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Just read that individual will be able to downgrade to XP from 7 until 2020. Several sources stated that. Does that mean someone will be able to get MS updates until then, or just 2014? Also came across info stating MS will release serious security updates post 2014....confused


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Please provide links to where you read both of those things.

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Edited by bphlpt, 03 December 2012 - 03:03 PM.

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Might want to rethink those dates and read carefully the rights under downgrade rights and to what OS versions you have rights to download, and from where. And no, there will be no XP updates provided after April 2014 unless you belong to an organization that has a premier support contract and a volume licensing agreement with software assurance, and purchase above and beyond those a custom support agreement for Windows XP. And that will be expensive, for obvious reasons.
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The Downgrade Rights Program (to XP) expired on October 22, 2010 for OEMs. The only way to get an XP downgrade from an OEM is to purchase with a volume agreement. Note that the Extended Support Lifecycle for Windows 7 ends in 2020.
http://windows.micro...ducts/lifecycle
As far as the "individual" doing it, might be related to this:

A system builder (when authorized by the end user) or the end user can install the software.

http://www.microsoft.com/OEM/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/what_to_do_downgrade_rights.aspx

But that still means that the end user needs to be able to find a System Builder (or OEM) that not only still has both sets of media AND still has access to XP COAs. I know that the "edge-to-edge" media that the above link talks about has disappeared from the channel over 2 years ago. I'm not sure how VLK is concerned, but that type of licensing is typically only in the Enterprise and not the end user.
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Please provide links to where you read both of those things.

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the website:http://www.techspot.com/news/39619-windows-xp-downgrade-rights-extended-until-2020-updated.html

the actual quote: Jill Lovato from the Windows PR team sent us a note to clarify a few things. Namely, that the downgrade right is specific to the EULA for Windows 7, not the tech support deadline for Windows 7 in January 2020. Customers will not be able to buy a PC with downgrade rights to XP after Windows 7 is retired from market -- which according to policy is 2 years after the next version of Windows ships.
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Last year, after being met with disapproval from analysts and consumers alike, Microsoft prolonged the availability of its Windows XP downgrade option to 18 months instead of six as originally planned. The decision meant that companies would have until April of 2011 to move off of XP. But now the aging operating system is getting yet another lease of life, as Microsoft decided to extend that period until 2020 throughout the Windows 7 lifecycle.
and: So, while few consumers may want to downgrade from Windows 7 to XP, it's another story in the corporate world where businesses often want to standardize on a single operating system to simplify machine management. The downgrade rights will be available only from OEM copies of Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate -- those that are pre-installed by computer makers. Curiously, the announcement coincides with the end of support for XP SP2, so anyone who still wants to be covered by Microsoft support will at least have to move to Windows XP's Service Pack 3.

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Please provide links to where you read both of those things.

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and:Microsoft Extends Windows XP Downgrade to 2020
www.tomshardware.com › ... › Solutions › SoftwareShare

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Jul 14, 2010 – Originally, these downgrade rights were to disappear once Microsoft ships the .... So XP will still have critical updates till 2020 rather than 2014? ... Ignoring the issues of it being less secure and not having as much eye candy ...

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Microsoft: Go Ahead; You Can Use Windows XP Until 2020
By J.R. Nelson, DesktopReview Editor | Monday, July 12, 2010 | 3044 Reads
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It's long been known that businesses weren't too interested in upgrading to Windows Vista from Windows XP. There were delayed product development cycles, issues with compatibility, performance questions and more. Recently, the market was showing growth thanks, in part, to those businesses finally putting more dollars into infrastructure.

To help alleviate any fears some companies may have, MS has come out and said that businesses can keep downgrading - the process by which purchasing a current Windows 7 license confers upon the user the right to install and activate a copy of Windows XP - their new installations for another full decade.

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With the move coming just a day before the Redmond, WA software giant drops support for those using Windows XP SP2 (in other words, download SP3), Microsoft has set the industry abuzz with questions and comments. It's an extremely unlikely move for Microsoft to take. The company has been known to terminate the downgrade rights of those who don't subscribe to one of its Software Assurance programs.

Even though the rights to downgrade to a copy of Windows XP from Windows 7 might be given, the rights to buy a machine with XP preinstalled are limited. After October 22nd, anyone who wishes to run Windows XP with their Windows 7 downgrade will have to install it themselves. Windows Vista can still be sold pre-installed for a year after that date.

No doubt the reason for the extension has to do with just how popular Windows XP is, especially for the business sect; 74% of enterprise computers are still thought to be running XP. Businesses don't like change - rallying around a single standard is often much cheaper in the long run, and Microsoft has just given them the ability to keep rallying around XP for a full decade more.

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Had you actually followed the chain of links to the actual source of the statement, which is seemingly here:
http://blogs.windows...ice-pack-1.aspx

UPDATE 7/13: We’ve seen some confusion regarding the information in this blog post covering the changes we’ve announced to end user downgrade rights so I wanted to update this post with some clarification.

Customers who purchase Windows 7 PCs with end user downgrade rights as provided in the software license terms (EULA) will be able to downgrade to Windows XP Professional on those PCs for the life of the PC. However, customers will not be able to buy a Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate PC with end user downgrade rights after Windows 7 reaches the end of sales date in the OEM channel – which according to the current Windows Lifecycle policy is 2 years after the next version of Windows ships.

These changes are unrelated to our technical support policy. As mentioned in this blog post, extended support for Windows XP SP3 will continue through April 2014. So customers who downgrade their Windows 7 PCs to Windows XP will no longer be able to receive extended support after April 2014. After April 2014, customers will need to either get a custom support agreement or install a more modern OS on those PCs.


I presume that there won't have been doubts about this.

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I guess the message (whatever it is :w00t: ) has come through :unsure: :
http://www.msfn.org/...all-until-2019/
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1021132
http://www.msfn.org/...ng-interesting/

Something related to XP lifecycle published in 2010 it's hardly news (for XP lovers)

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I merged these topics. No reason to keep making new threads.
Here is the link to that ComputerWorld story.
http://www.computerw...ghts_until_2020
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Related article up on NeoWin ...

A guide to Microsoft Licensing types

A guide to Microsoft Licensing Agreements ( Part-2 )

Plain explanations of the major license type, OEM, Retail and Volume. A chart showing downgrade rights availability. He says this, which surprises me a bit ...

OEM Licenses

You are entitled to downgrade the OS to a previous version (versions being Vista, 7 and 8) to a product that preceded it. However, you must downgrade to the same edition (editions being Home, Professional, Enterprise, etc.). So Windows 8 Pro can be downgraded to Windows XP Pro, Windows 7 Enterprise can be downgraded to Windows XP Pro as it’s the most suitable and version in the XP editions; only Home and Professional versions of XP were released. Applications cannot be downgraded.

Not sure of the accuracy there, but if true it does seem they will be still activating XP for a while yet.

EDIT: added 2nd link

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 13 December 2012 - 01:44 AM.

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PC World stated: "For five years after the discontinuation of XP, Microsoft will support security fixes, for free... Even Windows 2000 gets security fixes (last Tuesday Feb 9 2010), and that is well long discontinued?
I know I still have a Windows 2000 Enterprise Server..."

Edited by steveothehighlander, 20 December 2012 - 11:14 AM.


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Microsoft offers 5 years of security fixes for products that have discontinued MAINSTREAM support - Microsoft calls this the "extended support" phase. Windows XP exited the mainstream support phase in 2009, and will exit the "extended support" phase in April of 2014. After that, there are no more patches of any kind, at all.
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PC World stated: "For five years after the discontinuation of XP, Microsoft will support security fixes, for free... Even Windows 2000 gets security fixes (last Tuesday Feb 9 2010), and that is well long discontinued?
I know I still have a Windows 2000 Enterprise Server..."


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