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johnhc

Service Pack 2 for W7?

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Who would ever guessed that by searching Windows 7 SP2 a quote from me would be found...

And no-one would have known it was you if you hadn't blabbed. :lol: I posted that link and quote without identifying the person. The point was the contrast between this thread of people genuinely wondering whether they will produce sp2 ( let alone sp3 through sp5 out to 2020 or whatever year they actually kill Win7 ), and the tone over there where the Windows 8 fanatics hypnotized by Metro reflexively toss out comments like "I say good ...!". Anyway, whether you wrote it or not is beside the point, the logic of: "Waiting years for a cumulative pack of fixes is a waste of bandwidth every time you install Windows." has so many holes in it, I don't know where to start.

Service Packs are the exact opposite of a "waste of bandwidth" precisely because one download gets applied to many computers. It is the most minimal use of "downloading" possible. The only way to use less bandwidth is to borrow someone else's download. In stark contrast, re-installing Windows on 5 computers and allowing each of them to phone home and update individually is the very problem solved by Service Packs in the first place.

And I'm not even addressing the issue of a single rolled-up Service Pack vs. 100 or more separate Windows updates, the former done in a single pass, the latter requiring multiple reboots and certain ordering and prerequisites and even extra wasted disk space since recent Windows versions automatically make restore points for tiny updates, some as small as an optional display INF or mouse driver. To summarize, imagine two identical Sp0 computers. One gets Sp1 from a local file, the other is connected to Windows Update. Guess which will not only take longer, reboot more, and use up far more space from restore points? And this is assuming the online Service Pack install actually completes without errors since it has to deal with various Antivirus, Firewall, and permissions.

Finally, the comment ignores even more refined solutions such as slipstreaming service packs or tossing the original Sp0 media and using a refreshed Sp1 image. In short, that comment couldn't be any more wrong if it tried. Service Packs are good. Not bad. Canceling Service Packs would be bad, not good, as the quoted comment said.

P.S. The Ballmer Award is in the mail, so whoever wrote the original comment should sign for it and enjoy it. :D

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Canceling Service Packs would be bad, not good, as the quoted comment said.

which is what happened to NT4 SP7 and Win2000 SP5. those SPs were cancelled and update rollup packs were released in their places.

I'm pretty sure SP2 for Win7 won't get cancelled. it's just that it'll take a while for that one to be available.

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I may be way off, but I thought that "windows Update" was already exactly that.

I mean, you install from your original CD/DVD a MS OS and then you will have some (several) hours of downloading updates (and rebooting between them and what not). :unsure:

BTW, this method has caused historically catastrophic failures over installed "production" systems (not very often but it DID happen) :ph34r: .

In the good ol'times you upgraded the source integrating latest Service Pack (a single operation) and the number of "needed" updates were minimal.

As I see it (and this is what some good guys do "privately") a cumulative, integrated set of updates is very handy, one "update model" does not exclude the other.

An IT administrator will find much faster/handy a "set of cumulative updates" that he/she can prepare and deploy to all computers without using any "external" bandwidth, the "home" or "small office user" will find single online updates (automated) much more comfortable.

A Tech/Repairman would find handy a way to access "manually" single updates.

In a perfect world there would exist a method (officaial, supported by MS) to:

  1. have all updates clearly listed/accessible "individually" (Digitalfox on this is 100% right, sometimes finding "manually" an update is a nughtmare)
  2. have an "intelligent" automatic "online" updater (Windows Update)
  3. have a way to combine them together and create a "monolithic" "Service Pack" or "Cumulative Upgrade" package

this way every user could choose the way that best suits him/her :thumbup and noone would have reasons to whine.

jaclaz

P.S.: Mind you this does not apply "only" to the OS, example:

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...with unlimited bandwith, yes completely unlimited...
Digitalfox, I am curious about this. Did you mean unlimited GB downloaded not unlimited bandwidth (speed)? If you really meant speed, how is this accomplished? Is the delivery via cable, fiber or what? What kinds of speeds do you actually see? Enjoy, John.

Interestingly, this thread has taken some strange turns.

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For NO apparent reason:

that-awkard-moment-when-you-just-wanted-to-do-a-quick-restart.jpg

:lol:

jaclaz

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...with unlimited bandwith, yes completely unlimited...
Digitalfox, I am curious about this. Did you mean unlimited GB downloaded not unlimited bandwidth (speed)? If you really meant speed, how is this accomplished? Is the delivery via cable, fiber or what? What kinds of speeds do you actually see? Enjoy, John.

Interestingly, this thread has taken some strange turns.

First, sorry about my delay in answering, workaholic ;)

Of course I mean unlimited GB downloaded/uploaded, I'm on DSL, 16/1Mb.

We have fiber here, my ISP provides true FTTH (Unlimited traffic, no Traffic Shaping) for +/- 50€ month for 100/20Mb (plus unlimited phone calls for homes + 140 TV (20 or 30 HD) Channels, but not in my area yet.

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that-awkard-moment-when-you-just-wanted-to-do-a-quick-restart.jpg

Think of this screen in 4 years when you have to install 300 updates :angry:

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Think of this screen in 4 years when you have to install 300 updates :angry:

Yep. Although that number is probably low for the year 2016. And just imagine in 2020.

I had someone call me after they reset their laptop to factory default, Win7 RTM naturally, and complain it was taking forever with absurdly high number of updates. This was the updates=automatic feature enabled by default after the reset.

I asked them to stop the updates and launch Windows Update from the Start Menu, walked them through the Scan and get to the criticals. Sure enough, Service Pack 1 was but one of many updates selected for install. Which number in the sequence it would have been I don't know. I had them only select that and proceed.

This whole thing is a real bad mess. How is it possible that Sp1 is not the very first ( and singular ) update applied by either the Automatic Updates or manual Windows Update function? What a massive recipe for disaster.

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For NO apparent reason:

that-awkard-moment-when-you-just-wanted-to-do-a-quick-restart.jpg

:lol:

jaclaz

That reminds me of when I was out at the corporate hq, and at the end of the day I shut down the notebook to a screen like that. Here's me sitting in the car, waiting on installing updates (on battery no less) while everyone is inside the restaurant having a good time. :blushing:

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Here's me sitting in the car, waiting on installing updates (on battery no less) while everyone is inside the restaurant having a good time. :blushing:

Well, at least you are sitting in the car....and it isn't raining... :whistle:

SCOOP! :w00t:

I have a RARE image of Trip outside the restaurant (and with no car) attempting to protect the privacy of his customers ;):

LaptopBurka04.jpg



laugh.gif

And before someone invents a new accessory for IT Admins without cars, it has been already invented :w00t:
http://www.prlog.org/11975147-zippaz-announces-debut-of-zippa-shade-universal-computer-umbrellafits-laptops-pads-tablets.html
http://zippashades.com/index.php/zippa-categories/category/listing/27-computer-umbrella.html

jaclaz

Edited by jaclaz
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Hahahahaha :) Awesome pic.

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MSFT tries to push Windows 8. It wouldn't surprise me if there won't be a Sp2. MSFT reduces the amount of SP dramatically for each product. This is again the Sinofsky Style. F*ck you costumers, to get fixes buy the next product.

Actually, this reminds me of Windows 95! Remember OSR2? Microsoft refused to offer OSR2 as an update to retail variants!

This caused me to get P-ed back in 1999.

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This whole thing is a real bad mess. How is it possible that Sp1 is not the very first ( and singular ) update applied by either the Automatic Updates or manual Windows Update function? What a massive recipe for disaster.

Windows Update would probably install SP1 first and then the later updates. It installs only the updates that contain the latest version of each updated file and it installs the updates in an order more or less unrelated to the one that lists them before updating (I don't know why it does that but thanks God the order of installation seems to usually be the correct one).

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I have created "unofficial" 7 SP2 ISO with updates, .NET 4.5, USB 3.0 support, many drivers integrated and more. Is publishing it here acceptable?

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And nowhere else on this site either.

Cheers and Regards

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not to mention that .net shouldn't even be in any SP

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not to mention that .net shouldn't even be in any SP

I thought that .net shouldn't even be.

Yes, last character in the above is a dot, or full stop or period. ;)

jaclaz

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not to mention that .net shouldn't even be in any SP

I thought that .net shouldn't even be.

Yes, last character in the above is a dot, or full stop or period. ;)

jaclaz

I couldn't agree more. But unfortunately many programs require it.

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not that many

and those that do, you can surely find better alternatives

the only thing that is essential for PC users that uses .net is AMD(ati) display control center, thankfully nvidia isn't that dumb to force people on .net

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are you able to list all kb installed??

I have created "unofficial" 7 SP2 ISO with updates, .NET 4.5, USB 3.0 support, many drivers integrated and more. Is publishing it here acceptable?

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are you able to list all kb installed??

I have created "unofficial" 7 SP2 ISO with updates, .NET 4.5, USB 3.0 support, many drivers integrated and more. Is publishing it here acceptable?

Internet Explorer 9.0.12

KB2592687

KB971033

KB2479943

KB2484033

KB2488113

KB2491683

KB2505438

KB2506014

KB2506212

KB2506928

KB2509553

KB2511250

KB2511455

KB2515325

KB2522422

KB2529073

KB2532531

KB2533552

KB2536275

KB2536276

KB2541014

KB2544893

KB2545698

KB2547666

KB2552343

KB2560656

KB2563227

KB2564958

KB2570947

KB2574819

KB2579686

KB2584146

KB2585542

KB2603229

KB2604115

KB2618451

KB2619339

KB2620704

KB2620712

KB2621440

KB2631813

KB2640148

KB2644615

KB2645640

KB2647753

KB2653956

KB2654428

KB2655992

KB2656356

KB2656373

KB2656411

KB2658846

KB2659262

KB2660075

KB2660649

KB2661254

KB2667402

KB2676562

KB2685811

KB2685813

KB2685939

KB2686831

KB2688338

KB2690533

KB2691442

KB2698365

KB2699779

KB2705219

KB2709630

KB2709981

KB2712808

KB2718704

KB2719857

KB2719985

KB2724197

KB2727528

KB2729094

KB2729452

KB2732059

KB2732487

KB2732500

KB2735855

KB2736233

KB2739159

KB2741355

KB2743555

KB2749655

KB2750841

KB2753842

KB2758857

KB2761217

KB2762895

KB2763523

KB2770660

KB2779030

KB2779562

KB976002

KB982018

KB976902 (SP1)

.NET 4.5 updates:

KB2519265

KB2737083

KB2748645

KB2756203

KB2759112

KB2777291

KB2783808

Regards

harkaz

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Well, it's certainly nice that a List of Official Updates has been provided.

It "might" be the same list as found in the ULZ listed here and WUD referenced here (jcarle utility). Care to confirm that? Not interested ATM since I haven't yet bothered with Test Installing Win7.

(note - currently running REAL LOW on disk space...)

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So, with Windows 7 exiting Mainstream support on January 13th, chances for an official SP2 are even smaller, if not next to none.

 

(Bump on a year-old thread)

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there will be never a Sp2. A new Sp extends mainstream support by 1 year and the mainstream support is over, so no new Sp.

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