Molecule

which version of XP do I have?

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Just google MicroCenter - I gave a couple of links. They no longer carry it but others still do (also gave a link). You may or may not be able to find the MUI CD's anymore.

Per the "differences" between what you purchased and the "Euro" version. Nope, the Euro version you reference is a Full (FPP) product, not "Generic OEM". Those are the specific files that are different and the label should/BETTER be GRTMPFPP_EN.

As for all of the "magic/stupid" stuff you keep talking about - it's the New Way. If you want to change away from the Welcome screen to the Win2K way, that's doable. Nearly everything can be "reverted" to a Win2k "feel". The Install is what it is and can be "modified" to allow for "eliminating" your so-called "bubble gum" screens that happen during install (e.g. nLite/WINNT.SIF). And ANY "pop-up bubbles" in the task bar can also be "tweaked" away.

You're making WAAAAAY too much of this.

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hey there tomasz86! ... seems like adobe is taking over everywhere ... the old macromedia (I think it was originally open source?) is becoming more pentagon war machine than the behemouth microsoft itself ... more and more "web" masters require flash + javascript as entry points to their data or sites ... it's become the preferred bubblegum hurling machine of choice!

while trying to build a pre-2K machine to run hfslip on, to build a final 2K system, I wanted to install from USB rather than tossing CDs (neurotic like that), but i encountered problems with bootable USB with my mobo + bios + 2K + install usb-image software. I bought a $8 hdd and tried a quick install of XP just to find out if the problem was with my mobo and bios, or somewhere else. When I loaded XP v2002 (purchased in 2008 with the then new hardware that I'm just now starting to use ... I assembled parts immediately, loaded 2K, and immediately couldn't figure out why MS forces me to be fake administrator of my own machine ... so I still had this 98 idea that an owner has a right to own and control his machine ... I now totally understand the BIG lie ... our home computers are not owned or controlled by us ... not even in the least scintlla as to any meaningful elements ... we don't even control the on off button ... we pay, but "our" computers are totally owned (meaning totally controlled) by the wall st-pentagon complex ... so except for a power to setup a computer that will reformat and restore the original system image EVERY time I turn it off, I accept that I have absolute ZERO control of "my" computer. I dont believe kaspersky, or norton, or other 100+ meg script kiddies give me ownership ... so I don't use AV at all. dont believe in it. haven't used AV or firewall yet in 98se and so far have never needed it ... not once! my hardware getting old, and the 28bit lba bios limits me to 128 gig hdds ... arghhh ... that hurts ... with no drivers for 98 for larger machines, I'm now forced to become Chief Administrator of my own Bubblegum Tweak-down ... I just don't care for the insults ... it's like being waterboarded in a cia-pentagon torture chamber with microsoft bubblegum ... I don't buy into the whole "bubblegum dimension" of a crass marxist materialist existence at all. If Chopin were alive today, would he be writing etudes, preludes, and mazurkas for this crass, insulting, crude and rude Microsoft God of Bubblegum "Reality?"

I see you have Blender on your 2K site ... are you doing 3D work at all .. if so, I built a VRML of Kepler's credenza model that will blow your mind. Me and Hartmut Warm are probably the two most hardcore Kepler fanatics in existence today. Hartmut Warm has made some AMAZING discoveries that really take Kepler to the next level. www.keplerstern.com

ok back to 2k ... when I installed XP v2002, I got the M$ waterboarded by bubblegum shock therapy. It's Mind Kult Ra (m-kult-ra, MKULTRA) torture by the bubblebum RA. Coming from 98se, XP is an insult. I don't know what ... I should write a book ... How MS (i.e. Pentagon Lite) waterboards its customers with marxist bubblegum. The internet (which is owned and controlled totally by the pentagon war machine, the pentagon being a bolshevik fifth column operation) is waterboarding the world with clueless useless crass commerical bubblegum ... squirted into our all faces by wall st fraudsters, gangsters and moral zombies like bill gates. google used to be ok ... now it's the pits ... the internet is becoming a worldwide gitmo operation, where humanity is being waterboarded with porn, stupidity and worst of all, bubblegum. bubblegum is getting so thick, I'm seriously thinking of throwing my "new" haha 2008 machine in the trash, and going back to 98se. Geez I hate it when M$ forces insulting stupid useless gimicks like bouncing ?-mark "tools" that do nothing. I never admired BG. In spite of his wealth (which he created by piracy and stealing) he's a racist supremacist ... a hypocrite, a wall st. zombie, a marxist mastadon, a crazed lunatic on a depopulation binge, which is purely racist in nature, jabbing all the kids of Africa in the side of their little necks with his so-called "vaccine" protection. 1972 UN-WHO technical documents are explicit in how to use vaccines to cause cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. auto-immune diseases, to depopulate the planet.

so ... pretty much that's what I mean by "flash" -- as Duke said, ahh ... now I feel much better. +10 points for health.

I foilowed your thread with win98! It was nice to see how he worked through the build and install. As your 52 comes together, if drop box starts to complain about bandwidth, you could maybe go with a CD+3 file iso build (instead of CD+2 as you have it now) by letting people add in their own gurglemeyer's 51 from major geeks or softpedia. you would only have to addin the 3 (or 4?) patches that Aust mentioned. Too bad gurglemeyer didn't leave his code. Also, rather than putting the "for personal use only" warning in the control panel uninstall section, I'd suggest putting it in the first panel of the command file. something like press F8 or whatever. then leave it like the original HFSLIP authors had it? I don't remember seeing that from prior experimentation from 8 years ago? after which I went back to 98se.

So, to confirm my mobo is bootable USB I decided to build an XP machine just for that one purpose. That's when I got the shock ... the way M$ treated me during installation, it was really insulting and disgusting ... Jaclaz had one of his "look here" links in one of his posts on another site, that pointed to some links that lead to some more links that lead to some pretty friendly guys over at a site called How to Not-Beat Ur Digitial Wife (or something like that ... hehe). But setting up an XP v2002 install to minimize the bubblegum will be a challenge. Even when you change the "theme" XPv2002 still flips me the bird when I logoff ... during shutdown, the last screen it shows is the original bubblegum look. ARGHHH!

Do you (or anyone) know if XP SP2a or 2c sets up a flatscreen, no bubblegum, 2K-like logon and logoff, after being nLited with SP3? I might be happier with OEM server 03? I'm pretty sure that setting up a CD XPv2002 with a bubblegum free interface will be an awful lot of work ... some of the nLite tweaks don't work, like regional timezone setting for example.

I see you're using 2K server ... any reasons you prefer server over pro? I see it must handle the 8gig you have for memory ok so that's nice. I think 2K pro memory limit is 4gig?

@myselfidem -- I bought my XP cd and computer (by parts) at a Microcenter store ... www.microcenter.com. The CD is part no. X14-72249. It's legit MS for sure, so the bubblegum comes straight from Bill Gates' ... face. The MS shipping label on the sealed envelope says it was built on 06-05-2008. It also says "Work Order No. MR086214-MR086227" ... hmmm maybe this is a OEM CD specially built just for Microcenter? In otherwords, Microsoft may have the ability to specialize the OEM disks, on a per workorder basis! Yikes! CDs are already different for europe and asia, and now they might be different for each OEM on a per work order basis?

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Yep! I have the same CD:

GRTMPOEM_EN

Windows XP Professional

Includes Service Pack 3

Version 2002

© 2008 Microsoft Corporation

Part. N°. X14-72249

But like submix8c said: You're making WAAAAAY too much of this.

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I see you have Blender on your 2K site ... are you doing 3D work at all

Unfortunately, "no" :no: The programs listed on my website are not exactly related to what I do. I've just been trying to list all popular applications which I'm able to make work in Win2k. Of course, most of the ones are those which I use myself but not all of them.

I foilowed your thread with win98! It was nice to see how he worked through the build and install. As your 52 comes together, if drop box starts to complain about bandwidth, you could maybe go with a CD+3 file iso build (instead of CD+2 as you have it now) by letting people add in their own gurglemeyer's 51 from major geeks or softpedia. you would only have to addin the 3 (or 4?) patches that Aust mentioned. Too bad gurglemeyer didn't leave his code

This is an interesting idea although I'm not sure whether it would be good to make the things more fragmented than they're now. Of course doing so would be good to reduce the bandwidth but my original plan has been (and is at the moment) to prepare one big package with everything included.

Also, rather than putting the "for personal use only" warning in the control panel uninstall section, I'd suggest putting it in the first panel of the command file. something like press F8 or whatever. then leave it like the original HFSLIP authors had it? I don't remember seeing that from prior experimentation from 8 years ago? after which I went back to 98se.

I think that you're confusing USP5.x with HFSLIP here :angel The warning in the Control Panel comes from HFSLIP and has nothing to do with USP5.x itself.

Do you (or anyone) know if XP SP2a or 2c sets up a flatscreen, no bubblegum, 2K-like logon and logoff, after being nLited with SP3? I might be happier with OEM server 03? I'm pretty sure that setting up a CD XPv2002 with a bubblegum free interface will be an awful lot of work ... some of the nLite tweaks don't work, like regional timezone setting for example.

Actually during the last few days I've done some testing with XP and I can share my own way to disable the "bubblegum" interface. It's different than nLite and what I like about it is that you don't need to physically delete any files.

In your XP source, open

  1. DOSNET.INF and comment (add ";" at the beginning) all lines with:
    blue_ss.dll
    home_ss.dll
    luna.mst
    luna.the
    metal_ss.dll
    winntbbu.dll


  2. TXTSETUP.SIF and comment all lines with:
    blue_ss.dll
    classic.the
    home_ss.dll
    luna.mst
    luna.the
    metal_ss.dll
    winntbbu.dll


    Scroll TXTSETUP.SIF to the bottom, remove the end of file character and add:

    [SourceDisksFiles]
    classic.the = 1,,,,,,,129,0,0,Luna.theme


These settings will install only the Classic Theme (it's actually disguised as "Luna" :lol: and Windows setup thinks that it's installing Luna while in reality it's the Classic Theme)

After that open:

  1. HIVEDEF.INF and add
    [AddReg]
    HKCU,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon","LogonType",0x10001,0x0


  2. HIVESFT.INF and add
    [AddReg]
    HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon","LogonType",0x10001,0x0


These settings will disable the "pretty" logon screen.

I see you're using 2K server ... any reasons you prefer server over pro? I see it must handle the 8gig you have for memory ok so that's nice. I think 2K pro memory limit is 4gig?

That was my original reason for doing so but at the moment with the new versions of the BWC kernel it's no longer required as you can enable PAE and use 8GB of RAM in Win2k Pro too.

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that's some awesome information tomasz86 ... I will try it soon

before I do, I thought I'd ask ... I want to start with one administrator account, named Administrator, and that account has to logon with password, whether entering standard desktop or F8 safe mode. After Administrator passes logon and gets to desktop, then he can add users and define their policies.

in my current 2002 system when I deleted the required second bubblegum administrator account, logon is no longer offered or required. the machine goes straight from boot to desktop. I do not want that.

What do I do? Can I do the above and fix that at the same time? I'm going thru my stack of CD disks pretty fast so I thought I'd ask.

also, I tried F8 safe mode ... again, no logon ... wow! I can't beleive it! Any user can boot an XP system into safe mode, and function as safe-mode administrator, without a logon or a password! The option is to have 4 administrator accounts ... 2 bubblegum administrators (none named Administrator), 1 secret administrator (named Administrator), and 1 F8-Safe mode administrator, who doesn't need a logon.

in v2002 there are three states to an XP install ...

1st stage=dos format and copy

2nd=std vga gui (sets password for secret Administrator account)

3rd stage=friendly bouncing-? adds bubblegum administrators

at least two are required to get a logon screen, even after classic mode is selected under control panel, users, etc.

is this 3 stage install the standard for all prior versions of XP ... SP0, SP1, and SP2?

during 3rd stage, if I name only one administrator, then no logon screen will be presented at bootup even if classic mode logon is selected ... this is not what I want

If I name two admins at the bubblegum stage (not what I want), I get an icon screen for my logon choices -- MS picked out a really cool icon for my 1st bubblebum admin account -- it's a picture of the bottom end of a squatting skateboarder ... can you imagine the thouight of it! such beauty! the view was looking straight up at his squatting bottom end! such glory! he is turning, as if in the middle of squatting down on the desktop. soo cool! In actuality, I was a little offended by the view, thank you so very much Microsoft ...

I apologize for the raillery. I'm actually angered and frustrated. I'm sad that it takes so much effort to build an XP box with the charm and maturity and sweetness of a 2000 system. I should know that it's total vanity to hope that MS engineers will grasp the message and maybe ... change.

I am really just trying to install an XP system, with one administrator account, named Administrator, who has to logon with password, whether he is opening his standard desktop, or whether he is entering safe mode ... do I need to add any tweaks to the above to do that?

thanks so much for your generous help ...

... one frustrated little molecule

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thanks -X-

are you the Xable at RyanVM.net?

I've done so many different installs at this point they are starting to become a blurr ... I'm building XP isos using 2k, and I'm on the internet at the moment using 98se

my first XP install was a two step (edit -- XP iso built in 2k environment)

1 RMVI +QFE update pack +.NetFx

2 nLite to pull MS drivers and add my own and setup winnt.sif

As I remember it (might e wrong) I got the same behavior ... but memory is geting blurry

current install is straight hologram disk no mods, just to pull a set of std files

that's the one that has behavior described above ...

as I remember, the last option on the last screen on nLite is the one that sets classic mode ...

I'll try that one again ... also adding tomasz86's mods to source before RMVI and nLIte, to switch from Luna (bubble look) to Classic (flat look) as well ... as I remember ... even with classic logon logoff selected the very last screen at logoff switches over to a bubble look

edit also when I set time zone to GMT-5 Eastern, nLite missed it ... is there a tweak I'm missing?

Edited by Molecule
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I'll try that one again ... also adding tomasz86's mods to source before RMVI and nLIte, to switch from Luna (bubble look) to Classic (flat look) as well ... as I remember ... even with classic logon logoff selected the very last screen at logoff switches over to a bubble look

I haven't tested these tweaks with nLite and wouldn't really recommend messing around with them. If you want to use nLite then I'd suggest doing it BEFORE applying my tweaks. It would be the best if you just left all Classic Theme related settings in nLite untouched.

I am really just trying to install an XP system, with one administrator account, named Administrator, who has to logon with password, whether he is opening his standard desktop, or whether he is entering safe mode ... do I need to add any tweaks to the above to do that?

After applying my tweaks just add:

[Unattended]
UnattendSwitch=yes

to your WINNT.SIF file. Your system will look like this (even on the first boot):

WiDgA.jpg

Only one Administrator account:

kE1kG.jpg

By the way, this is the script which I use to apply the tweaks automatically. Just run it from outside of the I386 folder:

FOR %%A IN (TXTSETUP.SIF DOSNET.INF) DO (
COPY I386\%%A I386\%%A.BAK
IF "%%A"=="TXTSETUP.SIF" (
COPY I386\%%A/A I386\%%A.TMP/B
MOVE I386\%%A.TMP I386\%%A
FINDSTR/IRV "blue_ss\.dll.*= classic\.the.*= home_ss\.dll.*= luna\.mst.*= luna\.the.*= metal_ss\.dll.*= nusrmgr\.cpl.*= winntbbu\.dll.*=" I386\%%A>I386\%%A.TMP
MOVE I386\%%A.TMP I386\%%A
(
ECHO(
ECHO [SourceDisksFiles]
ECHO classic.the = 1,,,,,,,129,0,0,Luna.theme
)>>I386\TXTSETUP.SIF
)
IF "%%A"=="DOSNET.INF" (
FINDSTR/ILV "d1,blue_ss.dll d1,home_ss.dll d1,luna.mst d1,luna.the d1,metal_ss.dll d1,nusrmgr.cpl d1,winntbbu.dll" I386\%%A>I386\%%A.TMP
MOVE I386\%%A.TMP I386\%%A
)
)

FOR %%A IN (HIVEDEF.INF HIVESFT.INF) DO (
COPY I386\%%A I386\%%A.BAK
(
ECHO(
ECHO [AddReg]
IF "%%A"=="HIVEDEF.INF" ECHO HKCU,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon","LogonType",0x10001,0x0
IF "%%A"=="HIVESFT.INF" ECHO HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon","LogonType",0x10001,0x0
)>I386\%%A.TMP
TYPE I386\%%A.TMP>>I386\%%A
REM CMD /U /C "TYPE I386\%%A.TMP>>I386\%%A"
DEL/Q I386\%%A.TMP
)

edit also when I set time zone to GMT-5 Eastern, nLite missed it ... is there a tweak I'm missing?

Are you sure that your time zone settings are correct? You can try to define it by yourself in WINNT.SIF. This is a list of time zone codes:

njHFP.jpg

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