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#21 User is online   jaclaz 

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:14 PM

View Postcolore, on 18 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

i lost the rest of the conversation

is there a solution to my original post?

Well you gave up :w00t: :

View Postcolore, on 17 December 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

okay, i understand i cant do it, i give up :/

You need to pay double :ph34r: to enter the game again ;)

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:22 PM

View PostTripredacus, on 18 December 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Sure, its right in your screenshot. You have the Intel PRO/Set software, as well as Intel My WiFi installed. :whistle:


It ends up that both of these were installed, but disabled, so they weren't doing anything.

I enabled/connected to both LAN/wireless networks, set the Wireless network to "Connect automatically" and to "Connect to a more preferred network if available" then restarted the laptop so it would pick which network it wanted to use.

View Postjaclaz, on 18 December 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

When you have BOTH networks connected, can you run an
 IPCONFIG /ALL>C:\mynicconfig.txt

and post the result?
(edit/redact sensible data, obviously)

jaclaz


Result:

Spoiler


As Trip has said, both LAN and wireless use the same Gateway (and DNS) addresses. The info shown here is consistent with that previously posted, showing simultaneous connection to both networks.

I then opened up a Firefox page to QVC (my wife's home page) then:

View PostTripredacus, on 18 December 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Oh, you can see what network you are using by running:

netstat -v


Your Local Address column will show you which IP your NIC is using to go out into the world, from there you can determine which NIC has the default gateway allowing for internet access.


Result [Not showing 127.0.0.1 type connections, etc]: (Both networks connected)

Spoiler


The LAN was obviously used for Internet connection..

I then unplugged the LAN, I did not refresh the browser page, and reran netstat -v

Spoiler


Wireless was used for internet connection, but the LAN still got some hits, though not unexpected..

I then replugged the LAN, I did not refresh the browser page, and reran netstat -v

Spoiler


From the greater number of hits by the router's wireless connection to the default gateway I'm guessing that it was still being used for Internet access?

I then refreshed the browser page then reran netstat -v

Spoiler


Which seemed to make it use the LAN connection again.

I then unplugged the LAN, refreshed the browser page, and reran netstat -v

Spoiler


Then I replugged the LAN, refreshed the browser page, then reran netstat -v

Spoiler


And I can't tell which network is being used more in this case.

Let me know if I can provide any further info for your edification.

Cheers and Regards

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

omg what kind of post is that above

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:43 PM

Your wired and wireless networks are in the same subnet it appears. Either way you should have noticed the .6 and .9 addresses. But you should have tried looking at the ipconfig -all during that testing. You would have noticed a default gateway appeared on the active connection.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostTripredacus, on 18 December 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

Your wired and wireless networks are in the same subnet it appears. Either way you should have noticed the .6 and .9 addresses.


Yes I knew that, and saw that. And the point you are trying to make? I mean I had only butted into this thread when you said that you couldn't be connected to a wired and wireless network at the same time as a possible reason why colore was having problems, when my recent observations, backed up by cluberti's info re Win8, seemed to indicate that you could. Since then I've only been trying to provide requested data. :)

View PostTripredacus, on 18 December 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

But you should have tried looking at the ipconfig -all during that testing. You would have noticed a default gateway appeared on the active connection.


True. Since I noticed that both networks had that when they were both connected when I did the original ipconfig -all as jaclaz suggested. That would have been easier. But then I was only following your suggestion: Posted Image

View PostTripredacus, on 18 December 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Oh, you can see what network you are using by running:

netstat -v


Your Local Address column will show you which IP your NIC is using to go out into the world, from there you can determine which NIC has the default gateway allowing for internet access.


Would you like me to do any more testing and provide any more info? Did any of this give you any ideas as to what colore could do to solve his problem?

Cheers and Regards

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

View Postbphlpt, on 18 December 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Would you like me to do any more testing and provide any more info? Did any of this give you any ideas as to what colore could do to solve his problem?


I don't think that's necessary unless it interests you. In respect to the OP's request, I think if any testing is done, it would be related to how we can see available wireless networks while connected to LAN. I put it off yesterday, I think I'll give it a go today.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:20 AM

View Postbphlpt, on 17 December 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Posted Image


Quoting this again to show how to see the wireless list when plugged into wired. While it is true that you can't access the wireless list from the icon, you can get it to pop up from here. Click on Connect to Network, the wireless list should then appear.

I did my test, being connected to LAN, I have full access to the LAN computers.
I connected to a wireless network. IPCONFIG shows that I have 2 default gateways, one for each connection. BUT the DNS Server is now the one provided by the wireless router. You can see your default DNS Server the PC is actually using by running NSLOOKUP.

Here are the 2 connections:
LAN - connected to a network with a domain controller (DC), but this network has no internet access.
WLAN - connected to wireless router with internet access

I cannot access the internet. Name resolution works (can resolve google.com) but cannot ping domain names or IPs. I cannot ping the DC using the FQDN (the wireless router can't resolve the name), but I can ping its actual IP. BONUS: I CAN access a network share using the DC's computer name: \\server\

That's all I got.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 10:49 AM

View PostTripredacus, on 19 December 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Here are the 2 connections:
LAN - connected to a network with a domain controller (DC), but this network has no internet access.
WLAN - connected to wireless router with internet access

I guess I could use the probabilities of bhplt having a DC at home to make a few trips around the universe with the Heart of Gold. :whistle:

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:41 AM

LOL You're correct, that's a big no. Sorry.

I guess in my case why everything worked so easily was that both wired and wireless connections were going through the same router, NetGear WNR3500L N300 Wireless Gigabit Router, using the same gateway, just different subnets, with the router having been told where to get DNS info from (OpenDNS) so Internet access is available through both wired and wireless connections.

OP colore has never clarified whether his situation was similar, a home wireless network, or if it was an Internet cafe, hotspot, or whatever that he was trying to connect to, and therefor what all he had access to in order to manipulate things for testing purposes.

Slightly OT, I noticed that the laptop was picking up a weak signal from the neighbors wireless network. So just out of curiosity I tried to connect to it (I had set it up for her so I knew the access info), while already connected to both our home LAN and wireless networks. The signal was too weak so the effort was unsuccessful, but during the attempt our home wireless network connection was dropped. That made sense, since with only one wireless adapter in place it can only make one wireless connection at a time. Once the connection attempt failed, the home wireless network connection was automatically reestablished, since it had been set to "Connect automatically". Throughout the attempt, the wired LAN connection was maintained.

Cheers and Regards

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:26 PM

Like bphlpt said when we have multiple connections (wired and wireless activated) we can see all them but the wireless connection takes precedence!

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 03:24 PM

View Postjaclaz, on 19 December 2012 - 10:49 AM, said:

View PostTripredacus, on 19 December 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Here are the 2 connections:
LAN - connected to a network with a domain controller (DC), but this network has no internet access.
WLAN - connected to wireless router with internet access

I guess I could use the probabilities of bhplt having a DC at home to make a few trips around the universe with the Heart of Gold. :whistle:

jaclaz


Of course. I merely mention it being there because I needed to see what kind of access I had on both networks while both connections were active. I could have just said it was another computer.

@myselfdiem

I had noticed that as well. Of course I was not entirely concerned with trying to figure out why I couldn't access the internet... I was wondering if this is either something to do with it being a wireless connection... or if it was because I had connected to wireless last in my chain of events.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:06 PM

View Postmyselfidem, on 19 December 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Like bphlpt said when we have multiple connections (wired and wireless activated) we can see all them but the wireless connection takes precedence!


But wireless did not take precedence in my case.

View Postbphlpt, on 18 December 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

[...]
I enabled/connected to both LAN/wireless networks, set the Wireless network to "Connect automatically" and to "Connect to a more preferred network if available" then restarted the laptop so it would pick which network it wanted to use.
[...]
As Trip has said, both LAN and wireless use the same Gateway (and DNS) addresses. The info shown here is consistent with that previously posted, showing simultaneous connection to both networks.

I then opened up a Firefox page to QVC (my wife's home page) then:
[...]
Result [Not showing 127.0.0.1 type connections, etc]: (Both networks connected)

Spoiler


The LAN was obviously used for Internet connection..


So, in this case, the LAN took precedence.

Cheers and Regards

This post has been edited by bphlpt: 19 December 2012 - 04:09 PM

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

View Postcolore, on 17 December 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

I cannot proceed further than the 1st step, because I cannot see the "Manage wireless networks". !!!
screenshot


colore said:

but i want an alternative way to bring the "available wireless networks" window, not via any traybar icon!


Go to Control Panel. Select: Category. Click on Display Network near the Network icon!

Or you can use: Start | Run

explorer shell:::{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
(God Mode)

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