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Hi all....

tn here. new to these forums but I have been reading so many threads,posts on what I wish to achieve but can't find a definate answer..

What I am wanting to do is have my XP drivers install automaticly. i.e Graphics,Audio,USB3, etc etc.
I am going to giva a simple example of what i have done and the reults I get.

using my si3132 driver only as an example. I am NOT trying to intergrate SATA drivers in TXTMODE...OK

This is a simple example.

I have my si3132 drivers.

si3132.cat
SI3132.inf
Si3132.sys
SilSupp.dll
SiRemFil.sys
SiWinAcc.sys
TxtSetup.oem


I have NOT compressed them and I have simply copied them into I386

I have edited DOSNET

[

Files];si3132 drivers pnp
d1,si3132.cat
d1,SI3132.inf
d1,Si3132.sys
d1,SilSupp.dll
d1,SiRemFil.sys
d1,SiWinAcc.sys
d1,TxtSetup.oem


I have edited TXTSETUP

[SourceDisksFiles];si3132 drivers pnp
si3132.cat = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
Si3132.sys = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SilSupp.dll = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SiRemFil.sys = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SiWinAcc.sys = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
TxtSetup.oem = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0


I have added these lines to WINNT

DriverSigningPolicy=Ignore
NonDriverSigningPolicy=Ignore
UpdateInstalledDrivers = Yes


With these edits I get no errors and the files are copied into Sytem32
But the drivers do NOT install and I need to manually update the drivers. The PC does find the drivers and it does install them but it is not what i am after.

So I was hoping somebody on here can point me in the right direction.

I do NOT like Nlite
I do NOT like DriverPacks

I do NOT like the OemPnPDriversPath=\Drivers way of doing things....

There must be away to do this. When I do a test using nLite to interhrate my si3132 drivers in PNP mode they do install automaticly. I can not find out what nLite is altering for this to happen...

There must be more code to write but I can not figure it out..

Does anybody know and can point me in the right direction.

I know XP is old.
I know I can simply install the drivers manually.

I like to mess though..

Cheers..


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Well

97 views but no replies... :no:

This means either I have not mangaged to make myself clear,or i am trying to do summet which is not possible.

Never mind. i will keep messing.

Seen another way for OemPnPDriversPath=\Drivers

This put the $OEM% folder inside of the I386 folder. I have always just put $OEM% into the cd root.
Hopefully this will make the "Drivers" folder not to be in C: ...I dont like it there and thats all I wanted to change really.... I would like it to be in C:\Windows\New Drivers.
This seems like a good place for drivers to live....Nice and neat out of the way....

Still doesn't help with why the drivers don't install automaticly though......

off to mess...

Edited by tnx, 25 July 2012 - 11:48 AM.


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You should try use the search function. There were many very useful topics about this in the past, ex:

http://www.msfn.org/...-to-driverscab/
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You should try use the search function. There were many very useful topics about this in the past, ex:

http://www.msfn.org/...-to-driverscab/


You know ,I had a little chuckle to mi sen with your link.

I must have read that particular thread about twenty times and infact it is the reason I joined these forums. Especially this post,

So, you want to install your drivers, huh?

Ok! It's getting a little difficult now. You first have to find out wich of your INF-Files will start the installation of your hardware (modem). Go to: Open the hardware dialog and start to install the drivers manually. Tell Windows to select the folder with the *.inf by yourself. Hopefully the hardware setup will select the right inf itself. Remember this inf file.

Open this inf file with notepad. How to proceed depends on what is stored in this file. Show me the whole content of this file and I think about how to execute the installation.

That post seemed to be regarding the info I wanted. After joining and posting my thread I sent that guy a PM refering him to his old post and pointing him to mine.
As yet I have heard nowt from him but to be honest I am not holding my breath that he will.
That thread is quite old.

Thank you for taking the time to find me that thread and indeed if you know of any others I may of mist please dont hesitateto let me know?

I know it looks like I am just jumping in but please believe me I have read lots of posts\threads on these forums which may have held info which could help me.

Edited by tnx, 25 July 2012 - 03:09 PM.


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I'll try to do some testing later (as I've originally planned to add some new drivers to the driver.cab in Win2k USP5.2) but I can see that you:

1) didn't compress the files
2) added to the txtsetup.sif:

si3132.cat = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
Si3132.sys = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SilSupp.dll = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SiRemFil.sys = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
SiWinAcc.sys = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
TxtSetup.oem = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0

How about changing it to this?

si3132.cat = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0
SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0
Si3132.sys = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0
SilSupp.dll = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0
SiRemFil.sys = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0
SiWinAcc.sys = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0
TxtSetup.oem = 1,,,,,,_x,2,0,0

Uncompressed files should have this "_x" there.

Edit: What's more important is that you also should specify the folders because "2" means %systemroot%\system32 while you definitely don't want *.sys (drivers) and *.inf go to that folder. You also probably won't need the txtsetup.oem file. Please check the "[WinntDirectories]" section in the txtsetup.sif.

Edited by tomasz86, 25 July 2012 - 04:28 PM.

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@tomasz86

Thanks for that reply. That is very interesting about using none compressed and compressed driver files. I had not read anything telling me to add an extra "_x". Most if not all all what have read used compressed. I think I will indeed switch back to using compressed files. i actually wrote a nice little .cmd to compress all file in a folder. Works really well,even i do say so my self...

Then onto what looks like the important bit,where the files live.
The structure which I posted on here was my very last attempt where i put all the files directly into i386.
Before this I had them all sat in a folder i386\NewDrivers\001 ( I did not leav a gap between New & Drivers cause I thought this would confuse the install ??? "i386\New Drivers" would be perfect

TXTSETUP
[WinntDirectories]
1980 = NewDrivers\001

[SourceDisksFiles];si3132 drivers pnp
si3132.cat = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Si3132.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
SilSupp.dll = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
SiRemFil.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
SiWinAcc.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
TxtSetup.oem = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0


DOSNET was edited too....

But I have not put .inf into i386 alone while all the other drivers into my chosen directory....

So let me see......

should the .inf go into both the i386\NewDrivers\001 and the i386 or just into i386.

then if it does go into just i386 i should have

SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0


and if it does go into both places i should have

SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
SI3132.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0


Plus DOSNET would need ammending to follow suit........

Will this mean then when the OS is installing the .inf will be picked up and it will be referenced to the rest of the files and the driver installed instead of just sitting there waiting for me.......

This sounds good......

I will check this out later.....I have jobs to do first...

Cheers tomasz86

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I'll try to test such a driver integration myself later but it's not easy as you need to do it on a real hardware to be sure that the drivers are indeed automatically installed. I'll remember this topic and reply back if I manage to find something out :)
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I'll try to test such a driver integration myself later but it's not easy as you need to do it on a real hardware to be sure that the drivers are indeed automatically installed. I'll remember this topic and reply back if I manage to find something out :)



Thanks for the intrest in this matter.

I am just about to test my latest version. testing it with LAN drivers though,just for a change..LOL...

I do my testing by burning to a disc and installing onto a machine. This way,as you say I can really see if it works,or not...

I have this.

Malc’s LAN Test #2

Driver Files List
netrtle.cat
Netrtle.inf
Rtenic.sys
Rtenicxp.sys
RtNicprop32.DLL
RTNUninst32.dll

Compress all drivers.

Make directory “i386\newdrivers\lan”
Copy all files excluding “Netrtle.inf” into “i386\newdrivers\lan”
Copy “Netrtle.inf” into “i386”

Edit DOSNET

[Directories]
d1980 = i386\newdrivers\lan

[Files];LAN Drivers
d1,Netrtle.inf
d1980,netrtle.cat
d1980,Rtenic.sys
d1980,Rtenicxp.sys
d1980,RtNicprop32.DLL
d1980,RTNUninst32.dll

Edit TXTSETUP

[WinntDirectories]
1980 = "i386\newdrivers\lan

[SourceDisksFiles];lan drivers
netrtle.cat = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Netrtle.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
Rtenic.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtenicxp.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
RtNicprop32.DLL = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
RTNUninst32.dll = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0


Just about to test...Fingers crossed..

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Well another disk hits the bottom of the bin. Good job they're cheap.

Only one file was going to be copied "Netrtle.inf"

I think this must come down to my

[SourceDisksFiles];lan drivers
netrtle.cat = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Netrtle.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
Rtenic.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtenicxp.sys = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
RtNicprop32.DLL = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0
RTNUninst32.dll = 1,,,,,,,1980,0,0


Can i ask what do you make of that...I have wrote it totally wrong.

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You should just use a USB flash disk for installation (as long as your motherboard supports USB booting). You don't waste CDs and the installation itself is MUCH faster :whistle:

http://www.msfn.org/...omusb-with-gui/
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? I thought that the additional Drivers Folder (and all Files) would have to follow 8.3 naming conventions?
newdrivers = 10-characters
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? I thought that the additional Drivers Folder (and all Files) would have to follow 8.3 naming conventions?
newdrivers = 10-characters
Or am I mistaken?



Ohhhh. I did not know that. So it could just be my file system is too long. I will try shortening it.

Cheers for that info.

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You should just use a USB flash disk for installation (as long as your motherboard supports USB booting). You don't waste CDs and the installation itself is MUCH faster :whistle:

http://www.msfn.org/...omusb-with-gui/



I have never managed to do this with XP. Will have to look hard at your link.

Cheers.

downloaded the files. Just gunna test it out now. On an image without owt added,one I know installs well...LOL...

If I can manage to get this to work,well that will be great. No more wasted discs......

Edited by tnx, 26 July 2012 - 04:15 PM.


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You should just use a USB flash disk for installation (as long as your motherboard supports USB booting). You don't waste CDs and the installation itself is MUCH faster :whistle:

http://www.msfn.org/...omusb-with-gui/



Quick question about this.

Once I have a usb drive setup with the XP files will I be able just to modify the files,TXTSETUP etc on the actual USb drive or will I have to run through the whole process of using WinSetupFromUSB each time....

just looking at the USB file structure,looks like I may be able to do that. mmmmmm, good....

off to test it right now...

Cheers...

Wellllllllll ..... How cool was that. Took less than half the time to install. That is guuna be great for me right now with all this messing about..

Thank you very much for showing me that....

Brilliant.

Edited by tnx, 26 July 2012 - 04:51 PM.


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Hi..

just done my latest test with my LAN Drivers.

I have made a Word doc with all the steps I took.

this : -

Malc’s LAN Test

Step 1:
Copy source files.
Windows XP Disc used: “en_windows_xp_professional_with_service_pack_3_x86_cd_x14-80428”

Step 2:
Create new driver folder structure,
“I386\NewDrvs\LAN”

Step 3:

Driver Files:
netrtle.cat
Netrtle.inf
Rtenic.sys
Rtenicxp.sys
RtNicprop32.DLL
RTNUninst32.dll

Compress all driver files.

Compassed Driver Files:
netrtle.ca_
Netrtle.in_
Rtenic.sy_
Rtenicxp.sy_
RtNicprop32.DL_
RTNUninst32.dl_

Copy driver file “Netrtle.in_” into “i386”
Copy driver files,”netrtle.ca_, Rtenic.sy_,Rtenicxp.sy_,RtNicprop32.DL_,RTNUninst32.dl_” into “i386\NewDrvs\LAN”

Step 4:

Edit DOSNET.inf

[Directories]
d11 = "\i386\NewDrvs\LAN"

[OptionalSrcDirs] <--------------> Goes under [RootBootFiles]
NewDrvs

[Files]; LAN Drivers
d1,Netrtle.inf
d11,netrtle.cat
d11,Rtenic.sys
d11,Rtenicxp.sys
d11,Rtnicprop32.dll
d11,Rtnuninst32.dll

Copy edited DOSNET.inf into “i386”

Step 5:

Edit TXTSETUP.sif
[SourceDisksNames.x86]
1980 = %cdname%,%cdtagfilei%,,"\i386\NewDrvs\LAN"

[WinntDirectories]
1980 = NewDrvs\LAN

[SourceDisksFiles.x86]; LAN Drivers
netrtle.cat = 1980,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Netrtle.inf = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0
Rtenic.sys = 1980,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtenicxp.sys = 1980,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtnicprop32.dll = 1980,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtnuninst32.dll = 1980,,,,,,,1980,0,0

Copy edited TXTSETUP.sif into “i386”


Just installed from USb ( i love this ) and got this result.

to recap there are six driver files

netrtle.cat
Netrtle.inf
Rtenic.sys
Rtenicxp.sys
RtNicprop32.DLL
RTNUninst32.dll


The

Netrtle.inf

was copied into "i386"

The remaining files were copied to my "NewDrvs\LAN" folder.

However the drivers were not installed automaticly and I needed to update the drivers and browse to find them all....

I have not tested having ALL the drivers added to NewDrvs\Lan and having the "Netrtle.inf" copied into "i386" as well...


I dont know what i am missing or where I am going wrong. With looking at my procedure can you spot any mistakes ?

Cheers...

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I have just this second rwad summet...From this thread
http://www.msfn.org/...p2/page__st__20

FullUnattended
Specifies a fully unattended GUI-mode Setup. If you do not specify a required Setup answer in the answer file, Setup generates an error.

During an attended Setup, improperly signed hardware drivers generate a warning dialog box. If UnattendMode = FullUnattended, then Setup does not install hardware drivers unless they are properly signed.


With my lates test i used

[Unattended]
UnattendMode=ProvideDefault


With every other test I have used

[Unattended]
UnattendMode=FullUnattended


Could either of these be causing a problem...

On the very last test i DID NOT add

[Unattended]
DriverSigningPolicy=Ignore
NonDriverSigningPolicy=Ignore


When it came to updating my drivers manually and browsing for them i DID get the driver unsigned error pop up...

Any pointers on the correct WINNT.sif setting for installing drivers ?


Listen......

Sorry if I am going on a bit with this..... :angel

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It will be probably more difficult then you think ;)

INF files should go to %systemroo%\INF, not to system32. You drivers have got a CAT file so they are probably digitally signed.
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It will be probably more difficult then you think ;)

INF files should go to %systemroo%\INF, not to system32. You drivers have got a CAT file so they are probably digitally signed.



Ahhh. This is a good bit of info which I did not know.
So I should just ave my .inf copied there. Will look carefully how to do this.

Cheers.

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It will be probably more difficult then you think ;)

INF files should go to %systemroo%\INF, not to system32. You drivers have got a CAT file so they are probably digitally signed.



Well i have just done another test.

I have this TXTSETUP entries,

[SourceDisksNames.x86]
1980 = %cdname%,%cdtagfilei%,,"\i386\NewDrvs\LAN"

[SourceDisksFiles.x86]; LAN Drivers
netrtle.cat = 100,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Netrtle.inf = 100,,,,,,,20,0,0
Netrtle.inf = 100,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtenic.sys = 100,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtenicxp.sys = 100,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtnicprop32.dll = 100,,,,,,,1980,0,0
Rtnuninst32.dll = 100,,,,,,,1980,0,0


I was wondering about "%systemroo%\INF" and noticed in the TXTSETUP,

[WinntDirectories]
1 = "\"
2 = system32
3 = system32\config
4 = system32\drivers
5 = system
7 = system32\ras
9 = system32\spool
10 = system32\spool\drivers
11 = system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\3
12 = system32\spool\prtprocs
13 = system32\spool\prtprocs\w32x86
14 = system32\wins
15 = system32\dhcp
16 = repair
17 = system32\drivers\etc
18 = system32\spool\drivers\w32x86
19 = system32\drivers\disdn
20 = inf
21 = Help


20 = inf


Now I thought this must have been the place for the .inf file to go. Thats where I got

Netrtle.inf = 100,,,,,,,20,0,0


However after the drivers did NOT install automaticly I went tracking down C:\Windows\INF ( Hidden folder ) and could NOT find my file in there. It was in "System32 folder"
Now this has stumped me a bit...........

JUST THIS SECOND REALISED !!!!!!!!!!

It copied the file into System32 because of the frst number "2"........... "2 = System32"
"20 = inf"

It took no notice of the zero in 20 = inf....

Right..In that case what code do I have to write to copy the files into inf folder.......

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It's a typo. tomasz86 missed a letter. He meant: %systemroot%\INF, of course, which is the same as %windir%\INF.

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Well after a few failed attemts I am no further to solving this.
What ever i put in the TXTSETUP my .inf file always ends up in Sytem32,

After an install I look in Windows\inf and I selected Battey.inf. on the install cd this file lives in I386 and its TXTSETUP entry is battery.inf 100,,,,,,,20,0,0 and fter the install completes thats where it lives.

When I write the same for my file it does not work neither does 1980,,,,,,,20,0,0

I have my source folder set as 1980.

Getting realy stumped.

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Hi...

Update...

Well been messing for the last couple of days and still coming up short. Buttttttt. Well the last install I have had just done got me thinking. I Told the drivers to update. I had to manually browse to find my .inf file.....I stopped...

I manually copies the .inf into Windows\INF. Then I went back to update the drivers,this time I had to browse to find the containing folder but I did notice it was trying to find them in System32. I stopped..

I manually copied the rest of the files into Sytem32. I then went back to update the drivers. I did not have to browse for any files,the PC found them all by it's self. This tells me thats where they should live. I now think the .inf file should be copied from the cd and installed into Windows\inf and the rest of the files should be copied into System32.
I should forget all about my "New Drivers" destination folder. It is clearly not working and concentrate on installing all my files to where i just spoke about.

One way of installing the .inf file could be $OEM$\$$\INF.

Well I already install to Sytem32 my OEMINFO.ini and OEMLOGO.bmp via $OEM$\$$\System32 so would it be just has easy to sling my driver files,uncompressed into the same folder....

Only one way to test this out i suppose......

Gunna do it right now. Will report back.

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That was interesting.

It sort of worked. The PC picked up my .inf and started to install the drivers but I stll had to manually browse for them..

obviously it was never going to be so easy but a fun little experiment none the less.

Been reading all sorts of posts here there and every where,with some conflicting ideas too.
I am thinking i am nearly there. I am playing all the right notes but not in the right order....Yet ! ( Little reference to Morcambe and Wise there. ) :whistle:

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Just a thought...

You might need to change the path of [SourceDisksNames] within the .inf so that it knows where to find the files...
Just take a look what is the current string. Here is one site for a general description of SourceDisksNames.

To be frank, I don't really know much how to go about it but it is good you are trying to see what works. Keep us posted. :thumbup

An idea comes to my mind. How about use 3rd party program to save, then restore later.
I come to know of this program from Seven forum because someone mention it there. DriverBackup! 2.1
It requires .Net 2 framework to run
Support commandline restore operation. (maybe this is what you want)
Personally, I have not tested it so can't say if it works as stated.

Edited by Geej, 30 July 2012 - 09:51 PM.


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Just a thought...

You might need to change the path of [SourceDisksNames] within the .inf so that it knows where to find the files...
Just take a look what is the current string. Here is one site for a general description of SourceDisksNames.

To be frank, I don't really know much how to go about it but it is good you are trying to see what works. Keep us posted. :thumbup


Thanks for the link there. Not seen that one before,logged it. my list of sites is getting really long now. In there somwhere is the answer...

Gunna definatly have a look inside my .inf file. this is summet new so hopefully helpful..

Cheers...




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