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After using 8.1 for a while and encountering a few issues I've just gone back to 8 (fresh install).  I use the option "use small taskbar buttons", and the top of the start button sticks out above the taskbar (using the white win8 logo option, also applies to others though).  Ticking "resize to fit taskbar" and reimporting the icons seems to have no effect.  I've tried resizing them myself in Gimp, but the end result is pretty ugly no matter which downsampling option I use.  On 8.1, the icon is nice and compact.  Is there a fix for this?

 

EDIT: One of the icons from here was suitable:

http://warrenclyde.d...-Orbs-320240575

 

Also, can we please have the advanced context menu present in 8.1?  I can't find the option in 8.


Edited by Pirateguybrush, 06 January 2014 - 10:38 AM.



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hello. is there a known bug that sometimes restarts the desktop windows manager ( dwm process ) when I click the start button ? usually it does this the first time I push the button after a cold boot. sometimes even after that. I reverted to version 2.1.1 and that solved the issue for about 2 months and now the problem is back. please help me



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Also, can we please have the advanced context menu present in 8.1?  I can't find the option in 8.

It's called "Combine start button menu with Win-X menu".

 

hello. is there a known bug that sometimes restarts the desktop windows manager ( dwm process ) when I click the start button ? usually it does this the first time I push the button after a cold boot. sometimes even after that. I reverted to version 2.1.1 and that solved the issue for about 2 months and now the problem is back. please help me

No, such bug is not known, must be video driver problem.


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Perfect, thanks!



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I have a wierd situation with StartIsBack for 8.1

 

I have installed it on 2 identical Visio CT15-A5 computers, freshly upgraded from win8 to win 8.1

 

One works fine, 

The other does not seem to even be installing properly. 

 

I have re-downloaded the latest version and tried to re-install.

 

No go on the second computer, the only way to get the start menu on this one is to hit the Windos key. Hovering over the start area (lower left) does not do anything.

 

Any help or suggestions will be valued.

Cheers,

JoeKL

 



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this is the Version for Win8, for Win8.1 use StartIsBack+:

 

http://www.msfn.org/...tartisback-152/


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@Tihiy , you know I've been an early adopter, and supporter of this project.

I try to promote it too at my University,  however people feel reluctant to install Trial Software and prefer to opt for free alternative because they only need absolute basic out of start menu.

 

I thought I might suggest a freeware version of StartIsBack Light with 98% configuration and functions removed or greyed out, just to get people on bored with SiB, those who want all the setting will want to pay, other will stick to Light version but wont go to alternative products.

 

just an idea.



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why is StartIsBack not compiled with ASLR (http://en.wikipedia....t_randomization) enabled?

 

Explorer_StartIsBack_ASLR.png


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When StartIsBack was incepted, it was required. This requirement was lifted after but dynamicbase wasn't corrected.

Thanks for pointing it, it would be corrected in next SIB+ release. Not that it matter.

To make ASLR matter, one have to target StartIsBack and that makes no sense since StartIsBack does not give any elevation points nor can expose information.



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@Tihiy , you know I've been an early adopter, and supporter of this project.

I try to promote it too at my University,  however people feel reluctant to install Trial Software and prefer to opt for free alternative because they only need absolute basic out of start menu.

 

I thought I might suggest a freeware version of StartIsBack Light with 98% configuration and functions removed or greyed out, just to get people on bored with SiB, those who want all the setting will want to pay, other will stick to Light version but wont go to alternative products.

 

just an idea.

 

 

Another option could be an alternate license type for Students / Educational institutions, requiring registration with a *.edu address. The *.edu address could then be displayed prominently on the start menu to prevent abuse of the license type (such as distributing it to friends or on torrent sites).

 

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Developers of very expensive software packages often offer discounts to students or educational institutions as a marketing strategy. Students become familiar with the software while at college and promote it to friends, who then enter the workforce in many different companies and pitch it to their employers, who pay full price.


Edited by fysics, 31 July 2014 - 04:19 PM.


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Developers of very expensive software packages often offer discounts to students or educational institutions as a marketing strategy. Students become familiar with the software while at college and promote it to friends, who then enter the workforce in many different companies and pitch it to their employers, who pay full price.

 

In other words Tihiy should strongly increase the license price in order to be able to afford giving away for free to students? :w00t: :unsure:

 

I will gladly contribute however. :yes:

 

Please send me the names and the .edu address of up to 50 students attending college that cannot afford to pay US$ 2.99 for a license of StartisBack.

 

As soon as I will additionally receive  proof that they did not (in the least six months):

  • ever had a drink at a pub
  • ever had a coffe at a Starbucks (or corresponding local coffee house chain)
  • ever paid a meal in a pizza house or restaurant in excess of US$ 10 more than the "standard" BigMac price

 

AND that they do not possess more than one device among:

  • Laptop
  • Tablet
  • Smartphone

AND that they have:

  • no more than two USB sticks
  • no more than one external USB hard disk
  • no TV sets with screen larger than 24" 

I will pay Tihiy directly the fee for a license in their name. :whistle:

 

jaclaz



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Developers of very expensive software packages often offer discounts to students or educational institutions as a marketing strategy. Students become familiar with the software while at college and promote it to friends, who then enter the workforce in many different companies and pitch it to their employers, who pay full price.

 

In other words Tihiy should strongly increase the license price in order to be able to afford giving away for free to students? :w00t: :unsure:

 

I will gladly contribute however. :yes:

 

Please send me the names and the .edu address of up to 50 students attending college that cannot afford to pay US$ 2.99 for a license of StartisBack.

 

As soon as I will additionally receive  proof that they did not (in the least six months):

  • ever had a drink at a pub
  • ever had a coffe at a Starbucks (or corresponding local coffee house chain)
  • ever paid a meal in a pizza house or restaurant in excess of US$ 10 more than the "standard" BigMac price

 

AND that they do not possess more than one device among:

  • Laptop
  • Tablet
  • Smartphone

AND that they have:

  • no more than two USB sticks
  • no more than one external USB hard disk
  • no TV sets with screen larger than 24" 

I will pay Tihiy directly the fee for a license in their name. :whistle:

 

jaclaz

 

 

That's a lot of IFs, man!  Can't we make it simpler?  ;)



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That's a lot of IFs, man!  Can't we make it simpler?   ;)

 

Simpler, just two steps :yes::

  1. start begging in the street until you get 3 (three) or more US$ or do some work in order to save US$ 3 (or equivalent in your local currency)
  2. send them to Tihiy in exchange of a license

 

Please understand how this method is to be preferred as you won't have to share a lot of personal data with the grumpy Italian backer (yours truly ;)) and this, beside saving some work for him :), will avoid the IRS inspection (or equivalent in your country) that he would otherwise promote, fiscal inspection that would include you, your partner (if any) and all your family and relatives including first and second cousins. 

 

jaclaz

 

 

 



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I never went to college.  Now I feel discriminated against!



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LOL you guys!  I compromised.  I went to college, I just never finished.



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I registered.  Found out they had nothing but NT4.0 classes.  NT4.0 was on it's way out the door then realized my diploma would be something that actually expired.  I wasn't about to pay 40+ grand for that (today around 100k+).  Now I have well over 10 years experience under my belt which is worth way more than a diploma in this field.

Experience AND a diploma....I would hate those people except they're STILL paying off their student loans.  Poor bastards....oh....now I get it.  Yeah, they need a freebie handout.



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I'm still paying off my student loans 20 years later, and I didn't finish.   :crazy: My own fault, though.  Life's good now, too!



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Life's good now, too!

That's all that really matters! :thumbup



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Life's good now, too!

That's all that really matters! :thumbup

 

 

You're right about that!  :)  Good to end a Friday at work on a happy note.



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lmao.

 

The idea is that you get SiB into the hands of students who otherwise would be uninterested in it.

 

I am personally a student, but I also own a SiB license. I've tried other Start menu replacements, but SiB is far far superior. The cost is not prohibitive by any means.

 

 

The goal would be to get SiB into the hands of corporate IT managers, using new hires from college as the vector. Tihiy could then gain licenses for deploying it across an entire IT infrastructure as it upgrades to Windows 8/8.1/9 inevitably. The current marketing strategy focuses primarily on individual consumers who are unsatisfied with Windows 8's lack of a start menu, and less on corporations who are reluctant to make the switch to Windows 8 despite its advantages. I feel like there's a lot more money available in the corporate market, due to sheer volume.



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lmao.

 

The idea is that you get SiB into the hands of students who otherwise would be uninterested in it.

 

I am personally a student, but I also own a SiB license. I've tried other Start menu replacements, but SiB is far far superior. The cost is not prohibitive by any means.

 

 

The goal would be to get SiB into the hands of corporate IT managers, using new hires from college as the vector. Tihiy could then gain licenses for deploying it across an entire IT infrastructure as it upgrades to Windows 8/8.1/9 inevitably. The current marketing strategy focuses primarily on individual consumers who are unsatisfied with Windows 8's lack of a start menu, and less on corporations who are reluctant to make the switch to Windows 8 despite its advantages. I feel like there's a lot more money available in the corporate market, due to sheer volume.

 

Unfortunately I highly doubt many "corporations" will go with this.  I tried when we were all Win8 and they just wouldn't bite with 8.1 right around corner which solved most no menu problems.  Then once they saw the new start menu in Win9 that pretty much killed it completely.


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Then they really bring back the start menu in Win 9? What about the aero glass?



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Then they really bring back the start menu in Win 9? What about the aero glass?

No glass that I know about.


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Using

start %~dp0StartIsBackPlus_setup.exe /elevated /silent

under setupcomplete.cmd will destroy SIB function for being uninstalled or upgraded.

 

It will not let you reboot after you have upgraded or rebooted, it will simply log out user.

 

If force rebooting you will be back without any back background and no explorer available for use. And you are forced to install the same installation again..

 

 

Tested on 3 different machines + virtualbox.

 

Can you fix this for unattended use?


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