[Tihiy]

Beta 7 is here - attached to first post
- Tray icon settings are stored separately for explorer7; wipe no longer needed
- Show Desktop button has slightly different style
- Windows start-up sound is always played

You must uninstall previous versions first to reset tray icon settings for the last time.

[MagicAndre1981]

nice

[tomasz86]

violative, on 11 September 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

Only 26 Downloads And I know Two are from me?? really people? This hack this the best, I like to think that most people are not downloading because they can't get the Windows shell files correctly. Happy coding and mods thanks for deleting some of my posts.

Probably not many forum users are using Windows 8

Guests are unable to download files.

[cad]

Thank You,
I have used a few other programs for this, and I must say this by far the best.

[FisoFizzy]

Yeah, it works (on es-ES)!
Now, I ve got a 7...

[ace1]

@Tihiy

Great work keep it up.

B.T.W You derserve all the credit for being able to enable aero glass in Win8RTM.
I know it not working GREAT BUT ITS A START.
I think you could make it work PROPERLY, I hope you will look into IT.
I will not be making any more POST

[Sheldon]

Thank you very much, Tihiy. It is just great!

I made a screenshot, so you know, it works fine:

This post has been edited by Sheldon: 15 September 2012 - 10:49 AM

[gnsks]

I have registered only to thank you for this, you've turned Windows 8 into something usable. It's working great for me so far, the only issue I had is that I had to unpin Windows Explorer from the taskbar, and pin it manually again because two instances were showing on the taskbar before that.

Thanks again.

[yatsura2k]

More thanks to Tihiy for making Win8 usable.

I do have a bug report though -
If you select a high-contrast theme it breaks the Personalization control panel,
preventing you from making further changes.

Yatsura

[JJerome]

isn't this in violation of the EULA? oh yes it is!

"- You may NOT repackage, translate, adapt, vary, modify, alter, create derivative works based upon, or integrate any other computer programs with, the Product in whole or in part."

"- You may NOT decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to discover the source code of the Product except to the extent that you may be expressly permitted to reverse engineer or decompile under applicable law."

Microsoft is not forcing anything on anyone, if you want to use a Start Menu, use Windows 7 or earlier. Or use a third-party program. I personally love the Start Screen. They (rightly) decided to move forward in Windows 8. Much like Windows 3.1 - > Windows 95.

Nevermind that the Start Screen still has instant search, pinning, and also live tiles, better screen estate, item grouping, etc.
If we had your way, we'd still be using the Program Manager.
They kept the new Start Menu until Windows 7. That gave it a good life of 8 years. Now we're on to bigger, better things.

When Windows 7 was in beta, adherents of the Classic Start Menu were told "it's time to move on", yet the same people who rebuked these adherents don't want to lose their Windows 7 Start Menu. Irony at its finest.

Oh and as for the people complaining about it being "hard to shutdown", do yourself a favor and press Alt+F4 while you're on the desktop.
If memory serves, you can create a shortcut in Windows 8 to shutdown or restart your computer. Place it on the desktop, taskbar, or pin it to the Start Screen.

To shutdown,
Shutdown.exe -s -t 00

To restart,
Shutdown.exe -r -t 00

Problem solved.

This post has been edited by JJerome: 17 September 2012 - 09:51 PM

[Kelsenellenelvian]

Considering YOU have to provide all files and then the program\scripts modify and patch the files on your computer ONLY then this is fully legal...

[Tihiy]

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"- You may NOT repackage, translate, adapt, vary, modify, alter, create derivative works based upon, or integrate any other computer programs with, the Product in whole or in part."

I didn't. Who use do, but adapting programs for personal use is absolutely legal in most countries.

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"- You may NOT decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer or otherwise attempt to discover the source code of the Product except to the extent that you may be expressly permitted to reverse engineer or decompile under applicable law."

You didn't. Someone else did (under applicable law), otherwise we wouldn't be having any kind of programs which change Windows UI.

This talk is pointless because my work is legal for me. For you, it is too, unless you have a law which explicely disallows this. Also it's pointless because you troll.

In other news, i didn't have time to work on project but hope to bring good news soon.

[JJerome]

From 18 September 2012 - 12:02 AM:

You didn't. Someone else did (under applicable law), otherwise we wouldn't be having any kind of programs which change Windows UI.

The user of your patch doesn't modify any Windows files, but someone else does for you. ...Isn't that a loophole?

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This talk is pointless because my work is legal for me. For you, it is too, unless you have a law which explicely disallows this.

Oh contraire. I wonder how Microsoft would feel about such an endeavor? Perhaps we should ask to make sure that it's O.K?

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Also it's pointless because you troll.

...One post is trolling? That's new.

This post has been edited by JJerome: 18 September 2012 - 12:31 AM

[tomasz86]

M$ EULA itself is probably illegal in most countries

[Tihiy]

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Oh contraire. I wonder how Microsoft would feel about such an endeavor? Perhaps we should ask to make sure that it's O.K?

You should. Also try to find a precedent of legal persecution for patching windows files to change ui with various programs.

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...One post is trolling? That's new.

Registering just to bash my work i consider trolling. Or obsessive agressive behavior, you call it.

[JJerome]

From 18 September 2012 - 12:58 AM:

You should. Also try to find a precedent of legal persecution for patching windows files to change ui with various programs.

Will do.
And I have no interest in legal persecution. I merely stated that it isn't (to my knowledge) legal.

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Registering just to bash my work i consider trolling. Or obsessive agressive behavior, you call it.

Please, I don't wish for you to misunderstand me. I've only come here to prevent another Windows from being panned. Your patch is to my objective...how do I put it delicately? A fly in the ointment.
Now on the surface, this appears to be a contradiction, since people may actually want to use Windows 8 due to your patch. However, sometimes a product becomes such a convenient whipping boy that we lose sight of what it really is... Windows 8 is maligned in the same way, and by the same crowd of clueless tech bloggers. Your patch gives the impression that the start menu is absolutely necessary for the operating system to be usable, not to mention throwing out Microsoft's hard work.

This post has been edited by JJerome: 18 September 2012 - 01:23 AM

[Tihiy]

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Windows 8 is maligned in the same way, and by the same crowd of clueless tech bloggers. Your patch gives the impression that the start menu is absolutely necessary for the operating system to be usable.

Ah so you hate everyone, not just me. That's good. Long story short, there is target audience for this product so there is point for it to exist. I agree it's technically not the best implementation possible, but it's good enough. Feel free to bash.

[hoak]

As someone that collaborated on a project that took a similar approach to what Tihiy is doing, that actually became a retail 'product' called 98lite, now hosted and still sold apparently here -- I can offer that we contacted numerous Attorneys and even Microsoft and no one felt there was ground for concern none less legal redress.

While Microsoft may have become a more litigious company since then, their attitude toward small independent projects, even those that make money and/or may walk a thin line of legality (like MDL) has ranged from benign curiosity to passive indifference.

Many Micrisoft Employees used Mark Russinovich's System Internals Tools before he was hired by the company which he sold (and did require substantial reverse engineering of Windows System Internals); as well even more Microsoft Employees use Nir Sofer's excellent tools and utilities today, some of which take a far more aggressive approach then anything Tihiy has done...

I can confidently report there are Microsoft employees that are as pleased with Tihiy's project as Fans in this thread, and if there is ever any contention over Tihiy's work he'd have probably heard from Micosoft already and will have a very generous notice if that changes...

This post has been edited by hoak: 18 September 2012 - 12:06 PM

[Joseph_sw]

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I wonder how Microsoft would feel about such an endeavor?

Actually MS already know, some member of this forum already try to post about Tihiy's excellent works on MS forums.
And their reaction? They delete it on sight, almost to made it never there.
And no, they not even bother to comment their feeling abot Tihy's works..

So, i'm trully suggest you ask them, again.

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not to mention throwing out Microsoft's hard work.

Hard work can be misguided though,
with many who find a way to circumvent the Metro or Start Screen (full-screen taskbar) floating in the net,
why can't MS take hints about it?

- How to disable Metro (now dubbed as Name-less Crap) Interface?
- Wheres my aero/glasses? why can't folk at MS take hints that Ugly-Fication is more DisTractIng than beautificaion? (as folk at MS want us to believe the otherwise?)
- Why are hell, I must use my computer like I use my tablet ?

MS Hard work should be directed at something more useful, not for crap like windows8 user-interface.

[Tripredacus]

Rest assured, Microsoft knows what goes on in this forum. If at any time they may find something on MSFN that is illegal, we will take care of it. No need to get angry about it.