circumstances (it does in my system).

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I have uploaded two new test releases of UURollup-v11.

The first one is a new daily. I've added only one file which is Calculator (calc.exe) from Windows 2003 Server. I think that it just looks more elegant than the original one. The second one is a new weekly release. It's almost exactly the same as the previous daily but I've added an older version of urlmon.dll because the current one used in the daily releases is a Japanese file and the old one is in English. I've messaged blackwingcat about it.

I've also uploaded a new HFSLIP_ia.7z package. It utilises the new weekly release of UURollup-v11. The new UURollup-v11 weekly can be also safely installed over UURollup-v10d. It's actually very likely that it will be possible to finally release a stable version of UURollup-v11 soon :)

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I've found a better way to check for hardware IDs in Windows 2000. Just open Computer Management and go here

Could you try to run the original Sound Recorder from SP4 and see if the problem persists?

It may be a driver (likely the graphics driver) to cause the instabilities when using standby with PAE enabled. Hibernation won't work with PAE enabled at all - that's a known limitation but standby should work in normal circumstances (it does in my system).


Well, I am using an older version of the Intel HD Forceware, let me upgrade to the latest one and see if we have any difference.
EDIT: No difference, but interestingly I've launched Process Explorer and found the culprit: The Hardware Interrupt Process.
I might try some BIOS settings, I'll get back to you.

NEW EDIT: No luck. I think the only way to solve this problem is to buy a GPU. Do you think that would help?

And I'm very excited about the stable UURollup 11! :)

Edited by AnX, 23 March 2013 - 08:03 PM.


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First, tomasz86, thank you for your work on the Windows 2000 archive, and for this thread. I also want to express my appreciation for the contributions of others here, all of which has improved my knowledge of the W2K operating system and given me a better sense of its workings. You have helped make my Windows 2000 project seem, well, slightly less impossible. Thank you again.

My goal was to set up Windows 2000 Professional on modern hardware, specifically an Intel Sandy Bridge processor and a Z-77 motherboard, and I am now running such an installation. There are no unknown devices in Device Manager (with the caveat that I am using an X600 video card rather than the integrated graphics).

The problem I’m having concerns the lack of USB function during the installation process. Because of this, I have to use a PS/2 keyboard or mouse (and I do mean keyboard or mouse, because my motherboard has only one PS/2 connector). This means I plug in the keyboard during the text part of the install, then shut down the system via the keyboard, then change the keyboard out for the PS/2 mouse, then start it back up. From there, I am able to get into Device Manager to let Windows install the USB drivers (which are apparently there on the computer the whole time in c:\winnt\inf\oem10.inf) so that I can use a USB keyboard and mouse. Then everything’s fine.

Is there a way I can have USB function from the get-go? Because sometimes the system won’t recognize the PS/2 mouse during installation, and when that happens, I’m stuck. This has limited my ability to conduct experiments with others’ W2K installation files, for example the populated HFSLIP folders you make available through Dropbox.

Today I tested a new renesas USB PCI card, with an eye toward integrating its drivers into my W2K installation disc with nLite. But first I’m trying to simply install the card in the existing Windows enviroment, to see if it even works with W2K. So far, I have not been able to make the card work.

If someone has any ideas how to at least make the generic built-in USB drivers work automatically during the initial installation, I would really appreciate your sharing those ideas with me.


You need UUR-11. Then, download the latest Intel HD graphics from Blackwingcat, install, then re-install your PC driver (ACPI Multiprocessor PC) and reboot. Should work.
How much RAM does the system have, and have you tried PAE?

Edited by AnX, 24 March 2013 - 01:23 AM.


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I have run UURollup-v11 on existing installations, but I don’t know how to integrate that type of file into HFSLIP, and HFSLIP recently has not included the latest UUR… However, the new HFSLIP package tomasz86 mentions in post #469 does include version 20130323, so that may be my next experiment.

I have seen that BWC has an HD 4000 driver available, but I have not come across an HD 3000 driver (for Sandy Bridge), although I may have just missed it, as I have enough difficulty working through computer terminology in my own language, and I’m altogether ignorant of Japanese (sometimes it seems like Google Translate has the same problem).

I use 4x1GB RAM, no PAE.

Whatever the solution (to the problem of no USB function during W2K installation), I suppose it must be something that could be changed on the install CD (as fixing it after the fact is now easy).

tomasz86 has suggested “It may be necessary to modify the default drivers' INF files” (post #420), but also that “There's probably nothing that can be done” (post #408). Perhaps Intel will fix it (yes, that notion makes me laugh, too); then again, just a few months ago someone at Intel came up with the Intel Chipset Device Software (INF Update Utility) dated 11/06/2012 to work with Windows 2000 explicitly. One can hope.

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I have run UURollup-v11 on existing installations, but I don’t know how to integrate that type of file into HFSLIP, and HFSLIP recently has not included the latest UUR… However, the new HFSLIP package tomasz86 mentions in post #469 does include version 20130323, so that may be my next experiment.

I have seen that BWC has an HD 4000 driver available, but I have not come across an HD 3000 driver (for Sandy Bridge), although I may have just missed it, as I have enough difficulty working through computer terminology in my own language, and I’m altogether ignorant of Japanese (sometimes it seems like Google Translate has the same problem).

I use 4x1GB RAM, no PAE.

Whatever the solution (to the problem of no USB function during W2K installation), I suppose it must be something that could be changed on the install CD (as fixing it after the fact is now easy).

tomasz86 has suggested “It may be necessary to modify the default drivers' INF files” (post #420), but also that “There's probably nothing that can be done” (post #408). Perhaps Intel will fix it (yes, that notion makes me laugh, too); then again, just a few months ago someone at Intel came up with the Intel Chipset Device Software (INF Update Utility) dated 11/06/2012 to work with Windows 2000 explicitly. One can hope.


BWC's drivers support the HD 3000 too... :whistle:
And you can just install it instead of integrating it.

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Already tried installing BWC’s driver; didn’t work here. If someone’s actually used it successfully on a Sandy Bridge processor, I may give it another go.

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I think that I know why the driver may not work. It seems to caused be a bug in UURollup's installer :blushing:


@bluebolt Could you check file version of your HAL.DLL (%windir%\system32\hal.dll)?

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