[Dogway]

Well, I will ignore your offtopic chitchat and continue with my research journey since no one seems to want to help.

I found this link. Basically I need to know what type of menu is UBCD4Win running, and then edit the file to point to (a special or not version of) seatools.

My guess is that I need to edit some kind of bcdw file, I will search to one containing the menu items.


edit: this is getting better. link. The file was indeed custom_bcdw.ini

This post has been edited by Dogway: 24 August 2012 - 12:47 AM

[jaclaz]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 12:40 AM, said:

.... since no one seems to want to help.

Well, this is not fair.

In case of need you may consult the BCDW homepage:
http://bootcd.narod.ru/index_e.htm
BCDW is a project abandoned since a few years and the above page is not updated anyway to latest release (which is 2.01, whilst the page is still at 1.50z).
There used to be a mirror with latest version here:
http://www.wolfgang-...ownloads_e.html
but it has been removed, so you can get it, thanks to paraglider:
http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=19412
from here:
www.paraglidernc.com/temp/bcdw201a.rar
or here:
http://www.msfn.org/...on/page__st__39

More generally, now that you are focused on UBC4WIN it is more likely that you find people familiar with it on the UBCD4WIN forum:
http://ubcd4win.com/...dex.php?act=idx
or, since UBCD4WIN is BartPE based, on the official Bart's PEbuilder Support Forum, here:
http://www.911cd.net...dex.php?act=idx

jaclaz

[Dogway]

Yeah, well, unless I'm going to ask too much about something I try to refrain myself from registering on too many sites. Anyways I successfully managed to implement seatools in the boot menu, tested over VirtualBox.

Now, as you can imagine I'm struggling at the next thing, implementing DLGDiag.exe into the boot menu, the Western Digital Diagnostic Tools for DOS. I guess I need to obtain the .img or .ima file, and that's when I stumbled over another thread of yours:
http://reboot.pro/12255/page__st__50

A bit hard to understand, what I did was to follow this guide: http://www.ultimateb...topic.php?p=579

I made a virtual floppy drive, placed DLGDiagv519.exe in it, and then used winimage to create an image of the floppy. Then just proceeded as I did with seatools. But it didn't work, when I run DLGDiag on the boot menu, it freezes.

[cdob]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 05:01 AM, said:

Yeah, well, unless I'm going to ask too much about something I try to refrain myself from registering on too many sites. Anyways I successfully managed to implement seatools in the boot menu, tested over VirtualBox.

Did you create a plugin to add SeaTools?

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Now, as you can imagine I'm struggling at the next thing, implementing DLGDiag.exe into the boot menu, the Western Digital Diagnostic Tools for DOS. I guess I need to obtain the .img or .ima file

WD Diag504fCD.iso contains a floppy image. Extract this and add similar to seatools.
http://support.wdc.c...&sid=30&lang=en

[Dogway]

I don't know if I created the plugin. I just followed one of the linked tutorials. Extracted seatools.ima and added to the z_custom folder. Then added the line to custom_bcdw.ini, and enabled z_custom plugin in the plugins section.

There's no floppy image in WD Diag504fCD.iso, these are the contained files:
DLGDIAG.txt
DLGDIAG5.EXE
DLGLICE.TXT
IBMBIO.COM
IBMDOS.COM

[cdob]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 05:35 AM, said:

There's no floppy image in WD Diag504fCD.iso

Yes, there is no file.
It's included as EL Torito part. http://en.wikipedia....ROM_standard%29

7-zip list it at [BOOT] directory.

[Dogway]

cdob, on 24 August 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

Yes, there is no file.
It's included as EL Torito part.

Anything I can try? I'm out of ideas...

[cdob]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 06:15 AM, said:

Anything I can try? I'm out of ideas...

cdob, on 24 August 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

7-zip list it at [BOOT] directory.

Run 7-zip http://7-zip.org/

Open the file Diag504fCD.iso, select directory [BOOT].
There is something listed as "Bootable_1.44M.img".
Extract this and assume: that's a bootable 2880 sectors floppy image
Rename this to Diag504.ima

[Dogway]

cdob, on 24 August 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

7-zip list it at [BOOT] directory.

ups, yes sorry, I didn't understand that line.
Thanks a bunch really. By inspecting the ISO through Winrar I never thought there was anything else hidden (BOOT folder) inside. Right now also checked with uniextract and could also retrieve the folder.
Thanks again.

[jaclaz]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

ups, yes sorry, I didn't understand that line.

...and overlooked this one :

jaclaz, on 22 August 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

But again the memtest86+-4.20.iso.zip simply contains an El-Torito floppy image 1.44 Mb (and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip among other tools).

jaclaz

[Dogway]

Everything is solved you don't need to come back to show how right you were, after all I managed to do it by reading other posts (it wasn't THAT complex as you said and made it look) and lastly cdob's help, and well a waste of 2 days.
So thanks a lot for being around while having the answers although ultimately decided to look at how funny is to joke and make fun of someone struggling for an answer during 2 days.

jaclaz, on 22 August 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

(and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip among other tools).

among other what kind of tool? because I use a very similar and extended one (Winrar) and you know, it happens to don't find that right away. Why not use 7-zip? Why yes? I wonder...

jaclaz, on 24 August 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

cdob, on 24 August 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

7-zip list it at [BOOT] directory.

ups, yes sorry, I didn't understand that line.

...and overlooked this one :

It's not my fault if after 2 days I'm a bit dull and couldn't read "7-zip lists it at [BOOT] directory", it could have made a change. No pun to cdob whom I'm grateful for.

This post has been edited by Dogway: 24 August 2012 - 08:35 AM

[submix8c]

(heh..) WinRar (even the latest) only opens the CD and doesn't reveal the ElTorito boot image. Hence the suggestion of 7-Zip. If you'd have just used it as suggested, you'd have seen it. BTW, "Universal Extractor" uses 7-zip as well (look in the folders) - doesn't even include WinRar for opening RAR's - uses 7-Zip.

Interestingly (slightly OT), WinImage will also "dump" the Boot.IMA as well.

Sorry for your wasted time, but valid info WAS given.

Any other problems (beyond all of above) let us know... and read any assistance posts thoroughly. If an "expert" steers you wrong (DOH!), another "expert" will surely correct them.

[jaclaz]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

among other what kind of tool? because I use a very similar and extended one (Winrar) and you know, it happens to don't find that right away. Why not use 7-zip? Why yes? I wonder...

Tools capable of opening .iso files, typically .iso editors, like Isobuster, MagicIso, PowerIso, or programs dealing with filesystem images such as Winimage, etc., most of them Commercial/Shareware.

7-zip is free (as in free beer and also as in freedom) so everyone can have it, which is a good reason to choose it as a suggested app.

Though it doesn't support creation of .rar files it is a very good archiver with some interesting additional capabilities as it can open most .iso's (including the file used as boot sector, be it a an El-Torito floppy or a no-emulation bootsector) and also most .ima's and .img's).

As a side note (and shameless plug ) there is also my - as usual - half-@§§ed batch that uses ISOINFO (cdrtools) and DSFO (DSFOK tools) that should do :
http://reboot.pro/12406/


jaclaz

[Dogway]

There's a big difference between:
(and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip among other tools).
and
(and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip).

Adding "among other tools" lessen the importance of using 7-zip, which just equals or put it lower on the importance list than for example winzip, or winrar which are WAY more popular, used, known, and famous (thus likely to be used)
The second line is a straight how-to that doesn't assure succes if you use tools aside those specified.

Talking (or writing) is an art way different than the subject dealing with. Valid info WAS given in an unhelpful way. I, whenever I help, I DO help, straight to the user's needs, not way more (to show off or create confusion) or way less (to make fun in an pseudo-(low-social)-intellectual fashion).

Anyway, most of the wasted time was related to seatools, the thing with dlgdiag was only today.

edit: @jaclaz: and why should I suppose that winrar is only capable of opening half-isos? It's like asking to open .zip files with winzip instead of winrar... As good as 7-zip is, it's not very convenient to use for daily usage, I have it as portable only. There's a misconception in applications that if something is free and deliver good results then it must be used. You know, you ignore things like speed or convenience...

This post has been edited by Dogway: 24 August 2012 - 10:09 AM

[submix8c]

(sigh...)

Screwdriver not= Hammer

Screwdriver not= Rock

Although a Screwdriver will "screw", it can't "drive" a nail.

Screwdrivers and Hammers cost $ but a Rock does not and does a Hammer's job just as well.

You are free to make 7-Zip ("rock") faster if you wish.

[jaclaz]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

There's a big difference between:
(and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip among other tools).
and
(and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip).

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Reading:

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(and El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip among other tools)

I would say that there are three possibilities:

• TRY using the mentioned 7-zip
  
• ASK which other tools can do the same (should the reader not already know such a suitable tool)
  
• ASSUME that WinRar or Winzip, since they are "WAY more popular, used, known, and famous (thus likely to be used)" would do the same

Still 66.66% probabilities of doing the "right thing" .
You are not lucky.

On the other hand another approach:

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use EXCLUSIVELY 7-zip to extract the El-Torito floppy emulation image

would have been likely to raise protests either on the "rude attitude" or by anyone knowing that several other tools capable of doing the same exist.
I guess one can never find a way to make all people happy .

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Talking (or writing) is an art way different than the subject dealing with.

Sure , so it is reading and interacting with people, some are more capable than others at it.

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

edit: @jaclaz: and why should I suppose that winrar is only capable of opening half-isos?

Well, noone (if not you) talked about Winrar, since you were able to suppose that Winrar would do the same as 7-zip, you made a wrong guess, that's all.

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

As good as 7-zip is, it's not very convenient to use for daily usage, I have it as portable only. There's a misconception in applications that if something is free and deliver good results then it must be used.

And again it all depends on personal opinions, I personally find 7-zip so convenient that I also use it as dual pane file manager, but never said that it is "very convenient" or "more convenient" than WInrar, Winzip or *any* other "WAY more popular, used, known, and famous (thus likely to be used)" app.
I simply stated that it was convenient to do the specific task of extracting the El-Torito floppy emulation image from the .iso.
Additionally I never stated that "if something is free and deliver good results then it must be used", I stated how (evidently) free apps are freely available.

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

You know, you ignore things like speed or convenience...

Yeah, I am working on them, should I need some help in learning about them I will ask you some.

jaclaz

[Dogway]

jaclaz, on 24 August 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

Still 66.66% probabilities of doing the "right thing" .

You are again ignoring the influence weight of each of the options (assuming even importance). Which leads to the next paragraph:

jaclaz, on 24 August 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

Talking (or writing) is an art way different than the subject dealing with.

Sure , so it is reading and interacting with people, some are more capable than others at it.

That's basically the same I said, talking ability is a communication (interaction if you like it) skill.

jaclaz, on 24 August 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

edit: @jaclaz: and why should I suppose that winrar is only capable of opening half-isos?

Well, noone (if not you) talked about Winrar, since you were able to suppose that Winrar would do the same as 7-zip, you made a wrong guess, that's all.

Obvious now, a wrong guess, but totally natural guess. You suggested me a file archiver, I used "among others" file archiver (the most popular actually). Had you suggested a strict ISO application, I'd had used one.

[jaclaz]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

That's basically the same I said, talking ability is a communication (interaction if you like it) skill.

Yes, this means that we basically agree.

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

You suggested me a file archiver, I used "among others" file archiver (the most popular actually). Had you suggested a strict ISO application, I'd had used one.

No , I never suggested "a file archiver", and not even 7-zip , I simply stated how 7-zip was capable to do the specific task (easily) and that it was not the only program in the world capable of doing that, without specifying any "category" to which either 7-zip or the other tools capable of performing the task belong or should belong to.

You assumed that 7-zip is "a file archiver" (which is not, or not only, being also a file manager and actually sporting this in it's windows title):



and then further assumed that the "file archiver" WinRar, being "most popular" could do the same task.
As said, you made a wrong guess, it happens to everyone, not a problem as I see it , and as soon as you actually asked for clarifications cdob promptly provided them.

BTW, I didn't know that Winrar was the "most popular" file archiver, have you got some data about this?

jaclaz

[Dogway]

We are basically discussing the nuances of language communication here.
To demonstrate that using a file archiver* "among others" is capable of doing a determined action, it's implicitly a suggestion of using that tool or one among the same kind.
At least at the eyes of whoever is asking which (kind of) tool to use. Because if otherwise with "among others" you referred to among ALL THE APPLICATION EVER MADE FOR ANY KIND, then you are being very mean and vague with the expression, in which case you would have better omitted those unnecessary and unhelpful words that only create confusion.

You don't have to be very clever to assume winrar is the most popular. There's where the "reading" part of communication comes from. Just google them to have an approx. idea.

*head to http://www.7-zip.org/ and read the very first sentence at the top.

This post has been edited by Dogway: 24 August 2012 - 09:49 PM

[jaclaz]

Dogway, on 24 August 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

You don't have to be very clever to assume winrar is the most popular.

But you should have some sound data in order to state it.... that's a nuance in language communication.

I read "the most popular actually" as a statement, and not as an assumption.

Similarly, if I write 7-zip, usually it is because I mean 7-zip.

If I wanted to write "a file manager" or " a file archiver" or "a popular file archiver", I would have most probably wrote that .

I try my best to be as accurate as I can and try to avoid misunderstandings but evidently my attempts are not good enough to prevent free interpretation/assumptions.

To me:

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El Torito floppy emulation images can be easily extracted from .iso with 7-zip among other tools

still means plainly:

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There are several tools capable of extracting from a .iso the El-Torito floppy emulation image, of all them I will name just 7-zip which can do that easily.

which seems to me like the accepted and acceptable meaning of the expression "among other(s)":
http://dictionary.re...among%20other(s)

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You use expressions like among other things or among others to indicate that there are several more facts, things, or people like the one or ones mentioned, but that you do not intend to mention them all.

"tools" seem to me like a non-specific enough name that means generically "tools" and not particularly "file archivers" or "tools inherently similar in nature and usage paradigm to 7-zip".

You have to take into account also that English is not my mother tongue and more generally I was writing a post on a technical board and not writing a novel.

jaclaz