[Molecule]

GRTMPOEM_EN.ISO
size 618,065,920
files are dated 04/14/2008

md5:  cf044066e4a9193b388f628fa0c1be7e
sha1: 2bcaaf437bac27ddf6816b0f415fcef9bd85463f

the hash values of a legal iso should appear all over the place on the internet
the sha1 and md5 of my iso appear in one place on the internet ... and that person thought he had fraud

hologram side of CD says "XP Professional Includes Service Pack 3 Version 2002"
wikipedia doesn't have any mention of it
the files are all dated 2008

digitial side of CD behaves like XP Home
(as I understand it
-setup does not ask for domain name and password
-cannot enter an account name for Administrator
-it allows multiple Administrators (which I do NOT! want)
-administrators logon without password
-welcome screen is unbusinesslike, insulting and stupid
-bubblegum look and feel
-annoying bubbles all over the place --
spreading bubblegum paranoia -- one install screen says "you bought the most secure and safe operation system ever" (something like that) ...
but after 1 minute operation without connection to internet, now bubbles pop up proclaiming that it is unsafe!!!
microsoft has a funny sense of humor I guess ... haha)

I cant upload pictures because when I try upload a 46k image, I get a Upload failed ... used 1000 k of my 1000k global upload quota .. image is 46k!
I'd really like to show pictures of the CD and MS product description, showing XP pro
then show a picture of the installation Welcome screen which is apparently from XP Home
but I can't upload for some reason

[submix8c]

You have XP Pro "Generic" OEM, meaning that it's not "Manufacturer Specific" (not SLP/Preactivate). See this for more on that. If you need more info it can be given. See your other thread.

Also see Wiki for features differences.

edit - "XP HOME" Welcome Screen? It shouldn't be specifying AFAIK. What does the System Properties show?

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but after 1 minute operation without connection to internet, now bubbles pop up proclaiming that it is unsafe!!!

??? AutoUpdates? "Not now" when you installed?

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-setup does not ask for domain name and password

? It's not automatic. You have to JOIN a domain. See "System Properties" for "a bunch of stuff".

edit2 - AHHH! (see below) never thought of that. Home doesn't supply that.

(also you must have a bunch of uploads somewhere - delete unnecessary ones - look in your profile)

This post has been edited by submix8c: 04 October 2012 - 10:05 AM

[-X-]

http://www.tacktech....ay.cfm?ttid=422

Windows XP Professional (SP3) OEM

You can confirm that it's pro by searching the i386 folder for gpedit. The search results should contain 4 files.

This post has been edited by -X-: 04 October 2012 - 09:57 AM

[Molecule]

I don't have 4 gpedit files ... I have 5 gpedit files

what does that mean?
\system32\gpedit.dll
\system32\gpedit.msc
\system32\dllcache\gpedit.dll
\Help\gpedit.chm
\Help\gpedit.hlp

as to the hash values -- in a hex scan of the iso
there are 32,767 leading 0x00's before the first non-0x00 byte
there are 311,296 trailing 0x00's after the last non-0x00 byte

that would skew the hash
the tool that was used to pull the iso was ImgBurn
I'll need to check

edit - other iso's pulled with the same ImgBurn have leading and trailing 0x00s and their hash values check out
so that might not be it

does anyone recommend another tool
or should I blow off the leading and trailing NULLs and see what happens?

This post has been edited by Molecule: 04 October 2012 - 04:51 PM

[-X-]

5 on a running system is correct. I was referring to the 4 in the i386 folder of the CD. You definitely have XP Pro.

[submix8c]

Leading hex-0 is supposed to be there. Trailing hex-0 should not. The last thing that is valid will be "AutoCRC" plus 5-character-position hex-values. Hex-0's after that "don't count". ImgBurn incorrectly "rips" and leaves trailing hex-0's (just tested it). "AutoCRC" occurs in two places and the values don't match. Some info on AutoCRC and CRC32 here. I have no clue how AutoCRC works but it's placed into ISO's built with MS' CDIMAGE/OSCDIMG programs by using a parameter input. SO... I have no clue how you've obtained your other hash values that "check out". KB841290 contains FCIV, the "official" ("unsupported") SHA-1/MD5 program. As I said, HashMyFiles works fine also (gives many hashes).

[jaclaz]

Just in case:
https://help.ubuntu....ity/HowToMD5SUM
http://twiki.org/cgi...umsAfterBurning

Under windows I would try :

dsfo \\.\D: 0 0 NUL

(where D: is the drive letter of your CD/DVD drive)

jaclaz

[myselfidem]

Seems to me a warez!

[submix8c]

No, sir, My test was done with Home OEM SP1a. Yes, it's a direct "copy" of an original because at the time a neighbor had that installed and had lost the CD. The original was legitimately purchased as well and the same problem occurred. Nero saving the TRACK works fine (no trailing hex-0's). I'll test another if you like with a different software.

BTW, did you go read the link?

edit - Nero "Save Track as ISO" - perfect...
edit2 - MagicISO - perfect...
The ImgBurn has a fallacy.

This post has been edited by submix8c: 05 October 2012 - 03:23 PM

[myselfidem]

Well!

Where we can download GRTMPOEM_EN.ISO ?

[submix8c]

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116592

http://www.msfn.org/...istrator-accts/
Post#3 - the OP states purchased in-box
The topic here is how to "rip" the purchased to confirm (for some strange reason). I suppose that price could be a rip-off.
Also see this post#17.
Apparently Microcenter no longer has it in stock.
Microsoft "How to tell" apparently no longer shows XP.

This post has been edited by submix8c: 05 October 2012 - 02:55 PM

[myselfidem]

Many thanks submix8c , I understand now and the OP have Windows XP Pro SP3 !

And, yes four files can be found inside I386 folder:

GPEDIT.DL_
GPEDIT.HL_
GPEDIT.MS_
GPEDITW.CH_

Regards

This post has been edited by myselfidem: 05 October 2012 - 03:06 PM

[Molecule]

thanks to everyone for the help ...

when I first saw an XP logon screen, the one that I saw had a very sedate, calm and professional look and feel. It was kind of like the 2K logon, with a flatscreen look like linux logons, more colors than 2K logon with gold and blue and ... (memory fails).

as Vista was being phased over to 7, it was harder and harder to find XP (that was the marketing by fear rumor that I fell for anyway) so I bought a new mobo, memory, processor, video and hdd with XP pro OEM. Microcenter is kind of nationwide US, and there's one within biking distance from me. They sold me this 2002 version ... wow did I get a surprise. The logon screen is a total insult. Sorry to speak truth to power, but ... back in the dos days, there was this trick exe that one could send to a friend, which opened a small message box "Reformatting of your Hard drive is about to begin ... Click ABORT button to stop." Of course, as soon as the mouseover occured, the message box would jump to a random location ... driving the user crazy until he got the cruel joke.

Well ... that is what M$ did to its users with XP PRO v2002. The bouncing initial logon with its bouncing questionmark dingie is 3rd grader cruelgy. It's infantile and demeaning. So I figured it was not real MS. It was. I now believe MS is not so stupid as I thought. With XP Pro, v2002 SP3, I believe they dumbed down the interface, and made it harder to setup with a flattened classical logon and classical look and feel ... so that they could convince the user to bail on XP and go out and purchase Vista and/or 7. I believe this was intentional crippling of the last version of XP. It was done to make the user think XP was 3rd grade bubblegum and stupidity ... so that the user would upgrade to Vista and 7.

the hash value thing is quite a difficult one ... I frankly would prefer a hash of very byte on the CD from sector 0 to last, as proof that it's not a switch. I learned that the same burner software, and the same physical burner CD drive, and the same interior fileset, will add a 16x or 32x sectors (1 sector = 1024 ) as buffers. So lead in and traling buffer sizes can change, depending only on the media that is being burned. Somehow the burner has to sense how much buffer the target media is spec'd for, and provide it. Different media need different size buffers.

I ran the MD5's of each file of the CD and compared them to a European ISO and all the files checked out, except for 7 files (edit 7 files total being 5 help files, 1 eula statement, and 1 PID file for European versions, where the 2nd line in American version ends in =xxxxxxxOEM and European version ends in =xxxxxxx000. I'm going from memory here so PID and xxxxxxx are likely not exact.)

I'm not going to go to vista or 7 because of my old software (mainlyl cad ... so forth) ... I was thinking 2K would be my last M$ product but because of flash, I might shift that up to XP, or I might look for a server 2K3 ...

A quick question ... I see XP PRO SP2a on Craigslist all the time ... to get away from the forced bubblegum administrator thingie, I'm thinking of tossing v2002 and installing SP2a and then nLite SP3 ...

Does anyone know if XP pro SP2a + SP3 slipstream will give a first logon that is somewhat 2K-like, has one admin account, and doesn't have the welcome to bubblegum XP with bouncing ?-marks, to remind me of old DOS reformat jokes. In XP PRO v2002 you had to have a "SECRET Administrator" account (which M$ apparently wants to be so secret I wasn't sure whether as so-called owner I had all the necessary licenses with permission to access a "shady" admin account), and then you had to create a "Bubblegum Administrator" account, which the bouncing ?-mark idiotic thingie forces the user to install, and which logs on without passwords. The result is that XP PRO v2002 has, by force, 3 admin accounts ... and is unsafe with no forced passwords by default. It has SAFE-mode Administrator (doh), plus SECRET Administrator (or at least a sooo cool shady dood admin account that only clueless noobs like me don't know about), and then unlimited Bubblegum administrators ... none of whom require passwords ... I was really convinced that I was not looking at an XP system. I believe v2002 was probably crippled like that intentionally.

This post has been edited by Molecule: 10 October 2012 - 12:01 AM

[tomasz86]

XP can be also "unbloated" and configured in a way that it will look and behave similar to Windows 2000. Of course you can't make it as slim as 2K but it still can be a usable OS. A lot of tweaking is required though. Most of the things you're interested in can be probably done in nLite.

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I was thinking 2K would be my last M$ product but because of flash

What do you mean by "flash"?

[myselfidem]

Where do you bought your Windows XP Professional SP3 ?

Could you give us the link ?

I remember now I bought one and I have the Windows XP Professional SP3 OEM English version 2002 (2008) with 4 discs for MUI languages!

[submix8c]

Just google MicroCenter - I gave a couple of links. They no longer carry it but others still do (also gave a link). You may or may not be able to find the MUI CD's anymore.

Per the "differences" between what you purchased and the "Euro" version. Nope, the Euro version you reference is a Full (FPP) product, not "Generic OEM". Those are the specific files that are different and the label should/BETTER be GRTMPFPP_EN.

As for all of the "magic/stupid" stuff you keep talking about - it's the New Way. If you want to change away from the Welcome screen to the Win2K way, that's doable. Nearly everything can be "reverted" to a Win2k "feel". The Install is what it is and can be "modified" to allow for "eliminating" your so-called "bubble gum" screens that happen during install (e.g. nLite/WINNT.SIF). And ANY "pop-up bubbles" in the task bar can also be "tweaked" away.

You're making WAAAAAY too much of this.

[Molecule]

hey there tomasz86! ... seems like adobe is taking over everywhere ... the old macromedia (I think it was originally open source?) is becoming more pentagon war machine than the behemouth microsoft itself ... more and more "web" masters require flash + javascript as entry points to their data or sites ... it's become the preferred bubblegum hurling machine of choice!

while trying to build a pre-2K machine to run hfslip on, to build a final 2K system, I wanted to install from USB rather than tossing CDs (neurotic like that), but i encountered problems with bootable USB with my mobo + bios + 2K + install usb-image software. I bought a $8 hdd and tried a quick install of XP just to find out if the problem was with my mobo and bios, or somewhere else. When I loaded XP v2002 (purchased in 2008 with the then new hardware that I'm just now starting to use ... I assembled parts immediately, loaded 2K, and immediately couldn't figure out why MS forces me to be fake administrator of my own machine ... so I still had this 98 idea that an owner has a right to own and control his machine ... I now totally understand the BIG lie ... our home computers are not owned or controlled by us ... not even in the least scintlla as to any meaningful elements ... we don't even control the on off button ... we pay, but "our" computers are totally owned (meaning totally controlled) by the wall st-pentagon complex ... so except for a power to setup a computer that will reformat and restore the original system image EVERY time I turn it off, I accept that I have absolute ZERO control of "my" computer. I dont believe kaspersky, or norton, or other 100+ meg script kiddies give me ownership ... so I don't use AV at all. dont believe in it. haven't used AV or firewall yet in 98se and so far have never needed it ... not once! my hardware getting old, and the 28bit lba bios limits me to 128 gig hdds ... arghhh ... that hurts ... with no drivers for 98 for larger machines, I'm now forced to become Chief Administrator of my own Bubblegum Tweak-down ... I just don't care for the insults ... it's like being waterboarded in a cia-pentagon torture chamber with microsoft bubblegum ... I don't buy into the whole "bubblegum dimension" of a crass marxist materialist existence at all. If Chopin were alive today, would he be writing etudes, preludes, and mazurkas for this crass, insulting, crude and rude Microsoft God of Bubblegum "Reality?"

I see you have Blender on your 2K site ... are you doing 3D work at all .. if so, I built a VRML of Kepler's credenza model that will blow your mind. Me and Hartmut Warm are probably the two most hardcore Kepler fanatics in existence today. Hartmut Warm has made some AMAZING discoveries that really take Kepler to the next level. www.keplerstern.com

ok back to 2k ... when I installed XP v2002, I got the M$ waterboarded by bubblegum shock therapy. It's Mind Kult Ra (m-kult-ra, MKULTRA) torture by the bubblebum RA. Coming from 98se, XP is an insult. I don't know what ... I should write a book ... How MS (i.e. Pentagon Lite) waterboards its customers with marxist bubblegum. The internet (which is owned and controlled totally by the pentagon war machine, the pentagon being a bolshevik fifth column operation) is waterboarding the world with clueless useless crass commerical bubblegum ... squirted into our all faces by wall st fraudsters, gangsters and moral zombies like bill gates. google used to be ok ... now it's the pits ... the internet is becoming a worldwide gitmo operation, where humanity is being waterboarded with porn, stupidity and worst of all, bubblegum. bubblegum is getting so thick, I'm seriously thinking of throwing my "new" haha 2008 machine in the trash, and going back to 98se. Geez I hate it when M$ forces insulting stupid useless gimicks like bouncing ?-mark "tools" that do nothing. I never admired BG. In spite of his wealth (which he created by piracy and stealing) he's a racist supremacist ... a hypocrite, a wall st. zombie, a marxist mastadon, a crazed lunatic on a depopulation binge, which is purely racist in nature, jabbing all the kids of Africa in the side of their little necks with his so-called "vaccine" protection. 1972 UN-WHO technical documents are explicit in how to use vaccines to cause cancer, diabetes, aids, etc. auto-immune diseases, to depopulate the planet.

so ... pretty much that's what I mean by "flash" -- as Duke said, ahh ... now I feel much better. +10 points for health.

I foilowed your thread with win98! It was nice to see how he worked through the build and install. As your 52 comes together, if drop box starts to complain about bandwidth, you could maybe go with a CD+3 file iso build (instead of CD+2 as you have it now) by letting people add in their own gurglemeyer's 51 from major geeks or softpedia. you would only have to addin the 3 (or 4?) patches that Aust mentioned. Too bad gurglemeyer didn't leave his code. Also, rather than putting the "for personal use only" warning in the control panel uninstall section, I'd suggest putting it in the first panel of the command file. something like press F8 or whatever. then leave it like the original HFSLIP authors had it? I don't remember seeing that from prior experimentation from 8 years ago? after which I went back to 98se.

So, to confirm my mobo is bootable USB I decided to build an XP machine just for that one purpose. That's when I got the shock ... the way M$ treated me during installation, it was really insulting and disgusting ... Jaclaz had one of his "look here" links in one of his posts on another site, that pointed to some links that lead to some more links that lead to some pretty friendly guys over at a site called How to Not-Beat Ur Digitial Wife (or something like that ... hehe). But setting up an XP v2002 install to minimize the bubblegum will be a challenge. Even when you change the "theme" XPv2002 still flips me the bird when I logoff ... during shutdown, the last screen it shows is the original bubblegum look. ARGHHH!

Do you (or anyone) know if XP SP2a or 2c sets up a flatscreen, no bubblegum, 2K-like logon and logoff, after being nLited with SP3? I might be happier with OEM server 03? I'm pretty sure that setting up a CD XPv2002 with a bubblegum free interface will be an awful lot of work ... some of the nLite tweaks don't work, like regional timezone setting for example.

I see you're using 2K server ... any reasons you prefer server over pro? I see it must handle the 8gig you have for memory ok so that's nice. I think 2K pro memory limit is 4gig?

@myselfidem -- I bought my XP cd and computer (by parts) at a Microcenter store ... www.microcenter.com. The CD is part no. X14-72249. It's legit MS for sure, so the bubblegum comes straight from Bill Gates' ... face. The MS shipping label on the sealed envelope says it was built on 06-05-2008. It also says "Work Order No. MR086214-MR086227" ... hmmm maybe this is a OEM CD specially built just for Microcenter? In otherwords, Microsoft may have the ability to specialize the OEM disks, on a per workorder basis! Yikes! CDs are already different for europe and asia, and now they might be different for each OEM on a per work order basis?

[myselfidem]

Yep! I have the same CD:

GRTMPOEM_EN
Windows XP Professional
Includes Service Pack 3
Version 2002
© 2008 Microsoft Corporation
Part. N°. X14-72249

But like submix8c said: You're making WAAAAAY too much of this.

[tomasz86]

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I see you have Blender on your 2K site ... are you doing 3D work at all

Unfortunately, "no" The programs listed on my website are not exactly related to what I do. I've just been trying to list all popular applications which I'm able to make work in Win2k. Of course, most of the ones are those which I use myself but not all of them.

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I foilowed your thread with win98! It was nice to see how he worked through the build and install. As your 52 comes together, if drop box starts to complain about bandwidth, you could maybe go with a CD+3 file iso build (instead of CD+2 as you have it now) by letting people add in their own gurglemeyer's 51 from major geeks or softpedia. you would only have to addin the 3 (or 4?) patches that Aust mentioned. Too bad gurglemeyer didn't leave his code

This is an interesting idea although I'm not sure whether it would be good to make the things more fragmented than they're now. Of course doing so would be good to reduce the bandwidth but my original plan has been (and is at the moment) to prepare one big package with everything included.

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Also, rather than putting the "for personal use only" warning in the control panel uninstall section, I'd suggest putting it in the first panel of the command file. something like press F8 or whatever. then leave it like the original HFSLIP authors had it? I don't remember seeing that from prior experimentation from 8 years ago? after which I went back to 98se.

I think that you're confusing USP5.x with HFSLIP here The warning in the Control Panel comes from HFSLIP and has nothing to do with USP5.x itself.

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Do you (or anyone) know if XP SP2a or 2c sets up a flatscreen, no bubblegum, 2K-like logon and logoff, after being nLited with SP3? I might be happier with OEM server 03? I'm pretty sure that setting up a CD XPv2002 with a bubblegum free interface will be an awful lot of work ... some of the nLite tweaks don't work, like regional timezone setting for example.

Actually during the last few days I've done some testing with XP and I can share my own way to disable the "bubblegum" interface. It's different than nLite and what I like about it is that you don't need to physically delete any files.

In your XP source, open

• DOSNET.INF and comment (add ";" at the beginning) all lines with:
  
  

  blue_ss.dll
  home_ss.dll
  luna.mst
  luna.the
  metal_ss.dll
  winntbbu.dll
  

  
  
  
• TXTSETUP.SIF and comment all lines with:
  
  

  blue_ss.dll
  classic.the
  home_ss.dll
  luna.mst
  luna.the
  metal_ss.dll
  winntbbu.dll
  

  
  
  Scroll TXTSETUP.SIF to the bottom, remove the end of file character and add:
  
  

  [SourceDisksFiles]
  classic.the = 1,,,,,,,129,0,0,Luna.theme
  

These settings will install only the Classic Theme (it's actually disguised as "Luna" and Windows setup thinks that it's installing Luna while in reality it's the Classic Theme)


After that open:

• HIVEDEF.INF and add
  
  

  [AddReg]
  HKCU,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon","LogonType",0x10001,0x0
  

  
  
  
• HIVESFT.INF and add
  
  

  [AddReg]
  HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon","LogonType",0x10001,0x0
  

These settings will disable the "pretty" logon screen.
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I see you're using 2K server ... any reasons you prefer server over pro? I see it must handle the 8gig you have for memory ok so that's nice. I think 2K pro memory limit is 4gig?

That was my original reason for doing so but at the moment with the new versions of the BWC kernel it's no longer required as you can enable PAE and use 8GB of RAM in Win2k Pro too.

[Molecule]

that's some awesome information tomasz86 ... I will try it soon

before I do, I thought I'd ask ... I want to start with one administrator account, named Administrator, and that account has to logon with password, whether entering standard desktop or F8 safe mode. After Administrator passes logon and gets to desktop, then he can add users and define their policies.

in my current 2002 system when I deleted the required second bubblegum administrator account, logon is no longer offered or required. the machine goes straight from boot to desktop. I do not want that.

What do I do? Can I do the above and fix that at the same time? I'm going thru my stack of CD disks pretty fast so I thought I'd ask.

also, I tried F8 safe mode ... again, no logon ... wow! I can't beleive it! Any user can boot an XP system into safe mode, and function as safe-mode administrator, without a logon or a password! The option is to have 4 administrator accounts ... 2 bubblegum administrators (none named Administrator), 1 secret administrator (named Administrator), and 1 F8-Safe mode administrator, who doesn't need a logon.

in v2002 there are three states to an XP install ...
1st stage=dos format and copy
2nd=std vga gui (sets password for secret Administrator account)
3rd stage=friendly bouncing-? adds bubblegum administrators
at least two are required to get a logon screen, even after classic mode is selected under control panel, users, etc.

is this 3 stage install the standard for all prior versions of XP ... SP0, SP1, and SP2?

during 3rd stage, if I name only one administrator, then no logon screen will be presented at bootup even if classic mode logon is selected ... this is not what I want

If I name two admins at the bubblegum stage (not what I want), I get an icon screen for my logon choices -- MS picked out a really cool icon for my 1st bubblebum admin account -- it's a picture of the bottom end of a squatting skateboarder ... can you imagine the thouight of it! such beauty! the view was looking straight up at his squatting bottom end! such glory! he is turning, as if in the middle of squatting down on the desktop. soo cool! In actuality, I was a little offended by the view, thank you so very much Microsoft ...

I apologize for the raillery. I'm actually angered and frustrated. I'm sad that it takes so much effort to build an XP box with the charm and maturity and sweetness of a 2000 system. I should know that it's total vanity to hope that MS engineers will grasp the message and maybe ... change.

I am really just trying to install an XP system, with one administrator account, named Administrator, who has to logon with password, whether he is opening his standard desktop, or whether he is entering safe mode ... do I need to add any tweaks to the above to do that?

thanks so much for your generous help ...

... one frustrated little molecule