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Ways to get back the Start Menu/Button in Win8


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On the topic:

http://darktips.com/...u-in-windows-8/

There are two other utilities presented there which haven't been mentioned here yet ;)
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Thanks tomasz86, that's a helpful page.

I'll review the items and add the ones that we don't already have on the list.

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The reason I signed up here was about this thread, and today I bought Win-8 Pro. I wouldn't have made that buy if it wasn't for the good chance of applying the start menu to Win-8. I haven't installed it as of this post however.

I'm glad that our list was useful for you. Once you install Windows 8, let us know how things go with whichever Start Menu replacement you choose.

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Two additions to he list: RetroUI (thanks @CharlotteThe Harlot) and a Task Scheduler method to boot straight to the Desktop.

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Here is another: Viva Start Menu

I wonder how many other Start Button and Start Menu there are that we don't yet know about. . . .

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Viva Start Menu and Win8 Start Button are based on Classic Shell (with no other differences I could tell other than different orb and defaults).

Impossible to run NT6 without third party fixes.


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Viva Start Menu and Win8 Start Button are based on Classic Shell (with no other differences I could tell other than different orb and defaults).

I'm looking into this.

Viva Start Menu:
Attached File  screenshot.gif   33.1KB   6 downloads

I dunno, to me it looks different enough from Classic Shell:
Attached File  SevenVG_Skin_for_Classic_Shell.png   22.62KB   4 downloads

Which "Win8 Start Button" do you have in mind? The one that we have listed doesn't look anything like Classic Shell:
Attached File  Win8StartButton_6.jpg   150.45KB   7 downloads

If you found a different one with the same name, can you post the link? Thanks!

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Edited by JorgeA, 11 November 2012 - 09:43 PM.


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Here is another: Viva Start Menu

Thanks very much, we're taking a look.

I wonder how many other Start Button and Start Menu there are that we don't yet know about. . . .

With your help and that of other MSFN members, we'll find out how many more there are! :)

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I dunno, to me it looks different enough from Classic Shell
Which "Win8 Start Button" do you have in mind? The one that we have listed doesn't look anything like Classic Shell:
Attached File  Win8StartButton_6.jpg   150.45KB   7 downloads


Then you haven't been customizing Classic Shell to see how much it can be customized. :) Anyways, here's the EULA for Viva and here's the one for Win8 Start Button.

Impossible to run NT6 without third party fixes.


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Then you haven't been customizing Classic Shell to see how much it can be customized. :) Anyways, here's the EULA for Viva and here's the one for Win8 Start Button.


I see in both of those EULAs, they are written by the same person! Why have competing products like that?
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I dunno, to me it looks different enough from Classic Shell
Which "Win8 Start Button" do you have in mind? The one that we have listed doesn't look anything like Classic Shell:
Attached File  Win8StartButton_6.jpg   150.45KB   7 downloads


Then you haven't been customizing Classic Shell to see how much it can be customized. :) Anyways, here's the EULA for Viva and here's the one for Win8 Start Button.

The Win8 StartButton that you linked to, doesn't appear to be the same product as the Win8StartButton that's on the list. Different website, different people (Torch Media vs. Quadsoft), different look, even a different language (!).

There's just a slight difference in the spacing within the name. Given the outrages of Windows 8, I guess it was inevitable that we'd end up with a naming conflict like this sooner or later. There's only so many ways to refer to the same thing.

I won't be listing Win8 StartButton, as it seems to be a straight, unmodified borrowing of Classic Shell, nothing new. What's different is that they package a browser and media player along with Classic Shell, but we're not interested in those applications here.

Regarding the Viva Start Menu, the EULA says that

The Initial Developer is Ivo Beltchev. Portions created by the Initial Developer are Copyright © 2010-2012, Ivo Beltchev. Viva Start Menu contains Classic Shell, which is licensed under the MIT License.

...which leaves open the possibility that they have "built upon" Classic Shell rather than adopting it intact like the Win8 StartButton folks apparently did. The question would then be, how much did they change it, and are the changes enough for us to be able to treat it as a different product?

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Then you haven't been customizing Classic Shell to see how much it can be customized. :) Anyways, here's the EULA for Viva and here's the one for Win8 Start Button.


I see in both of those EULAs, they are written by the same person! Why have competing products like that?

I think what's happening is that both Win8 StartButton and the Viva Start Menu are based on Classic Shell by Ivo Beltchev. The EULA for the Win8 StartButton gives complete, unqualified credit to Ivo, while the EULA for the Viva Start Menu (see my reply to xpclient just above) says that "portions are created" by Ivo, which makes it sound like they took Classic Shell and then modified it in some way.

The Win8 StartButton doesn't seem to offer anything new or different, so there's no reason to add it to the list. But for the Viva Start Menu, for the purposes of our thread the question becomes whether they modified it enough to warrant a listing of their own.

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The following is one obvious difference in the Viva Start Menu (as of Nov.12th. 1:44 PM AST, found near the bottom of its Download page):
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Download Information:

Download 64-bit Version

Download 34-bit Version
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The "34-bit Version" must be for a newly released, and as yet unpublicized, OS. :whistle:;-)

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The "34-bit Version" must be for a newly released, and as yet unpublicized, OS. :whistle:;-)


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Reminds me of long, long ago when some folks insisted 8088 systems had to be better than the 8086. :lol:

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The "34-bit Version" must be for a newly released, and as yet unpublicized, OS. :whistle:;-)


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Reminds me of long, long ago when some folks insisted 8088 systems had to be better than the 8086. :lol:


Its sad in a comedic way, but I looked up 34bit CPU on google...

About 288,000 results (0.38 seconds)


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OK, if there are no objections outstanding, then I'll put the Viva Start Menu on the list.

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Here is another:

StartMenuPlus8

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Here is another:

StartMenuPlus8

Good find, thanks very much. I'll add it to the list.

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And another:

Tweaks.com Boot to Desktop for Windows 8

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And another:

Tweaks.com Boot to Desktop for Windows 8

Steve Sinchak is a known quantity -- I have a book by him.

This little service could be put to work together with his Start for Windows 8 button for a complete experience.

Thanks very much for digging some more!

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Edited by JorgeA, 14 November 2012 - 10:57 PM.


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@ JorgeA

You're most welcome. I too am thankful for you having provided a place and listing of all the many others to choose from; and hopefully lots more to come. And who knows, maybe the 'perfect' one will come along for the individual user.

Here is another one which provides a button and minimal Start Menu experience:

HP Quick Start Application

Although my Desktop PC is a HP brand, chances are it will also work on other PC's. But just in case, remember I did say, chances are. :unsure:

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@ JorgeA

You're most welcome. I too am thankful for you having provided a place and listing of all the many others to choose from; and hopefully lots more to come. And who knows, maybe the 'perfect' one will come along for the individual user.

Here is another one which provides a button and minimal Start Menu experience:

HP Quick Start Application

Although my Desktop PC is a HP brand, chances are it will also work on other PC's. But just in case, remember I did say, chances are. :unsure:

regards,
Laurence

This is fantastic! It'll be interesting to see if other major PC manufacturers come out with their own versions of the Start Menu + Button.

Anybody who has a non-HP computer and tries this one, let us know if it worked for you.

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One more Start Menu from Poland:

http://www.sgjps.com...StartForDesktop
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One more Start Menu from Poland:

http://www.sgjps.com...StartForDesktop

Thanks tomasz86, we'll keep an eye on it.

I clicked on the link for "English" but it still came up in Polish so I can't interpret the installation instructions. Do you know if there is a language choice when installing StartForDesktop?

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