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Win XP past Apr 2014... (was: Will XP be supported until 2019?)

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take in consideration that they don't want to give security updates later

to claim XP (NT 5.1/2) are less secure than NT 6 series

thus the famous "upgrade to Windows ..." whatever its name is

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This is interesting reading and so are the 90 + comments ...

Uptake of Windows 8 for desktop computers – which was never particularly fast – has slowed, according to stats for July from web traffic pollsters Net Applications.

But a disturbing fact for everybody else is that Windows XP - enjoying second place in the stats - had a minor resurgence during July. Net Applications found XP, first released in 2001, clawed back 37.19 of the market versus 37.17 in the month before, pausing its long-term downward trend towards its demise. Many companies moving off Windows XP are going to Windows 7, the number one most used desktop OS, and Net Applications found version 7’s use up by 0.12 points on June.

OK, here is the whole article ....

Win XP alive and kicking despite 2014 kill switch (Don't ask about Win 8)

On track to be world's second most used desktop OS when security patches cease

By Gavin Clarke, 2nd August 2013

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/02/windows_8_v_windows_xp_july_data/

Uptake of Windows 8 for desktop computers – which was never particularly fast – has slowed, according to stats for July from web traffic pollsters Net Applications.

Microsoft's latest operating system held a 5.4 per cent of the global desktop OS market last month, up 0.3 points on June which was up 0.83 points on May. A glance at the Net Applications graph shows a gradually slowing trend over time. We're told the stats were gathered from the logs of some 160m unique web surfers hitting 40,000 websites in the pollster's analytics network: each visitor's browser is expected to reveal some basic information about their computer, but this can be spoofed so the usual health warnings about user-agent statistics apply.

Officially released in October 2012, Windows 8 has been growing at less than one per cent a month in the desktop arena, but June was the high water market hitting nearly a whole one percentage point of growth. Last month, though, its rate of increase slumped.

That's sobering news for Microsoft. But a disturbing fact for everybody else is that Windows XP - enjoying second place in the stats - had a minor resurgence during July. Net Applications found XP, first released in 2001, clawed back 37.19 of the market versus 37.17 in the month before, pausing its long-term downward trend towards its demise. Many companies moving off Windows XP are going to Windows 7, the number one most used desktop OS, and Net Applications found version 7’s use up by 0.12 points on June.

These numbers are incremental changes, but momentum begins with a small shove. Is an overbearing attachment to Windows XP to blame for the revival or the fact techies are hitting the beaches for the summer break, so temporarily AWOL on the upgrade front? While the Windows 8 usage numbers are more salt in wounds for Microsoft, it’s the minor consolidation in Windows XP that should worry everybody else.

... more reading at the link and also the 90 + comments !

and also this on Windows XP

Browsium Blog

Time to Check on Windows XP’s Share Decline

August 1, 2013

http://www.browsium.com/2013/08/01/july-windows-xp-share-decline/

Windows XP end of life has been a topic of discussion in IT circles for quite some time. This discussion always heats up on the first of each month as the various data tracking companies release their stats on browser and OS usage share.

Here we are on August 1st, 2013 checking in with NetApplications to see how much Windows XP dropped this month, on its way to extinction when Microsoft ends support next April. When we last looked at Windows XP share on this blog, we used the May 1st data which had XP at 38.31%. As of July 1st, it had dropped to 37.17%. Though that drop was only a bit more than 1% in 2 months, we can surely expect the pace of decline to increase as we get closer to April 2014. We’re now only 8 months away, so let’s do a little wagering. Who wants to bet that it went down 5% this month? 3%? And for the conservative bettors, 1%?

… everyone loses (and we mean everyone!). XP usage went UP this month, from 37.17% to 37.19%. How is the IT industry going to drive XP usage to zero by April 2014 if it’s heading in the wrong direction in July 2013? There’s clearly a lot of work ahead for enterprise IT. In fact, XP share has only come down 2.3% since January, for an average of 0.3%/month. That certainly does not inspire confidence in achieving the goal.

... more reading at the link and there is also a chart that I don't know how to reproduce here.

Add: I just noticed that this article was already posted under "Windows 8 - Deeper Impressions" in the "General Discussions" thread by TELVM but it should probably also be in the Windows XP forum ... I didn't know it was already mentioned when I posted.

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XP will live on in this household until MS produces another lite OS...if they ever do. I doubt it. They've gone stupid over there.

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So it's gone up .02% in july... If it goes1%down in august and goes 0.01% up in september, will you go "waow!" again? :huh:

Even here you can see the XP forum is the less active. Even less active than the 9x forum. But that can make you hope it goes up again in a few years. :D

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WinXP is going to be where Win9x and Win2000 is today, up and running like champs, and its nothing Microsoft can do about it :w00t:

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Ponch ... not sure what OS you use since you have none listed but I look at it as more of a "slap in the face" to Microsoft. They have a game plan and "old XP" just won't play along ... the OS, which once made a lot of money for company, is supposed to be heading into the sunset and for sure it is ... but on it's own terms and timetable. Whether it "makes a comeback" of a point or two one month or drops a point or two another month isn't what it's all about ... the bottom line is: XP is a headache that won't go away, the XP hangover from the party that started years ago ... sure the dancing is getting a little slower, the noise makers and hats are getting old and worn but many just don't want to leave the party, after over 10 years.

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Windows XP just works! That's why people are still holding onto it. Why fix something that's not broken? I don't use Windows XP anymore except for my laptop which its sole purpose is for Skyping with a webcam. Other than that my main systems are Windows 2000 and Windows 98 SE. But the fact is I really have no beef with Windows XP. It does the job fast and well. I remember when XP first came out though. I LOATHED IT! It crashed on me all the time and it was crap compared to my Windows 98 machine (back in 2002 of course ;)). The fact is the economy has taken a huge toll on people's wallets and they feel if Windows XP still does everything they need it to, why upgrade? Really, why? So you can keep up with the Jones'? I still think XP will be supported by hardware vendors for at least another few years. What doesn't XP have that hardware vendors can add to their products to render them completely useless? And with the fact that Windows Embedded which is based on XP will still be supported for a few more years, patches from MS can probably be ported right over to Windows XP (maybe). The fact of the matter is, not everyone is into all this upgrading and if they are, they're probably more concerned about their smartphones (which I truly hate and will never get one) and they spend their money upgrading that instead of their desktop PCs. As I see it, once MS hits the kill switch, XP will still be on desktop systems for many years to come. I still expect to see people running it up until at least 2020. Maybe not a ton of people will be using it, but I still suspect quite a few will. It works and that's what people care about. This machine I'm typing this on is a Windows 98 PC and it's running just fine and does what I want, so why upgrade? ;)

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Ponch ... not sure what OS you use since you have none listed

I use XP at home and 7 at work. XP at home because that's what my crappy OEM computer is licensed for (does this still make sense on this forum?) and 7 at work because that's what the admins deployed (that PC originally came with Win8).

But even in the context of a computer enthusiasts forum, I'll never claim any sentimental commitment to an Operating System.

For anybody working in IT, for obvious reasons, XP is the past. Any machine sold with XP is more than 6 years old (apart of cheap netbooks).

People don't upgrade their OS, they update their hardware, because they need more or because it fails. The new OS follows. Microsoft has millions employees. Many wrote XP back in the days, they can either say "thanks" or say "let's go on and make something else". What do you think they choose ? Why do you think they made Office XP when everybody was happy with 2000 or even 97? Then 2003, 2007, 2010, 2013. They need money and will do what they need or can to get it. But that's capitalism, not IT. And at this moment their is no real alternative.

I'm still promoting XP to my father, only because it's easier for me to leave the thing as is than to reinstall and have to explain to him how things that were down left have moved down right. I'm all for XP, I've used it for years and it all seems "so normal and so right", but I'm not defending anything and I don't see it meaning more in few years than 98 today. I guess I'm not in love.

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I'm an IT professional and I don't feel Windows XP is the past. Sure, it might be old, but doesn't it still work? Honestly, what does Windows 7 do that Windows XP can't do for a regular user? That's how I really look at a system. Does it do what is needed? If so, why bother changing it? If you love the eyecandy that Windows 7 provides, then by all means, go upgrade ASAP. But if you're looking for productivity, what's wrong with WinXP? On newer hardware, Windows XP is able to dominate due to its low spec requirement. It's like putting Windows 98 on a Pentium 4, it's a lot faster than having it on a Pentium Pro or Pentium II. And personally, I feel Windows 7 really slows down after using it for a few months. Maybe I'm more intense with my OS installs by doing big projects like video editing and n64 ROM hacking, but that's really beside the point. As for Office these days...it's a joke. It's not productivity, it's backwards as far as I'm concerned.

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OK ... fair enough about your thoughts on XP and other OS's. In my case, I'm still in the "excitement" stage with XP since I've only been with it since last year. I said this before in another post ... after getting everything installed and finally setup, I was amazed at how much I liked XP. I only wish I had made the change three years earlier. I was with Windows 98SE and always planned to just ride with it ... everything worked well but when I upgraded my Netgear WiFi card in 2010, I was having problems trying to get the card to work properly ... Netgear had Windows 98SE drivers but they didn't seem to really work. Decided to give XP another shot ... had tried it 2 or 3 times before through the years, but this time all went smooth and the WiFi card worked perfect.

So for me, XP and my older Pentium M notebooks will work just fine into the future. They are fast and many software programs that I used on Windows 98SE also work very well on XP.

Like your input and thoughts also Tommy ... it would be nice to see the XP numbers just get "stagnant" and refuse to drop for the rest of 2013 ... drive M$ crazy.

What's not to like !

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Even here you can see the XP forum is the less active. Even less active than the 9x forum. But that can make you hope it goes up again in a few years. :D

I've always taken that to mean that XP has less need of daily discussion because it works, is less controversial, and most of the bugs are solved and answer easily found.

So I wouldn't base any conclusion on that metric. It's almost as bad as using CEIP telemetry to destroy the classic Windows interface!

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Even here you can see the XP forum is the less active. Even less active than the 9x forum. But that can make you hope it goes up again in a few years. :D

I've always taken that to mean that XP has less need of daily discussion because it works, is less controversial, and most of the bugs are solved and answer easily found.

While that is certainly true, it's true also that there's RyanVM's, xable's and some other places where one can equally go for XP and be equally competently helped by knowledgeable people who love XP... And in fact there's considerable overlap in the membership roster of all the mentioned places.

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One XP forum that's extremely active is answers.microsoft.com. People see MS and they think they will get the best answers. It's just a peer-to-peer forum.

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[...] there's RyanVM's [1], xable's [1,2] and some other places [1,2,3] where one can equally go for XP and be equally competently helped by knowledgeable people who love XP... And in fact there's considerable overlap in the membership roster of all the mentioned places.

Indeed, there is. Added a few links. :)

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To somewhat quote a famous man, "they will have to pry XP from my cold, dead, hands".

And to quote a previous poster, "It works!". That about sums it up for this old tech.

I own 16 computers and all but one run XP. One, 12 years old, runs Win-8, and runs it dang well too.

I'm a moderator on a Windows 8 forum, but I'll never run it as my everyday OS.

Cheers Mates!

B)

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Since we're giving links, it'd be unfair on my part if I failed to mention 911CD and reboot.pro.

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Andromeda43 ... have a question (temporary off topic) about the 12 yr old computer running Windows 8. I have no interest in W-8 but I was curious for some more information on that computer. Is this one you built or just bought, find it interesting that you can run W-8 on a computer that old ... what make is it and maybe you upgraded a little?

thanks ...

... also from the other posters ... thanks for all the links, never heard of any of the sites myself ... found out about Rufus from the reboot.pro site.

[Tutorial] Install Windows XP From USB in a simple way

http://reboot.pro/topic/17327-tutorial-install-windows-xp-from-usb-in-a-simple-way/

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Non-SSE2 machines cannot run Win 8... so, if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say the 12 y old machine has a P4 cpu (Willamette?).

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dencorso ... hopefully Andromeda43 will check back in with the answer. I take it that this is purely a guess and no "crystal ball" involved at all !

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One XP forum that's extremely active is answers.microsoft.com. People see MS and they think they will get the best answers. It's just a peer-to-peer forum.

There is nothing bad in a "peer-to-peer" forum, as a matter of fact all forums - exception made for those created to support a specific product/tool where it may happen that someone actually officially "in the knows" posts answers/advices - are peer-to-peer, the issue may be - as always - with the actual peers taking part to the discussion topics ;).

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pfff

after you see that win 98 still use TO-DAY

who ever thinks after 2014 XP will "die" is complete id1ot or simply works for M$ to spread paranoia

the only problem with XP that I see are drivers, as manufacturers will stop making them

and unfortunately Hardware will be be harder to find of that era

(I can't even find any Geforce or Ati GPU's in any stores, only via re-sellers on inet)

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After support ends for windows xp in 2014. Is it possible to take patches from windows xp embedded version whose support doesn't end until 2016?

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I own 16 computers and all but one run XP. One, 12 years old, runs Win-8, and runs it dang well too.

I'm a moderator on a Windows 8 forum, but I'll never run it as my everyday OS.

Maybe Andromeda43 wanted to type "Windows-98" and the "9" was missed?

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Windows XP is the first MS OS which needs to be activated. If MS just switches off the activation server, no new XP installations are possible, unless you somehow pull the check, which is against the law.

If you have an XP license, which shows no expiration date, and if MS switches off the activation server, does that mean you have the right to do whatever needed to keep it running?

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If MS just switches off the activation server

There is a difference between "end of support" and "kill switch" or "switch off"...

"If..." has already been discussed a bit here.

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