[Phaenius]

Yes, but weird, isn't it, ONLY to audio ? Everything else works peachy.

I avoided mentioning the moving because first I don't think it is of much importance and second, I was SURE you would blame that.

This post has been edited by Phaenius: 19 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

[submix8c]

NOW you see what we've all been going through - "dis-and/or-mis-and/or-lackof-information"...

"Move that good connection to the Monitor Amp, would you? O crap! It's making NOISE now!"

I rest my case Your Honor!

(edit to fix descriptive example)

This post has been edited by submix8c: 19 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

[bphlpt]

Phaenius, on 19 January 2013 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yes, but weird, isn't it, ONLY to audio ? Everything else works peachy.

I avoided mentioning the moving because first I don't think it is of much importance and second, I was SURE you would blame that.

Maybe weird, but you have no proof that it's not to blame. And I don't like to believe in coincidence.

Cheers and Regards

[Phaenius]

It's a long shot. Moving the car from one place to another each day can cause disruptions in the electrical systems ? Not to mention cars suffer heavy exploits, like weather changing and mechanical shocks. I didn't said it didn't happened, but it has a low to zero probability.

[bphlpt]

The difference is that the car is made to move, made to withstand the environment, made to withstand the mechanical shocks, etc, and even then movement does cause parts of the car to fail as well, whereas the desktop computer is not made to move by any stretch of the imagination. I don't care who built it, not even me. Assuming you were very careful in the move, I think the odds are more probably in the low to mid range. Depending on the bumps it encountered it could be above mid, but there is no way in h*ll it is near zero. There are just too many interconnected pieces in your system that are not solidly locked together and incapable of any movement. or having something bump up against something else, etc. Also, from what you describe above, you noticed the problems suddenly, right after the move, not gradually as you said earlier. It's just too coincidental. But I tell you what. I won't speculate anymore if you won't either. Otherwise I might start yelling like submix8c, or just ignore you. Just tell me what you find after you clean and reassemble everything, and I mean everything, the computer and the entire hardware chain, and retest. Then we'll talk again.

Cheers and Regards

This post has been edited by bphlpt: 20 January 2013 - 03:51 AM

[jaclaz]

Phaenius, on 20 January 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

It's a long shot. Moving the car from one place to another each day can cause disruptions in the electrical systems ? Not to mention cars suffer heavy exploits, like weather changing and mechanical shocks. I didn't said it didn't happened, but it has a low to zero probability.

This is one of the advantages of Italian.

A car is related to the concept of mobilità=mobility.
A house is related to the the concept of immobiliare=real estate.

Cars are made to move, houses are made to stay where they are .
Relative accessories tend to be the same.

JFYI, a very common issue since the advent of SATA disks is that their senseless (theoretically 50 insertions worth ) connector will often disconnect when moving.
The issue is so serious that most OEM's have one way or the other to "fix" the connector to allow safely shipping to the end customer.

For the record, old ISA cards had a very similar tendency.

jaclaz

[Phaenius]

bphlpt, I noticed problems suddenly, because I started using the sound card's headphones output suddenly. Otherwise, I might have not noticed it.

jaclaz, I don't know what you are talking about SATA and ISA and insertions. I kept the computer suspended in mid air while moving, using my Jedi powers.

[bphlpt]

Phaenius, on 20 January 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

bphlpt, I noticed problems suddenly, because I started using the sound card's headphones output suddenly. Otherwise, I might have not noticed it.

So you have no way of knowing whether it was actually gradual or sudden. I guess you'll believe what you want and I'll do the same. Let me know what happens after the cleaning.

Cheers and Regards

[Phaenius]

Care to share what you believe ?

Sure, I will post impressions "the job". It will be done probably on Wednesday.

[bphlpt]

Pretty much what we've all been saying all along, but now with a very possible reason as to why/how. It could be that something, board, cable, whatever, is ever so slightly loose causing a poor connection. Or a small piece of something got into a connection point causing interference, short, and/or signal degradation. Stress of movement caused a cable to fail or weaken internally. Movement caused torque which strained a connector or connection causing an iffy signal path. Movement caused something conductive to touch something it shouldn't, and it still is. If one of the various boards involved is damaged, it could have been caused by this same mechanism or by the mechanical stress of the collision. While any electrical component can fail on its own for various reasons, the likelihood of damage increases exponentially when electrical and/or mechanical stress is applied. Look, I really don't want to speculate anymore and I don't want you to either. I'll talk to you again after you do "the job", and I'm serious about doing everything, the computer and the entire hardware chain. I'm done until then.

Cheers and Regards

[jaclaz]

Phaenius, on 20 January 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

I kept the computer suspended in mid air while moving, using my Jedi powers.

Naah, I can feel the force flowing around you.
Strong it is not. That... not ready for the burden were you.
Patience you must have, my young padawan.

http://1.bp.blogspot...600/lolcat5.bmp

jaclaz

[Phaenius]

Blast the city I'm living in! I spend a whole day looking for Kontakt S and Kontact U. All I found in just one store is G-22. http://www.duecielec...=070+-+G-22&k=6 It also has chemical formula downloadable on that page. Is it good ? Shall I buy it or order a Kontakt U from the internet ? Even online I haven't found anything else. Any advice ?

This post has been edited by Phaenius: 21 January 2013 - 09:39 AM

[Tripredacus]

bphlpt, on 20 January 2013 - 03:50 AM, said:

The difference is that the car is made to move, made to withstand the environment, made to withstand the mechanical shocks, etc, and even then movement does cause parts of the car to fail as well, whereas the desktop computer is not made to move by any stretch of the imagination.

This same problem happened to a friend when he set out to design a car computer back in 1999. He solved the problem by using no extra cards and designing some suspension system using rubber bands to keep the hard disk from banging around inside the case.

[jaclaz]

Phaenius, on 21 January 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Blast the city I'm living in! I spend a whole day looking for Kontakt S and Kontact U.

Well, CRC Kontact 60/WL/61 was suggested as a THREE STEP chemical process to deoxidize/clean/stabilize/restore corroded contacts here:
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1025495

BTW you yourself stated here:
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1025500
how you found AG Kontact U at a local store.

Then you stated how you would use "universal lotion" instead as the chemical companies are all in a conspiracy to get money from your wallet.

And now your local store is out of stock of AG Kontact U?

Or you LIED at the time?

BTW, all you need now is maybe to ONLY clean contacts, i.e. any "generic" contact cleaner such as:
http://www.crcindust...l.aspx?PN=03070
may do, though, personally I would still use a "high-end" product with additional features.

If you are going to order through the Internet, and you are beyond your previous el-cheapo approach , this would do nicely:
http://store.caig.co...category.188/.f


jaclaz

[submix8c]

(heh-heh...)

If it's Alcohol you want to use, why don't you get something with High Alcohol Content? Warning! Use first before consumption of remainder!

[jaclaz]

submix8c, on 21 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

(heh-heh...)

If it's Alcohol you want to use, why don't you get something with High Alcohol Content? Warning! Use first before consumption of remainder!

OT , Vodka is traditionally very good for cleaning CD's:
http://www.msfn.org/...r-scratched-cd/
http://www.msfn.org/...post__p__412182

jaclaz

[Phaenius]

By local store, I mean from my country, ordered from internet. Now I searched on the store and found only G-22. I can order from abroad, since it will cost too much. I can't spend a lot of money on something that has little chance of succeed. Jaclaz, maybe your wallet is a high-end one, mine isn't. I haven't found your recommended products, jaclaz.

[submix8c]

http://fx-rate.net/EUR/USD/

How do you pay your ISP bill?

My, my, how we love to dance... Do you NOT have Radio Shack there? Seriously, there is NO WAY around paying roughly 3-euro for a can of ANY cleaner!

Look here - EXCELLENT cleaners but EXPENSIVE! I revived a Fender Super-Twin Reverb Amp with this brand that had been in a fire - now THAT was nasty! Google yourself a bit of "crc electronic parts cleaner"... YOU WILL PAY!

90% Isopropyl (rubbing) Alcohol - 4-USD at any Pharmacy.

Primary task is - CLEAN it and ensure RESIDUE is gone. CHEAPEST High-Alcohol content AND a CHEAP Paint Brush - It's the NASTY that has to go!!!! Or, follow jaclaz' recommendation -
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1025534

AFAICR, you spoke of purchasing ANOTHER Card and you complain about "deep pockets"?

(WOwwwwwwww, dude! You CAN'T be married or have a girlfriend - only one moaner per household...)

This post has been edited by submix8c: 21 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

[jaclaz]

I thought that CRC products were distributed in Romania as well.

In Italy, besides the ubiquitous "SVITOL" (Arexons):
http://www.arexons.i...ante-spray.html
CRC products are very common, whilst as an example WD-40 (which is ubiquitous in the US) is very rarely found.

Post links to a few Romanian online shops dealing with electronic related products, if you want I can have a look at them and see if I can found something more suitable.
On the same site you posted earlier, these ones sound good as well as the G-22:
http://www.duecielec...=010+-+R-11&k=0
http://www.duecielec...=100+-+G-20&k=9

jaclaz

[Phaenius]

That's the problem. I don't know many, otherwise I wound have bought one. One cheap online store is

http://www.mivarom.ro/

They have http://www.mivarom.r...ct-300ml-p-2913 which appear to be Kontakt U from the picture. Website design is crap, but they do sell cheap stuff.

Other site is

http://www.vitacom.ro/

They have a local store in my city (that's where I found today the G-22)

They all tried to sell me universal electronic cleaning car products everywhere I went, but don't know if that's the correct product.

We have WD-40, but I don't think is the right stuff to clean the contacts.

Quote

On the same site you posted earlier, these ones sound good as well as the G-22:
http://www.duecielec...=010+-+R-11&k=0
http://www.duecielec...=100+-+G-20&k=9

That won't do me any good. That's not the site I can buy from, I suspect is producer's site. I googled just to put a link to the product.

submix

I told you to stay out of it. So, I'll say it again. Do you want me to report you ?

This post has been edited by Phaenius: 21 January 2013 - 04:26 PM