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Okay I've tried googling this site for a few different things and the results that I come across either don't appear to address what I'm looking for or it seemed confusing or the answer wasn't clear (not to me at least). So I'll go over what I'm looking for with the questions at the end.

I have an MSI Wind U100 netbook. It came with XP Home (OEM of course) and had a recovery volume along with 2 discs (one is a DVD, not sure if the other is a DVD or a CD but that's not important). Since it doesn't have a built in DVD rom, an external one is needed (which I have and used recently). Had to do a reinstall because the hard drive was starting to fail. Got a 320gb from NewEgg (WD3200BEKT for $59.99) to replace the 160gb (WD1600BEVT) and decided to install XP pro using one of a few keys I have (320gb 7200/16m vs 160gb 5400/8mb :w00t:). I used nLite to slipstream in the SATA drivers from the recovery DVD (mentioned above) and where possible, I also added in drivers that didn't get installed via self installers. I know it's possible to do automated runs of the other installers but I'm not looking to get super fancy with it so decided I'd install those after the process (NBD). From that I used WinSetupFromUSB to make a bootable USB drive to do the install. After the install and then entering in a product key, I did all the necessary (and some optional) updates.

Okay everything seems great except, as Paul Harvey would say, here's "the rest of the story."

I had tried to create a partition on the new drive (at the end) to act as a recovery/installer partition. From what I can tell, it HAS to be a primary partition (easy enough). I was hoping to build it to be an installer for XP pro and 7 pro (32bit on both) so I could have a choice of which to run. However when trying to run the XP installer, I'd run into issues. First was a BSOD of 0x7b which I believe was from the fact that I hadn't yet streamed in the SATA drivers. So pulled everything apart to get the drive out, mounted it in my main system, updated the files, tried again and still more issues. Okay so after some frustration, just broke down and did it from the USB. I also tried to use EasyBCD to try to do things but to no avail.


So now the questions...

1. Is nLite still the popular/main/recommended method of customizing XP installs? If not, what is? (I'll admit I didn't really do a search on this but the 'read me first' topic mentioned nLite but not anything else so I'm going to guess that nLite is the way to go unless told otherwise).

2. Is there a 'fool proof' way of creating a install/recovery partition that will allow me to choose which OS to install?

3. I know there's a list somewhere of KB updates for XP on this site and I'm sure I can find it if I look for it but the question is this.. Is the list solely updates that are valid for 'all' XP products or does the list include updates for optional add-ons (dotNet updates for example). What I'm wanting to do is to have a list of updates that I would need if I were to install everything from a FPP disc of XP Pro/SP3 but nothing else. ie, no custom devices, optional installs like IE8, etc. Idea being that I want to create my own concept of a "SP4" ISO so if I need to reinstall the OS on the netbook, it'll require fewer updates to be caught up. Granted, I'll have some extras in there as well such as certain drivers, but would like to create a 'SP4' ISO that I can build off of.

4. I'm so used to 7 and haven't been tinkering with XP in so long that I've forgotten, how do I disable NumLock On inside of XP during boot? I had toggled it to be on via nLite, forgetting that it turns part of the keyboard into the numpad. So you can imagine that it can be annoying when it boots up and numlock is enabled. Also it seems to turn off by itself, which is weird, but would like to ensure it's set to not be on during boot.

5. Is there somewhere that I can download an OEM version of XP Pro w/SP3? I don't mean from a torrent but rather a link to download from someplace like DigitalRiverContent.net, so that I know I'm getting a clean copy.


Now to go re-learn how to use the $OEM$ folder while waiting for replies...


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1. yes

5. that would be illegal to write here
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5. that would be illegal to write here

If it's hosted on msdn.digitalrivercontent.net then it's legit, it's put there by Microsoft so it wouldn't be illegal. There may be another domain or two that are legal/legit but digitalrivercontent.net is the only one I'm aware of.

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1 - Nlite was and is still the best tool for this.
2 - There are a lot of method and one of them is almost the same than the one used for win7: install a winpe on this partition and when triggered, the restore operation will overwrite the target partition with a wim containing XP partition.
3 - Yes there is a list security related updates provided by -X- but it doesn't contain all existing updates like dotnet related or hotfixes by request provided by Microsoft.
4 - The reg entry initialkeyboardindicator should help you but remember that there is more than one in your case and you'll have to set all values to 0 to fix the numlock problem.
5 - Microsoft can't provide for download OEM version but they provide retail version on your msdn/open account. You might ask your manufacturer if you 're downgrading from windows 7 as sometimes they are providing this service for free. But from what you said, if the laptop had XP home OEM, then you can't ever find a legal XP PRO OEM to replace it.

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Thanks...

1. Since the last update for it was in 2009 (I think it said 2009, could have been 2008), I wanted to ask to be sure that a new tool hadn't come out in place of it. Is it also used for Win7 or is there a separate tool for that?
2. Will look into that, thanks.
3. A list that is limited to updates only for a pure XP install (content only found on a vanilla XP w SP3 disc) is exactly what I'm looking for, so if that's what the list is, then it's perfect.
4. Will read, thank you.
5. I thought perhaps Microsoft might provide a vanilla OEM ISO, where a distributor could add in stuff before using it for customers. I know somewhere I have an OEM disc of XP w SP2, just a matter of finding it.

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5. Is there somewhere that I can download an OEM version of XP Pro w/SP3? I don't mean from a torrent but rather a link to download from someplace like DigitalRiverContent.net, so that I know I'm getting a clean copy.


You already know the answer to this because you typed it but you won't find the links here, at least I have never seen anyone post them or even discuss them. Ask a mod before going any further on this question.

But 'the truth is out there', somewhere. Complete with hashes to verify as authentic, official and untouched.

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5. I thought perhaps Microsoft might provide a vanilla OEM ISO, where a distributor could add in stuff before using it for customers. I know somewhere I have an OEM disc of XP w SP2, just a matter of finding it.

Microsoft provide OEM disc/iso to the OEM and never to end users and sometimes manufacturers put it in the package you get with the computer along with the recoveryCD. Finding an OEM disc might not be that trivial as like all OEM disc is protected: For example an HP windows OEM disc won't work on a DELL (except in some rare cases) as it was designed like this even if you remove the HP drivers/customization and add the DELL's ones.

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you can imagine that it can be annoying when it boots up and numlock is enabled. Also it seems to turn off by itself, which is weird

If you have more than 1 user and do not have autologon enabled, you first come in the "default" profile, then after entering password (if any), you come in your own profile, that can explain your impresion of "weird" behaviour. So to complete allen2's answer, you also have to change the same registry value in HKU\.DEFAULT\...

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Microsoft provide OEM disc/iso to the OEM and never to end users and sometimes manufacturers put it in the package you get with the computer along with the recoveryCD. Finding an OEM disc might not be that trivial as like all OEM disc is protected: For example an HP windows OEM disc won't work on a DELL (except in some rare cases) as it was designed like this even if you remove the HP drivers/customization and add the DELL's ones.

Not really. :no:
OEM discs are of two "kinds":
  • the "BIG" OEM's like HP, Dell :ph34r: and the ike
  • the "small" OEM
See:
http://www.tek-tips....qs.cfm?fid=4004

While the first are "modified" to work on a given machine and often will have a protection, slic or whatever, the second one are "normal" XP discs, but coming with a OEM license (and an OEM serial).

The OEM license simply "ties" the license to the actual piece of hardware bought with it, there are (or at least were) a lot of places where yu could buy an OEM disc and original license togeter with a floppy disk or a stick of Ram....

Selling an OEM license with a "trivial" piece of hardware is already "stretching a bit" the terms, but there are a lot of XP OEM's sold even without any hardware.

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5 - An XP Pro "OEM-Specific" ("Royalty") doesn't exist "for sale" - only the "Generic" ("Mom and Pop") with a single key (as jaclaz stated above). "Royalty" (e.g. Dell, HP) AFAIK utilize the "generic", purchase n-Number of COA keys (with associated COA stickers), "modify" specific files (software and "how" is obviously classified and we don't know here), generally create a "Restore" partition with an Image for a specific Hardware using the Royalty Key, "roll" the Image out to that Hardware, and attach the COA Sticker to it. If you're lucky, you'll get a CD/DVD along with it (like the ones you have - one Restore, one Driver).

If you have an FPP CD with key(s) I suggest you stick with that or else use the XP Home OEM DVD instead (already "prepped" for pre-activation undoubtedly). One might question why you want an OEM image based upon that.

I hesitate to give any info on the possibility of "creating" an XP Pro OEM (generic or otherwise) as that's borderline illegal. Besides the fact that, as stated, a Generic still requires a single Legitimate "you have to activate" key (same as your FPP) and the Royalty requires the "special pre-activate" key, noting that Home/Pro OEM-Royalty/OEM-Generic/FPP keys are different in all cases.

If you're that dead-set on it, you'll have to scrounge for what you need elsewhere. However, hints here and here.

Interesting reading -
http://technet.micro...y/bb457054.aspx
http://technet.micro...y/bb457078.aspx

Just an FYI to (semi-)clarify. All other points answered. Proceed and make a new Topic for whatever legitimate hurdles you may encounter in the appropriate subforum. Note: Beware the "generic" OEM ones sold on the "open market" (as told by jaclaz) as they MAY have bad key AND be "fakes" (and are disappearing fast on e.g. Amazon, Newegg, etc.) - eBay and Craigslist may or may not be "safe".

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Microsoft provide OEM disc/iso to the OEM and never to end users and sometimes manufacturers put it in the package you get with the computer along with the recoveryCD. Finding an OEM disc might not be that trivial as like all OEM disc is protected: For example an HP windows OEM disc won't work on a DELL (except in some rare cases) as it was designed like this even if you remove the HP drivers/customization and add the DELL's ones.


Not really. :no:
OEM discs are of two "kinds":
  • the "BIG" OEM's like HP, Dell :ph34r: and the like
  • the "small" OEM


Clarification. There are three "OEM" type discs.

1. The popularly known one, aka channel media, is DSP (as noted on that site)... This is commonly a hologram disc and comes with a COA that does not have a company's name on it. For example, XP Pro SP2 (X10-59871) can unlock with an X14 COA. Some Technet or MSDN subscribers can download this OS type from their download center. This type also appears on the secondary market, or can be purchased from a VAR (computer shop) with a qualifying piece of hardware.

2. There is the OEM Recovery CD/DVD that has a company's name on it, and restores a BIOS-locked installation. These discs commonly do additional hardware checks, for example a Compaq XP Recovery CD may refuse to install on Dell hardware. Most companies will sell a copy of the recovery CD to a user but only if the user can confirm they have qualifying hardware. These CDs often appear on the secondary market.

3. The last is the CD that Microsoft sends to the OEM/System Builder to create both the OS and the recovery CD. These discs are white and are stamped with "Confidential." Users with appropriate Microsoft Partner accounts may have access to download this type of media from Microsoft. I have not seen this media type in the secondary market, likely because its resale (like Intel Confidential hardware) is illegal.

#3 here is what allen2 is referring to.
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Much better clarification! :thumbup

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I hesitate to give any info on the possibility of "creating" an XP Pro OEM (generic or otherwise) as that's borderline illegal. Besides the fact that, as stated, a Generic still requires a single Legitimate "you have to activate" key (same as your FPP) and the Royalty requires the "special pre-activate" key, noting that Home/Pro OEM-Royalty/OEM-Generic/FPP keys are different in all cases.

If you're that dead-set on it, you'll have to scrounge for what you need elsewhere. However, hints here and here.

From the responses I'm getting, I apparently wasn't very clear with a certain point that I mentioned. I already have an OEM key and SOMEWHERE around here I have an OEM disc of XP pro w SP2 (purchased from a computer store, I believe with the purchase of a HD, but may have been with something else, it's been awhile since the purchase). Without that disc or an ISO (OEM of SP2 or SP3), the key is useless. When I mention about an OEM image, I'm referring to a generic one, not one for a specific computer. I know I can't use the product key that is provided with the netbook because, for one thing among others, it's for XP home. I prefer to have Pro, so I get additional functionality. My desire for an ISO of an OEM version is simply to be able to make use of the legit key that I already have, instead of it going unused and thus being wasted.

As for the generic bad/fake keys, trust me, I only obtain keys from sources I know are legit. The computer store that I got the key from, I had been going to for a few years for various things. They're still in business (last I checked), but they've since moved to another location (further away) and I haven't needed their services. Basically, if anyone were to ask about them, I'd mention that I've had good experiences with them, just that I don't go there anymore.



Clarification. There are three "OEM" type discs.

1. The popularly known one, aka channel media, is DSP (as noted on that site)... This is commonly a hologram disc and comes with a COA that does not have a company's name on it. For example, XP Pro SP2 (X10-59871) can unlock with an X14 COA. Some Technet or MSDN subscribers can download this OS type from their download center. This type also appears on the secondary market, or can be purchased from a VAR (computer shop) with a qualifying piece of hardware.

This is how I got mine. I remember comparing it to a FPP disc and found out that there were only a few files that were different (like 3 or 4 small files). From what I could tell, it was nothing more than a FPP but with changes made so it would only accept OEM keys. Nothing customized and for all intents and purposes was an FPP disc, but without the FPP benefits (namely, support from MS).

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3. The last is the CD that Microsoft sends to the OEM/System Builder to create both the OS and the recovery CD. These discs are white and are stamped with "Confidential." Users with appropriate Microsoft Partner accounts may have access to download this type of media from Microsoft. I have not seen this media type in the secondary market, likely because its resale (like Intel Confidential hardware) is illegal.

#3 here is what allen2 is referring to.

And guess WHY there is written "Confidential" on it? :unsure:

I would guess to avoid admitting even the existence of it :w00t:

When you get it you should have signed a document with the Fight Club rules ;):
Spoiler


:lol:

Seriously, the only TWO types of CD discs that you can have (unless you are an OEM) are the ones mentioned in the article, the one white with "Confidential" on it should not be available anywhere, as it is simply a sort of "master".

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This is how I got mine. I remember comparing it to a FPP disc and found out that there were only a few files that were different (like 3 or 4 small files). From what I could tell, it was nothing more than a FPP but with changes made so it would only accept OEM keys. Nothing customized and for all intents and purposes was an FPP disc, but without the FPP benefits (namely, support from MS).


Well MSI is an OEM as well, so maybe I am confused about what kind of disc you actually have. Does the COA on the netbook say MSI (or Microstar) on it? And the XP Home disc you have, is it a hologram disc?

If it is a hologram disc, you shouldn't have any problems but if it is not the standard hologram disc then you might have some extra work to do.

And guess WHY there is written "Confidential" on it? :unsure:

I would guess to avoid admitting even the existence of it :w00t:


Well its obviously no secret that they exist. Its not even really a big deal since that distribution model isn't used anymore. :rolleyes:
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Well its obviously no secret that they exist. Its not even really a big deal since that distribution model isn't used anymore. :rolleyes:


Well :), if Lord Wolf and allen2 CANNOT possibly have one of those, they don't exist :w00t: and they weren't talked about in this thread until you revealed "Confidential" info .... :ph34r:.

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Let me get this straight -
1 - You have XP Pro OEM with Key (purchased) <-betting it's "generic"
2 - You have XP Home OEM that came with the PC <-undoubtedly OEM-Specific -OR- kind-of-"Royalty" (IOW, the COA Key would install but you have to activate -OR- The "Royalty" key is embedded inside WINNT.SIF(or maybe in some cases a SYSPREP setup in e.g. old Compaq).
3 - You have an XP Pro FPP "somewhere" that you did a compare against #1 above
4 - You "decided to install XP pro using one of a few keys I have" (plural - I don't want to ask) <--?OEM or FPP?
5 - You want a "generic" XP Pro OEM <--Why? You probably already have one

Fine... an explanation (info on web anyway) for XP Pro -OR- XP Home (other minor diffs between Home/Pro)
Basic File differences
-Different between FPP and Any OEM- 
ACC_DIS.CH_
ACCESSIB.CH_
EULA.TXT
IESUPP.CH_
IEWEBHLP.CH_
SUPP_ED.CH_
SETUPP.INI
-Different ONLY from OEM-Specific (Generic-OEM and FPP are EXACTLY THE SAME)-
OEMBIOS.BI_
OEMBIOS.CA_
OEMBIOS.DA_
OEMBIOS.SI_
Keys will NOT (obviously) interchange between "Generic" OEM, FPP, or OEM-Specific ("Royalty"). If a COA Key is used with an OEM-Specific, it will fall back to "Generic" and need Activated, just like an FPP Install. The "Internal Key" can be used to Pre-Activate. DID YOU READ THE HINT THREADS?

I honestly do NOT know what you're getting at. You will NOT get the "needed files" from here or be pointed to where to get them. As far as "benefits of FPP", I can only say - WHAT? Mainstream support has ended but Fixes will continue for nearly 2 more years so the point is moot whether FPP, OEM-Generic, or OEM-Specific (AFAIK vendors like HP and Dell no longer sell XP PC's).

Please note that the fist several files (the .CH_) are JUST HELP FILES that say "contact your vendor" and the .INI distinguishes between OEM and "whatever". The .TXT similarly indicates FPP or OEM. The last four are what the OEM's use to mass-roll-out AS PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED. Again... HINT THREADS!!!

This has been repeated in various ways. You seem to be pushing for a "solution" to a "non-problem" (as you seem to have a Generic OEM CD and Key). Drop Point#5 and proceed with Points#1->#4.

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This is how I got mine. I remember comparing it to a FPP disc and found out that there were only a few files that were different (like 3 or 4 small files). From what I could tell, it was nothing more than a FPP but with changes made so it would only accept OEM keys. Nothing customized and for all intents and purposes was an FPP disc, but without the FPP benefits (namely, support from MS).

Well MSI is an OEM as well, so maybe I am confused about what kind of disc you actually have. Does the COA on the netbook say MSI (or Microstar) on it? And the XP Home disc you have, is it a hologram disc?

The recovery disc isn't a hologram disc, but at the same time, it's not a straight XP disc. It's customized and I'm sure designed to only work on certain hardware, namely the netbook, vs being able to use it on a custom built desktop. Has MSI printed on it along with a few words of legality ('For Distribution Only With a New MSI Notebook PC", that's typed exactly as I see it, including capitalization) and the what it's intended use is.


Well its obviously no secret that they exist. Its not even really a big deal since that distribution model isn't used anymore. :rolleyes:

Well :), if Lord Wolf and allen2 CANNOT possibly have one of those, they don't exist :w00t: and they weren't talked about in this thread until you revealed "Confidential" info .... :ph34r:.

If it's not legal for me to have it, then whether or not it exists is irrelevant to me. Wasn't asking for a source to obtain an illegal copy or to illegally download a copy of anything. If it's not from a legal/legitimate source, I don't want it, plain and simple. Aside from it not being legal, I would be concerned that it's infected and would compromise my privacy/security.


Let me get this straight -
1 - You have XP Pro OEM with Key (purchased) <-betting it's "generic"
2 - You have XP Home OEM that came with the PC <-undoubtedly OEM-Specific -OR- kind-of-"Royalty" (IOW, the COA Key would install but you have to activate -OR- The "Royalty" key is embedded inside WINNT.SIF(or maybe in some cases a SYSPREP setup in e.g. old Compaq).
3 - You have an XP Pro FPP "somewhere" that you did a compare against #1 above
4 - You "decided to install XP pro using one of a few keys I have" (plural - I don't want to ask) <--?OEM or FPP?
5 - You want a "generic" XP Pro OEM <--Why? You probably already have one

1. If by 'generic' you mean the same key being sold to multiple people, I seriously doubt it. If you mean it being just one of many keys from a bulk pile sold to the store I got it from, then most likely.
2. The recovery disc is, as you would imagine, one that 'pre-activates' the computer and I *think* repartitions the entire drive and rebuilds the recovery volume, so the computer (netbook) is the same as when I first got it.
3. I have the XP Pro FPP (as well as w/SP2 and w/SP3) in ISO form.
4. In relation to #3, I have multiple product keys, *ALL* of which are legal/legitimate and were obtained through legal/legitimate means. I have at least one OEM key that I'm aware of and at least 3 FPP keys that I can think of off the top of my head. Getting into Vista and 7, I have multiple keys on those too, mostly FPP, but again *ALL* legal and legitimate. I know you're not implying it, but just to cover it, there isn't anything illegal going on. It's simply the fact that I'd like to be able to do the install and use the OEM key. After all, when using a key for one install and then doing another XP install (either on another machine or in a VM), I'm legally required to use a different key since no two installs can legally use the same key at the same time. At least, that's my understanding of the license, is that to have to have a unique product key for each install. As a side mention, there are a couple of computers running a Home version of 7 that I'd like to upgrade to Pro, but as the keys I have are already in use, it will have to wait. One key I do have free is for an x86 version and that's the one I plan to use on the Netbook for the install of 7 on it. (The other machines are 64bit.)
5. If I could find that OEM disc of XP Pro w/SP2, then I could easily slipstream SP3 into it and that'd be the end of it. Considering it was bought with a piece of equipment (as required in order to buy the OEM version from that particular dealer), I'm certain that it's pretty much the same as FPP, in that nothing has been customized/tailored by the store I got it from. From the list of files you provided, I might be able to duplicate one. Just need to find a way to pull the files off of the 160gb hard drive or something.

I do want to repeat though, that the keys I have and am using are legitimate and were legally obtained, and want to make sure I remain within the legal limits when it comes to running more than one install of XP. If I ever need to do another install on the netbook, it would be beneficial to use an OEM key on it since it would make sense to do it that way. (Whether or not the key printed on the pretty Windows XP logo sticker on the bottom would work or not, I don't know, I haven't tried it. I tend to ignore those keys.) To use it though, I know I'd have to use an OEM version of XP. The last I remember, OEM keys won't work on FPP discs and vise-versa.

As for my 'pushing' for a solution, I have only stated and restated my intentions. If there isn't a place to download it legally (such as from msdn.digitalrivercontent.net) then obviously it can't be done. Not about to go using P2P file sharing sources because, as I mentioned above, aside from it not being legal (at least to my understanding), there would also be the concern of it being infected. The risk on that alone is a big NO for me. If you go back and re-read this topic, you'll see where a majority of the conversation is discussing the different OEM type discs. It wasn't me repeatedly asking for a link despite being told a dozen times that it's not legal.

And on the FPP benefits (ie support), my mention of that was from my findings in the past, ie, a few years back when it would have applied to me. I didn't say I installed FPP to get the benefit of support, only that the differences between FPP and OEM (in my instance) boiled down to it. Huge difference.

You mention, in all caps, about reading. With all due respect, it would seem that you either didn't fully read, or you misread, what was said.

Edited by Lord Wolf, 11 August 2012 - 06:20 PM.


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The recovery disc isn't a hologram disc, but at the same time, it's not a straight XP disc. It's customized and I'm sure designed to only work on certain hardware, namely the netbook, vs being able to use it on a custom built desktop. Has MSI printed on it along with a few words of legality ('For Distribution Only With a New MSI Notebook PC", that's typed exactly as I see it, including capitalization) and the what it's intended use is.


Ok, so its branded. Now my question is, on the COA on the netbook have MSI or Microstar name on it? It usually would appear below the OS name. See the "new COA" picture here:
http://www.microsoft...A_hologram.aspx
Where it just says "original equipment manufacturer" under "Windows 7 Home Premium." XP should be the same, I've got an XP PC here that has Dell name under the OS name.
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Ok, so its branded. Now my question is, on the COA on the netbook have MSI or Microstar name on it? It usually would appear below the OS name. See the "new COA" picture here:
http://www.microsoft...A_hologram.aspx
Where it just says "original equipment manufacturer" under "Windows 7 Home Premium." XP should be the same, I've got an XP PC here that has Dell name under the OS name.

Don't know how I overlooked this reply. Anyways, it says "Micro-Star" on it and it doesn't match either of the two on the link you provided but I know it's authentic as I've seen the same type of COA on other laptops from other manufacturers.

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(sigh... beating a dead horse...)

Using the above info (the "list"), you may
1 - extract/copy the Pro FPP w/SP3 CD contents to a folder
2 - copy the *.CH_ files (listed above) of the MSI disk, overlaying the FPP ones
3 - change the SETUPP.INI line with "PID=" to read xxxxxOEM (leave the "x" part alone)
4 - extract the CD BOOT (internal on the CD) to "somewhere"
5 - using burning software of choice burn a new Bootable CD (no need for Joliet, but go ahead if you want)
VOILA! XP Pro w/SP3 "Generic".
(p.s. the EULA will wrongly indicate FPP, but you don't care, do you? and the *.CH_ are basically EMPTY, telling you to "contact the vendor"...)

As I said (and now repeating), before you got HUFFY, a Generic OEM will NOT Pre-activate and (AFAIK) WILL work with OEM COA keys. The keys you get with the "purchased mom-and-pop) WITH a Generic OEM Disk (these are usually "system builder kits" - 2 CD's) and you get ONE Key UNLESS you purchase MORE and are UNIQUE (NOT used over-and-over) as you seemed to misunderstand. The second CD is the OEM Preinstall Kit CD freely available from MS as an ISO.

The above 5 steps will give you your "Mom-and-Pop" CD that you "lost" but have a Key for. You will NOT get support from the Vendor (MSI - but you don't care). This info is FREELY AVAILABLE on the WWW.

A NON-Generic OEM is the type (like your MSI Disk, and TOTALLY irrelevant to your topic) that has the four SPECIFIC files (see list) that the Vendor (NOT Mom-and-Pop) use to allow for Auto-Activation using the INTERNAL key (not the COA key), thus you STILL have to have that key (internal) to pre-activate. The COA KEY will/should work with the (MSI) CD/DVD, but WILL require activation - using it on ANOTHER PC is illegal - the CD goes with the COA/Hardware. They ALSO (usually) provide Drivers integrated into the CD (and sometimes other "stuff). As you describe it, it is a RESTORE CD and more than likely does NOT "rebuild the whole hard drive" (but is cram-packed with other "stuff). You describe two DVD's - this is what I have for my Dell - NOT a "Recovery Set" (usually an IMAGE of the OS Partition built from the Recovery Partition and spanning more than 2 DVD's, usually 4 or 5) but an INSTALL/Reinstall Disk. DO NOT confuse the two. It would be POSSIBLE that you have a "slimmed down" Recovery set, but doubtful. I DO, however, have a set of Compaq Recover Disks that literally rebuild the HDD, the INTERNAL key being on the first CD (boots kicks off the Recovery) and the OEM-OS-CD as the second (also bootable but no embedded key).

"Standard" CD will usually have the SAME FOLDERS as the Restore CD (may have a couple extras). Visually compare the Pro-FPP to the MSI-Home-OEM contents and see if that's true. Heck, you could list the FOLDER NAMES here and that would probably tell the tale.

Jeez, I thought the post was VERY clear and NOT filled with "implications" (e.g. your point#1 "generic" response). I NEVER accused you of "pirating keys", did I? Did you have to go into a diatribe?

side note -
I usually use CAPS instead of wasting keystrokes/mousestrokes to bold or italic specific points. Problem?
side note#2 -
I suggest you image the WHOLE HDD or use a different one before you "wipe" the HDD in case you want to put it back to Factory for possible sale. Even further, using a second HDD, try the DVD's you have to see if they indeed "restore to factory". SOME Recovery Disks won't "restore" to even a different HDD (the HDD is pee'd on internally to prevent pirating - only an EXACT MAKE/MODEL will work).

Done! (been there, done that, love fixing/reloading friends/relatives "virus-ridden" PC's - NOT!)

edit - re your MSI DVD - this is my Dell one (not hologrammed).

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As I said (and now repeating), before you got HUFFY, a Generic OEM will NOT Pre-activate and (AFAIK) WILL work with OEM COA keys. The keys you get with the "purchased mom-and-pop) WITH a Generic OEM Disk (these are usually "system builder kits" - 2 CD's) and you get ONE Key UNLESS you purchase MORE and are UNIQUE (NOT used over-and-over) as you seemed to misunderstand. The second CD is the OEM Preinstall Kit CD freely available from MS as an ISO.

The step by step is indeed useful. I don't recall saying anything about being able to have it be 'pre-activated'. Not sure what you're on about with the 'unique' key thing, as I can use the same key multiple times, just so long as it's sequential usage and not concurrent usage (ie, can only have that key in use on one install at a time, but when that key is no longer in use, I can then use it again). I was rather clear on remaining legal with my use of the keys and such.


4. In relation to #3, I have multiple product keys, *ALL* of which are legal/legitimate and were obtained through legal/legitimate means. I have at least one OEM key that I'm aware of and at least 3 FPP keys that I can think of off the top of my head. Getting into Vista and 7, I have multiple keys on those too, mostly FPP, but again *ALL* legal and legitimate. I know you're not implying it, but just to cover it, there isn't anything illegal going on.

Jeez, I thought the post was VERY clear and NOT filled with "implications" (e.g. your point#1 "generic" response). I NEVER accused you of "pirating keys", did I? Did you have to go into a diatribe?

I recall clearly saying that I knew you weren't implying that I was doing anything illegal. In fact, I quoted the part where I said it and you can even compare it to the post I said it in. As for going on a 'diatribe', I did no such thing. The closest I came to that in the post was in stating that I'm not the one who needs to read. Not only did you accuse me of constantly 'pushing' for something despite what I was being told (which I did not do), what I have quoted from you (above) also demonstrates it as well. I do appreciate your help, but, again with all due respect, please read what I'm saying and not assume you know what I'm saying despite not reading it. I didn't say you were implying that I was doing anything illegal (and in fact, I stated that I knew you weren't). I said that on purpose so that when I stated my position and clarified my use and intentions, anyone reading it would know I wasn't under the impression that you were hinting at something.

Again, I do appreciate help that you provide, but please read thoroughly, because you appear to skim and then make assumptions (at least in this topic).

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http://www.msfn.org/...en-xp-versions/

I believe I/we elaborated quite well. ;)

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http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/121890-differences-in-differen-xp-versions/

I believe I/we elaborated quite well. ;)

As explained to you in reply to the PM you sent to me and harassed me there despite being told to not talk to me anymore, you made yet another assumption.

For anyone wondering what's going on, his reason for linking to a topic of mine from a few years ago was because he assumed that I was trying to be sneaky/deceptive by making this topic. To quote him, "Did you not think it would be noticed?" My reason for asking about the differences back then from curiosity and wanting to learn. In this topic, I was asking for a legal source for where I could download an OEM ISO from since I do have a legal key in my possession but am missing the disc. So no, I wasn't trying to 'get over' on anyone or anything else implied by the question sent to me in PM.

So to submix8c, no I'm not a NEW user, despite you calling me one, nor am I the one skimming instead of reading (your actions have already outed you on that).

To everyone else, sorry about this post but after getting a PM where submix8c's made his intentions clear for why he made his reply, I felt it necessary to fill in the blanks for others. Thank you for your understanding and I look forward to future interactions minus the harassment. :)

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Ignoring the current "discussion" between Lord Wolf and submix8c, and I sincerely hope you both will just drop it....

I'm sorry, but unlike Win7, I am not aware of any place to legally download a copy of an XP ISO of any variety, unless you have a TechNet subscription. (I don't have one, but I think I understand that it would give you access to this kind of thing.) It doesn't matter that you already have a legal key, or that you are just looking for a "replacement" ISO for your missing disc. Some computer suppliers provide the option, for a fee, of having a replacement disc sent if you bought your system from them, but if this applied to you, or you were a TechNet subscriber, I would assume you would already be aware of these options. I've heard that some people have purchased an OS disc through ebay, Amazon, Newegg, Craig's list, etc, but I've also heard that not all of the discs offered there are legitimate, so be aware.

So if you have an XP disc of any kind, or can obtain one, that you can update and modify using submix8c's instructions or something similar, along with nLite, RVMIntegrator, HFSLIP, or whatever your method of choice might be, then that's probably what you should do. If you do happen to find a legal source to download an XP ISO, please let us know because I'm sure there are others who would be interested.

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