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Windows 7 SP1 doesn't include a bunch of updates?


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I just installed Windows 7, and the first thing I did was do a Windows Update. It said there were about 130 important and recommended updates (mostly "Security Update for Windows 7" and some "Update for Windows 7"), so I told it to install them all. Then after those were installed, I went back to Windows Update and checked for more updates, and then it showed Windows 7 SP1 in the list. I wonder why those first 130 updates weren't included in SP1?


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the updates are included in Win7 Sp1, but WU is stupid and wants to install all those RTM updates first. That's why you should always install Win7 with an ISO which has Sp1 included or download the Sp1 from downloadcenter and install it your own without using WU.
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the updates are included in Win7 Sp1, but WU is stupid and wants to install all those RTM updates first. That's why you should always install Win7 with an ISO which has Sp1 included or download the Sp1 from downloadcenter and install it your own without using WU.

I would say that Windows Update is "innocent" and it is EXACTLY as stupid as the stupid people that wrote/programmed it, but this would be nit-picking :whistle:

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Well today I ended up reinstalling Windows 7, so I burned the 1.9 GB ISO image of SP1 onto a DVD and used that to install SP1. I noticed the first thing it did was to download update 976902, before it installed SP1 (update 976932). Did it really go out onto the internet to get 976902, or did it just mean "downloading" off the DVD?

Also, I found this article that might explain why I didn't see SP1 in Windows Update when I first installed Windows 7 a couple weeks ago: http://support.micro....com/kb/2498452
But after reinstalling Windows today and before using the DVD to install SP1, I tried installing the pre-requisite updates that it mentioned and then rechecked Windows Update and it still didn't show SP1.

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What Andre was suggesting is to use a "Win7 with an ISO which has Sp1 included" such as listed here - http://www.wincert.n...ws-7-sp1-disks/ - to minimize some of your issues and time wasting installs.

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As for using the RTM and applying the SP1, the KB articles listed in the MS KB that you specified neglects to tell you that KB976902 is definitely a Prerequisite(?). See the following two articles for some more silly references -
The KB976902 -
https://krebsonsecur...ackhole-update/
-p.s. - HERE is a link to it -
http://www.msfn.org/...stall-kb976902/
-p.s. - the KB article -
http://support.micro...kb/976902/en-gb
(obsolete and leads to ANOTHER KB article)
It APPEARS to imply that the KB (above) is necessary for the SP1 to "appear" in the Update List.

Other KB's that will PREVENT installation(?) -
http://krebsonsecuri...service-pack-1/

I assume you got the ISO from MS here? -
http://www.microsoft...ls.aspx?id=5842

I would recommend what was recommended (get the SP1-Integrated DVD image). Get the CORRECT one (same as YOUR RTM/non-SP1). I believe that IF you bought Retail (I assume you did/it is?) then these should work with your key.

Alternative is to get the KB976902-replacement KB2533552 instead and try it(?) again DISCONNECTED from the Internet. It LOOKS like this AND the SP are the only two items needed.
Errr - read this -
http://www.windowsbb...-kb2533552.html
If you REALLY want to go with the SP1 DVD, try installing the appropriate KB976902 and then the OTHER "recommended" three and THEN the SP1 (stay disconnected the whole time). THEN go to WS Update and see what's offered. As you were informed, MS Update gets sometimes "confused" as to horse-before-cart.

side note: seems that KB (from searching/reading) has a number of "things fixed", including Validation(?).

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Well today I ended up reinstalling Windows 7, so I burned the 1.9 GB ISO image of SP1 onto a DVD and used that to install SP1. I noticed the first thing it did was to download update 976902, before it installed SP1 (update 976932). Did it really go out onto the internet to get 976902, or did it just mean "downloading" off the DVD?

FYI, you can just copy the SP1 "file" to the hard drive and execute it directly. This will eliminate any optical read errors that could FUBAR the whole thing, and it is much faster anyway.

And yes, the Win SP1 prerequisite thing is a mess. I can confirm that SP1 is not the first file that Automatic Windows Updates will go an download. I did this a few weeks ago.

Summary ... Install Win7, copy SP1 file to HDD, execute. Leave the computer offline by yanking the ethernet to see if it insists on downloading stuff outside the local SP1 file. Not sure if it does this but I would NOT be surprised.

In fact, yank the ethernet cable right after activation because Automatic Updates ( for me ) started immediately after the final restart while my back was turned!

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