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Why you should avoid buying Windows 8


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My best uptime is Windows 2000, it runs for months and only goes down when there is a power outage.

And, again:

The point is the actual AMOUNT of uptime.
I have some NT 4.00 and 2K running 24/7 since 2002 or 2003 only switched off/rebooted a few times to replace disks and/or PSU's, that is some "uptime", ....

.... and since they run connected to an UPS and there is a backup Power Generator serving the building, these machines were NOT ever switched off in case of power outage (only for actual hardware faults or intentionally for due maintenance/cleaning).

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My best uptime is Windows 2000, it runs for months and only goes down when there is a power outage.

And, again:

The point is the actual AMOUNT of uptime.
I have some NT 4.00 and 2K running 24/7 since 2002 or 2003 only switched off/rebooted a few times to replace disks and/or PSU's, that is some "uptime", ....

.... and since they run connected to an UPS and there is a backup Power Generator serving the building, these machines were NOT ever switched off in case of power outage (only for actual hardware faults or intentionally for due maintenance/cleaning).

kids today, just kids having fun ;)...
http://www.imdb.com/...es?qt=qt0298600

:lol:

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Yep, Win2k and Win2k3 are definitely the best OSes MS ever made.

Mint has a ready-made WinME/2000 Theme for those that prefer simple windows with no pimping (see screenshot above).

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Try Linux Mint 13 MATE, has classic start button & customizable taskbar. My current uptime is 26 days and no more Windows BSODs.

I've said that if Microsoft doesn't make it so that I can avoid their Metro thing altogether, then when Windows 7 support runs out my screen will start looking like this.

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What distro is that? Mint MATE 14 was just released, has latest kernel to support Intel z77 platform. Here's my old Ubuntu, with only 8 GB memory, can run simultaneously Windows 2000, Windows 7 and Windows 8 Developer Preview.

That was Zorin OS 5.2, based on Ubuntu Natty Narwhal. There's a more current version 6, based on a newer Ubuntu edition, but I haven't had the chance to try it out.

What I like about it (and it's designed to be this way) is that it emulates the Windows experience, which is a plus for folks coming over from the Windows world. A lot of things are different of course, but there's an attempt to make the user experience feel less alien.

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  • Tripredacus thinks that measuring uptime and using it to make a point, *any* point about "good" or "bad" OS is meaningless metrics
  • jaclaz thinks that while it is generally speaking meaningless metrics, the actual amount of uptime used in the given example is so trifling small that even IF uptime actually had some meanings, 26 days of it mean nothing anyway
  • jorgeA thinks that uptime is meaningful and - in order to prove it - compares the meanigless 26 days of your Linux with his meaningless 1 day uptime experience with 7

Do not put words in my mouth. I neither think nor said nor implied any such thing. :angry: If you think that I thought, or said, or implied anything like that, that is your mistake.

Once again, *sigh* I was talking about the perception of Linux being more stable than Windows. I have no opinion about one or the other OS on that issue. The fact that my new Win7 system crashed so soon after getting it was meant merely to illustrate the point about that perception. My own experiences (as described in a previous post) lead me to agree with @Tripredacus that:

In the end, no OS is better than another in a general use standpoint so there is no reason to even have a debate.


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I have been running Zorin 6.0 for quite some time now and it is very stable and dose everything I need it to do .There is a release 6.1 out now and if you have 6.0 just let it update no big deal .Zorin has become my main system and love it. I do how ever have windows on a drive just in case something should come up where I should need it! Don't know what that would be !

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Do not put words in my mouth. I neither think nor said nor implied any such thing. :angry: If you think that I thought, or said, or implied anything like that, that is your mistake.

Sure :), that was what I perceived (and nothing more, nor less).

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I have been running Zorin 6.0 for quite some time now and it is very stable and dose everything I need it to do .There is a release 6.1 out now and if you have 6.0 just let it update no big deal .Zorin has become my main system and love it. I do how ever have windows on a drive just in case something should come up where I should need it! Don't know what that would be !

Cool! At the risk of veering OT (off-topic), I've been curious over what the differences are between Zorin 5.2 and 6, in terms of user features. Been on their forum and website a number of times and can't find (or have forgotten) the page where they list what's new and what's been dropped in the new version.

Maybe "The Finder" can locate that info. ;) :thumbup

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Edited by JorgeA, 21 November 2012 - 11:10 PM.


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Maybe "The Finder" can locate that info. ;) :thumbup

Actually *anyone* can.
Try typing "Zorin changelog" on google and press [ENTER]:
http://linux.softped...elog-47533.html

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Try typing "Zorin changelog" on google and press [ENTER]:
http://linux.softped...elog-47533.html

Ahh, "changelog" was the critical search term to do the trick. ¡Gracias/merci/grazie!

And Zorin OS 6 looks even slicker than 5.2:
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So here is Mint 13 on my 2nd machine running Windows 7 and 2000, everything is in Windows Classic Look. ;)

Pretty snazzy. Can you give Mint a Vista/Win7 (or even Longhorn) look?

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Edited by JorgeA, 22 November 2012 - 09:14 AM.


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So here is Mint 13 on my 2nd machine running Windows 7 and 2000, everything is in Windows Classic Look. ;)

Pretty snazzy. Can you give Mint a Vista/Win7 (or even Longhorn) look?

--JorgeA


Mint has stayed away from transparent windows and other Windows-like bling. But there are Theme editors so you can bake your own. ;)

Same thing with gkrellm (right side of my desktop), a very useful app but its UI is very ugly, so I tweaked my own Theme with a text editor in less than 5 minutes. I’d be happy to upload it if anybody’s interested.

Ububtu is the most advanced distro but has the W8-like Mickey Mouse UI, however you can install Ubu 12.10 then add the MATE desktop with instructions in http://mate-desktop.org

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people need to stop complaining cause they dont know how to use windows 8 new features and design. if you dont like to try new things then go back to XP !

Edited by Woomera, 24 November 2012 - 05:25 AM.


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people need to stop complaining cause they dont know how to use windows 8 new features and design. if you dont like to try new things then go back to XP !

I thought that people were complaining because they know perfectly well how to use windows 8 new features and design BUT simply hate them. :unsure:

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I think windows 8 is more or less for the young people and cell phones.It's is not anything I would want on my Desk top or laptop for what I use a computer for. What it all comes down to is a person's personal preference !

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win 8 = "modern" win 3.1

Edited by vinifera, 25 November 2012 - 05:59 PM.

If you want true Windows user experience
try Longhorn builds: 3718, 4029, 4066

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I think windows 8 is more or less for the young people and cell phones.It's is not anything I would want on my Desk top or laptop for what I use a computer for. What it all comes down to is a person's personal preference !

+1 to everything you said!

If only Microsoft hadn't forgotten/neglected that concept of user choice, this thread might have developed in a totally different direction.

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win 8 = "modern" win 3.1

Right on!!

Basically, the Metro side of Win8 features a program launcher (the Start Screen) with no taskbar showing open applications, just like the Win3.1 Program Manager.

I never warmed up to that idea in Windows 3.11, why would I like it in Windows 8?

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P.S. (and OT): Looking at your signature, in 2012 how could someone try out those Longhorn builds?

Edited by JorgeA, 26 November 2012 - 12:01 AM.


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Basically, the Metro side of Win8 features a program launcher (the Start Screen) with no taskbar showing open applications, just like the Win3.1 Program Manager.
I never warmed up to that idea in Windows 3.11, why would I like it in Windows 8?

Lest we not forget Microsoft Windows Bob around the Win 3.1/95 era.


Impressive how you can replace "Bob" with "8" and they still match so well.

For more info:
http://en.wikipedia....i/Microsoft_Bob

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I believe everyone should just STOP upgrading their Windows because MS is too careless with their OS and they damage it in just as many ways as they improve it, ignore all feedback and then force it on you some day, whether you like it or not. Microsoft needs to be a more responsive-to-feedback and transparent company. With Sinofsky leaving, there's is little bit of hope but I am not sure Julie Green listens even a little bit to feedback either.

Edited by xpclient, 26 November 2012 - 05:55 AM.

Impossible to run NT6 without third party fixes.


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P.S. (and OT): Looking at your signature, in 2012 how could someone try out those Longhorn builds?


vmware 6.5 :P (not 6.05 but 6.5)

Edited by vinifera, 26 November 2012 - 02:39 PM.

If you want true Windows user experience
try Longhorn builds: 3718, 4029, 4066

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Impressive how you can replace "Bob" with "8" and they still match so well.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Impressive how you can replace "Bob" with "8" and they still match so well.

For more info:
http://en.wikipedia....i/Microsoft_Bob

The funny thing :unsure: is that when it came out, you were 14 or so :w00t: , and most probably you would have considered it "cool" ;).

If anyone needs/wants (BTW WHY?) to see it in all it's aberration, a number of educative screenshots are available here:
http://toastytech.com/guis/bob.html

And yes, BOB is also "responsible" for Comic Sans MS:
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1000673

and consequent slow suicides :ph34r:
http://www.msfn.org/...ns/page__st__52

and for some of the senseless characters of the animated help in later versions such as "rover", BTW - and this says a lot of things about the Patent Office - the thingy has been patented:
http://nbnl.globalwh...er-seen-before/
http://www.google.co...tents/US5682469


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Edited by jaclaz, 26 November 2012 - 01:33 PM.


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I also had wanted something more out of Microsoft Bob. The strange thing about it is that it is designed to appear like a point and click adventure game. I knew it wasn't a game but I was always interested in the concept of it. I had no use for such a program as a kid as I didn't know anything about checkbooks or whatever else you could do in there. It probably made things more confusing for people than it needed to be. I'd expect that adults didn't like it because it looked too much like a game, and kids didn't like it because it looked like a game but wasn't.

The Packard Bell version may be slightly cooler since you get to see your 3D house... but hope it doesn't rain because there is no roof.
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Indeed. Saying that it's because people are unable or unwilling to adapt to changes is condescending and absurd. Loads of us adapted from 8 bit computers all the way to Win7 with zero problems, and that's including a lot of non-MS operating systems. But Win8 is just a huge step back in usability on a desktop and I will not have any of that. It seems to me like an OS only complete novices could possibly like. Highly inefficient, crippled, backwards and severely dumbed-down but it's probably easy to use by kids who've only ever used touch-phone like devices before and who don't need to do much besides checking facebook.

I think it's by far the worst version not only of Windows, but of all their operating systems since MS DOS 3.x at least. It even makes Vista seem like a nice upgrade. If MS continues in that direction they're going to find themselves in big trouble pretty quickly.
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use by kids who've only ever used touch-phone like devices before and who don't need to do much besides checking facebook.


exactly
the spoiled stupid brats with no brain
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try Longhorn builds: 3718, 4029, 4066




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