[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Is there a way to clone/image hard drive so it can be move to another HD without installing any 3rd party software? Something like XCOPY

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 10 August 2012 - 12:44 PM

[IcemanND]

Assuming a Windows machine I would use Robocopy not xcopy. And as long as the source drive has no files in use it should work fine. Most of your disk cloning software will do this also when booted from external media.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Thanks

Here what I'm doing. I want to install WinXP on and 40gb IDE hard drive.
After fully updated with patches and software, I want to move it to a sata hard drive (caddy) with a IDE interface.
I hate to install software and only have to use it once. I will do this procedure with a couple of SATA drives, so
all I have to do is change the HD thats in the caddy.

[jaclaz]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 07 August 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Thanks

Here what I'm doing. I want to install WinXP on and 40gb IDE hard drive.
After fully updated with patches and software, I want to move it to a sata hard drive (caddy) with a IDE interface.
I hate to install software and only have to use it once. I will do this procedure with a couple of SATA drives, so
all I have to do is change the HD thats in the caddy.

Please define "install".
Many of the solutions provided are about boot-CD's or bootable USB sticks or floppy.
You NEVER, and I mean NEVER image a disk/volume that is in use (unless you use Shadow Copy services).

jaclaz

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I want to install WinXP on the C drive from a CD. Once it has been updated,
I will remove the CD rom caddy and add a SATA HD caddy with an IDE interface. I want to copy/clone/image whatever etc.......
from the C drive to the D drive. I doNOT want to install any 3rd party apps to accomplish this. Thanks

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 07 August 2012 - 01:13 PM

[jaclaz]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 07 August 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

I want to install WinXP on the C drive from a CD. Once it has been updated,
I will remove the CD rom caddy and add a SATA HD caddy with an IDE interface. I want to copy/clone/image whatever etc.......
from the C drive to the D drive. I doNOT want to install any 3rd party apps to accomplish this. Thanks

Well, you CANNOT (within the limits of the self - limitations you imposed yourself).

You need to boot the machine to ANOTHER OS (that contains the needed tools), this can also be a "dual boot" with a "hidden, recovery like" partition on the main hard disk.

So, in any case you NEED a "third party tool", whether this needs to be "installed" or not, is another thing.

Please spend some time reading here:
http://homepage.ntlw...red-banana.html
as right now you are slipping on a chocolate covered banana .

jaclaz

[Ponch]

jaclaz, on 08 August 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

You need to boot the machine to ANOTHER OS (that contains the needed tools)

I think this sticks to his request of not installing any software (supposedly "on his C: drive that he's going to clone, before cloning").

[dencorso]

I have three questions, please bear with me :
I) What's the size of the SATA HDD you intend to move the XP installation to?
II) Do you intend to install XP on a machine having as internal HDDs the 40 GB IDE drive alone, or there'll be other internal HDDs present?
III) I understand you'll be using a CD\DVD drive in a caddy with a SATA to IDE converter, so the caddy will be connected to one of the internal IDE ports... So, to which port will it be connected, and will it be alone as Secondary Master or as Primary Slave, together with the 40GB HDD (which in this case would be the Primary Master)?

[cdob]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 07 August 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

Is there a way to clone/image hard drive so it can be move to another HD without installing any 3rd party software?

Use NTBackup. Backup data to a temp file and restore data.

http://www.microsoft...s.mspx?mfr=true
http://support.micro...kb/302894/en-us
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTBackup

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Ponch, on 08 August 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

I think this sticks to his request of not installing any software (supposedly "on his C: drive that he's going to clone, before cloning").

Exactly

dencorso, on 08 August 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

I) What's the size of the SATA HDD you intend to move the XP installation to?

120 GB

dencorso, on 08 August 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

II) Do you intend to install XP on a machine having as internal HDDs the 40 GB IDE drive alone, or there'll be other internal HDDs present?

There will be two drives, on the 40gb Win98 and on the 120gb WinXP.

dencorso, on 08 August 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

III) I understand you'll be using a CD\DVD drive in a caddy with a SATA to IDE converter, so the caddy will be connected to one of the internal IDE ports... So, to which port will it be connected, and will it be alone as Secondary Master or as Primary Slave, together with the 40GB HDD (which in this case would be the Primary Master)?

No, I have to remove the CD rom caddy in order to run the SATA caddy with XP on the partition.
Win98 will be the Primary/Master, WinXP will be the Secondary/Slave.
I would like to install WinXP first on the SATA and then Win98.
The only way to do that is, to install it on the 40gb from the CD and then clone/image/ghost etc.... to the 120gb.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 08 August 2012 - 08:01 AM

[submix8c]

Does this help?

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

submix8c, on 08 August 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Does this help?

No, thanks anyway. Is it possible to use something like a command line tool. I just don't want to install any software.

[jaclaz]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 08 August 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

submix8c, on 08 August 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

Does this help?

No, thanks anyway. Is it possible to use something like a command line tool. I just don't want to install any software.

Since you have no CD, would you have either among:

• a floppy
  
• a USB stick/hd
  
• PXE booting

Otherwise you will need to "install" (actually there is NO NEED to "install" but you will have to accept that a third party tool exists on your hard disk or OS volume) a boot manager like grub4dos (and from it load *any* other third party tool in the form of either a floppy disk image, a CD image or a (small) hard disk image).

Most probably the easiest tool would be partition saving:
http://www.partition-saving.com/

jaclaz

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

jaclaz, on 08 August 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Since you have no CD, would you have either among:

• a floppy
  
• a USB stick/hd
  
• PXE booting

Otherwise you will need to "install" (actually there is NO NEED to "install" but you will have to accept that a third party tool exists on your hard disk or OS volume) a boot manager like grub4dos (and from it load *any* other third party tool in the form of either a floppy disk image, a CD image or a (small) hard disk image).

Most probably the easiest tool would be partition saving:
http://www.partition-saving.com/

jaclaz

I do have some USB flash drives. 8gb and 16gb. No floppy drive. I don't know what PXE booting is. The laptop does not boot USB flash drives if it helps.

[submix8c]

Hmmm... you can't clone a "running" XP. No way. HIVES are actively being accessed. The rationale behind the removing the Registry Entries is the fact that XP stores the HDD info in it and it will (probably) not boot to the cloned drive because it still (in those REG entries) "sees" the Original HDD as the Device on which it's installed. XXCOPY weighs in at approx. 550kb.

jaclaz might suggest Plop Booting maybe?

Since you have ONE attachable CD, maybe you could (RAM permitting) load a LiveXP from it into RAM which would allow for disconnect-CD/reconnect-HDD for the "clone" operation. Been doing this for about a year now (using a HDD "image", a not-really-SDI-image BOOT.SDI), both USB and CD. This is how I "beat" a laptop having the same situation as you (no CD, no Floppy, but DID boot from USB).

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

submix8c, on 08 August 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Hmmm... you can't clone a "running" XP. No way. HIVES are actively being accessed. The rationale behind the removing the Registry Entries is the fact that XP stores the HDD info in it and it will (probably) not boot to the cloned drive because it still (in those REG entries) "sees" the Original HDD as the Device on which it's installed. XXCOPY weighs in at approx. 550kb.

jaclaz might suggest Plop Booting maybe?

Since you have ONE attachable CD, maybe you could (RAM permitting) load a LiveXP from it into RAM which would allow for disconnect-CD/reconnect-HDD for the "clone" operation. Been doing this for about a year now (using a HDD "image", a not-really-SDI-image BOOT.SDI), both USB and CD. This is how I "beat" a laptop having the same situation as you (no CD, no Floppy, but DID boot from USB).

I wouldn't mind using Robocopy or XXcopy since I can just delete the file.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 08 August 2012 - 10:09 AM

[submix8c]

Nonetheless, under the constraints you've given (only one XP installed on C-drive and no other CD than attachable and no floppy or bootable USB) you're kind of stuck. You'll STILL need some method of copying a NON-RUNNING XP to the External. Hence the link I gave (see "H.- HOW TO CREATE A SECOND WINDOWS XP BY COPYING THE EXISTING ONE").

If you had a dual-boot (e.g. a second XP installed and running with independent PageFiles) it would be possible to clone the first install to the External. Hence the suggestion of a Winbuilder/LiveXP In-RAM.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I'm pretty much screwed then, unless I use a 3rd party app. Looks like I'm screwed. Thanks guys.

[submix8c]

??? Are you referring to WinBuilder? It's not an "installable" item. Unpack, use it, test the result, when satisfied, delete it.

Your alternative is to create a SECOND XP, boot to it, and copy the FIRST one, as specified. After booting to Extenal, one can RECLONE it back after redefining the partition(s) on the original. MBRFIX is a simple program and included in the WinBuilder Stable releases.

You're only "screwed" because you want to clone a RUNNING XP. No biggie, just a little extra effort to boot to "something/anything else". Not sure if a LiveLinux would do any good (don't use them, but...).

edit - for second XP you could maybe repartition using Gparted Live.

This post has been edited by submix8c: 08 August 2012 - 10:43 AM

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

I think I may have a better way. I have a StarTech USB to SATA and IDE adapter.
If I install WinXP on the IDE drive and remove it from the laptop, then connect it to another laptop along with the 120gb SATA drive using my StarTech USB to SATA and IDE adapter. Can it be done this way? Please list instructions if possible.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 08 August 2012 - 11:09 AM