[Shane]

Given the use of API's built into explorer, people were bound to start reverse engineering it sooner or later. As far as I'm concerned the best thing to do is worry about the project and wait for DRM until you're close to a commercial release. You're not EA.

[vinifera]

MagicAndre1981, on 14 October 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Pwned is the username of this guy. I can't see any claims that he wrotes the patch.

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A beta was released, though it's time limited, so I patched it and made an easy-to-use installer.

you can see on picture that time is freezed

[maxtorix]

Easy guys, I'm MAXtoriX from BetaArhive (VIP member) Pwned is good member of our society and he properly sign the software developer who made this software and sign he self as that one who patch it.

Here is the proof, and the thread where he clearly write that he isn't developer of this software.



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@Tihiy: How I understand because of hardcoding there isn't possibility this to be installed on Windows 8 RP build 8400. So when you make a new version and when this will be corrected can we accept that this software except what will be possible to install on explorer.exe build 8400 to get and Aero too (because that is the last version before MS drop off aero technology)?

[ISOHaven]

Tihiy, on 14 October 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Booo! Now i'll have to delay or cripple Beta 1...

I wouldn't take it to heart too much. If anything you should be flattered. When I released some of my software for U3 drives, they all got jacked. But that didn't stop the sales. But yeah, this is all part of it and at least that guy gave 100% of the credit to you along with your other explorer project so you can also think of it as exposure and that's always a good thing!

If you need any private testing I'm sure some of us could help you out

[vinifera]

maxtorix, on 14 October 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

from BetaArhive (VIP member)

we don't care what you are there

maxtorix, on 14 October 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Pwned is good member of our society

again we don't care

doing something onto either a project or creation of another without original author's permition is disgusting

This post has been edited by vinifera: 14 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

[maxtorix]

vinifera, on 14 October 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

maxtorix, on 14 October 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

from BetaArhive (VIP member)

we don't care what you are there

maxtorix, on 14 October 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Pwned is good member of our society

again we don't care

doing something onto either a project or creation of another without original author's permition is disgusting

I don't care what are you here

[dencorso]

vinifera, on 14 October 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

doing something onto either a project or creation of another without original author's permition is disgusting

@MAXtoriX: Consider that "liberating" the work of one of the few programmers able to creatively modify/customize/set right MS's impositions on the users at large is a great incentive for that programmer to move on to greener fields and let users fend for themselves... the more so, since he's already given so much to the community, for free. No pilfering can be ever condoned, but Pwned is doing more than just pilfering, he/she is also helping the big software houses have their way unimpeded, by showing any programmer interested in giving the users options that their hard work can never be rewarded. At the end of the day, who is getting actually pwned?

[roirraW "edor" ehT]

Since it is very convenient to be able to right click on the lower-left corner "Modern UI" thumbnail, normally, to be able to access several tools which aren't in "Administrative Tools" such as Device Manager, and both Command Prompt and Command Prompt as Admin, is there any easy way to keep me from missing that? To add all of the missing functions somewhere else?

[roirraW "edor" ehT]

Just a suggestion, but perhaps it would be better to let Tihiy respond to the betaarchive members in whatever way he feels appropriate. His opinion and response concerning his software is the only one that matters, even if some or all of us agree with some or all of how he feels about it being patched and distributed, which is a clear violation of Tihiy's conditions of testing the beta. I wrote this last night but never hit submit.

[Tihiy]

roirraW"edor" ehT, on 15 October 2012 - 04:22 AM, said:

Since it is very convenient to be able to right click on the lower-left corner "Modern UI" thumbnail, normally, to be able to access several tools which aren't in "Administrative Tools" such as Device Manager, and both Command Prompt and Command Prompt as Admin, is there any easy way to keep me from missing that? To add all of the missing functions somewhere else?

Press Win-X. I may combine this menu with right-click startbutton menu in the future.

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Just a suggestion, but perhaps it would be better to let Tihiy respond to the betaarchive members in whatever way he feels appropriate.

I did, but answer didn't appear Beta 1 is coming later, new features to test and cracking to make more difficult...

[roirraW "edor" ehT]

Tihiy, on 15 October 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

Press Win-X. I may combine this menu with right-click startbutton menu in the future.

I did, but answer didn't appear Beta 1 is coming later, new features to test and cracking to make more difficult...

Thanks!

Looking forward to further testing.

[Servelius]

Why does the menu close on its own after you stop mouse for a second, what if you need more time to choose a program? That way it screws up the whole idea of a Start Menu.

Other than that it works perfectly well. I don't mind error pop ups on first run of configtool.exe, error "can't obtain data..." show up only once or twice so no biggy.

Can I suggest to update the first post when StartIsBack gets updated?

[roirraW "edor" ehT]

Servelius, on 15 October 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

Why does the menu close on its own after you stop mouse for a second, what if you need more time to choose a program? That way it screws up the whole idea of a Start Menu.

Other than that it works perfectly well. I don't mind error pop ups on first run of configtool.exe, error "can't obtain data..." show up only once or twice so no biggy.

Can I suggest to update the first post when StartIsBack gets updated?

I'm not having the trouble of the menu closing on it's own. I hovered in one place (over start menu button, over other areas of start menu) for ten seconds without it doing that.

Do you have any third-party mouse driver or mouse-related software?

[PandaX]

riahc3, on 12 October 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Tihiy, on 10 October 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

* Constructive concepts are welcome

Constructive? Don't charge for this.

Put a thousand ads in the installer (only the installer) and you'll get it back

Otherwise, people will just pirate it.

I've got to agree with this really.

I understand your efforts to bring it back, I wouldn't mind donating the amount you'd charge for it, simply for the effort, but charging for it I disagree with. It's not about the amount for me, it's about what it means to charge for a replica of someone else's creation.

Though I wouldn't pirate it, I simply wouldn't get it.

[roirraW "edor" ehT]

Here's my two cents, no offense to anyone:

There are plenty of utilities out there, including some which are charged for, which are replicas.

This actually isn't a replica, to my understanding. It's a combination of what Microsoft left of the Start Menu in the code with Tihiy's work to make it still useable.

I feel that I don't really have a right to an opinion concerning his choice to charge or how to charge. He can do whatever he wants with it. It's due to his work that he brings Microsoft's start menu code back to the UI. He's not charging for Microsoft's code. The code's already in Windows 8. He's charging for his own code which makes the Start Menu available to us, plus any tweaks or fixes or additions for any code that MS actually did remove.

If he decides to go one direction with charging and people don't actually buy it, he'd more than likely reduce the price (although I suspect it won't be very much to begin with) or whatever he decides to do, or change nothing at all. It's his choice, his creation and he can do whatever he wants with it.

[ISOHaven]

Here's another point of view. For home, I wouldn't really care which direction it went. Paid or ads (preferred paid). But for business...ads are a no go. I cannot implement anything ad driven.

On a side note, what's worked "well" for many people:

Free - ad driven
Paid - ad removal

Simple as that. But all in all, ads are a PITA for developers. I tried that direction once and quickly stopped.

[Tihiy]

BETA ONE "THE ONE"
http://tihiy.net/fil...ack_betaone.zip

* Will expire November 1.
* No longer tied to RTM explorer.exe. Should work with all updates. Works with Release Preview also (but i won't spend my efforts on it).
* Slighly improved cracking protection. Some AV programs may detect heuristic malware.

FIXED:
* Start_AdminToolsTemp issue
* Start button could be closed with Alt-F4

NEW:
* Start Is Apps! Now the separation between desktop and Metro i promised is here (optional). When you enable it:
- Start will be renamed to Apps
- Pin to Start will disappear from shell context menus
- Desktop programs will be hidden from Metro start screen and all apps list
* Start/App screen can show on right winkey (optional)
* Start/App screen hides on Alt-F4
* Start menu is transparent (optional)
* Taskbar is not (optional)

You must uninstall beta 0 and logoff since you can't replace files while StartIsBack is working. Don't worry, installer will come soon!

This post has been edited by Tihiy: 15 October 2012 - 03:08 PM

[MagicAndre1981]

nice I'll try it

[roirraW "edor" ehT]

Wow, most impressive! Uninstalling Zero and installing One now!

[ISOHaven]

So far with a new installation of Server 2012 and Win8....no more Reg problems. As soon as I get back from lunch I'll play with your new features.

EDIT:

Everything seems to be running great for me. The new features work. I know some people will like the no transparency. Just FYI, when you turn OFF transparency the user tile border is still transparent. I know how anal some people get about it But not me, I like the transparency. I think it looks great!

This post has been edited by ISOHaven: 15 October 2012 - 04:01 PM