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The updates = 128MB but they wont take up that much space on the disk. Most just replace files. The same goes for the IE8 add-on but not as much.
Since you are slipstreaming the IE8 add-on don't forget about...


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i do not agree with your statement he was jut saying iwas saying nothing. what again, was he saying?


Just for the record, what -X- said is correct.

He's asking why you quote post and add nothing. Please stop doing that.


In this thread there are four posts (post #10, #11, #14 (you did comment on that one in your next post), and #19) where all you did was quote a previous post, the first one you quoted two times in a row, and you added no comment of your own at all in any way to three of them, and the one post you did comment on, you used yet another post to do so rather than add your comment in the same post. So I was very confused and I still have no idea at all why you did that or what you were trying to say. That's all. And no, I'm not trying to increase my post count since there is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing that. I guess I could accuse you of doing that since I can think of no other reason you would make that type of post. If you do not know how some of the edit box functions work, please ask and we will try to help you out.

I also have trouble reading the small text in the edit box on this forum, this forum is the worst in that regard of the various ones I visit, but it is considered impolite to use all caps. Instead, you can either use the zoom feature in your browser as -X- mentioned to temporarily enlarge things to make them easier to see, or you can create your response in an external text editor of your choice, Notepad works fine, then cut and paste the entire response, or pieces of it, into the edit box in order to post your response.

Are the other users of this Forum using a DVD?? I see some talking about Drivers, DOTNETFX, etc. They must have some BIG CDs if not DVDs.


Yes, often DVDs are used as install media, and sometimes even USB connected keys or hard drives. But with judicious pruning:

My Bare sp3 disk size without updates? = 386 megs!


there is still room on a CD for a fairly complete XP install; fully up to date, drivers appropriate to your hardware, and some apps.

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Edited by bphlpt, 21 December 2012 - 03:00 AM.

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I will make a couple of general remarks and a specific response to one or two.

general;
1. Lets say there are 4 post that I should respond to. I see no button on each to Reply. So I clicked Quote to add a reply to a specific post.Got a better way?
2. I am aware of the dislike of caps in messages, but I think the font size used here is what regular users want. OK, but it is too small for regular reqading. I will not use caps any more as they offend some sensative readers ... i am also a poor typist ... and if i make typing errors i do not see to correct, so bo it.

specific:
1. i have tried to post specific results with file sizes etc. i listed my result for SP3 Lite at 332 MB. yesterday user K---- said he got 386 MB. Small difference which i can explain after i check something on the downloaded file. Granted 50 MB is important when one is left with only 78 MB to play with. but the 50 MB reduces the free space rather than increasing it.
2. hopefully today i will take my input data into nlite for XP, SP3, Win updates, IE8 updates suggested by -X- and see what total ISO size i get which i will report.

general remarks:
unless i see something in my results which make it reasonable to continue to try to get an nlite ISO file on a 700 MB CD I will give up on this approach and consider a DVD where i cn include everything which should be in the XPSP3 ISO DVD disk.

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1. Lets say there are 4 post that I should respond to. I see no button on each to Reply. So I clicked Quote to add a reply to a specific post.Got a better way?


Yes! :)

Actually, there are two parts to the answer.

1) The forum "Add Reply" buttons are labeled a little funny, in my opinion, and might be causing some confusion.

In the thread, at the bottom right of each post there is a "Quote" button that opens a "create post block" window titled "Replying to NameOfThread" and copies that post in its entirety into the "create post block" surrounded by "quote" tags. At this point you are supposed to add whatever comments you might want to add, either before or after the quoted text, and edit the quoted text itself if necessary. (You can also copy all of the text in the "create post block" into another external text editor of your choice at this point, such as Notepad, to do the editing and post creation if that would be more comfortable or familiar for you, and copy it back when you are through.) As an example, I've edited the quote from your post above. I removed everything except the specific line I wished to respond to and highlighted a particular phrase. See? At the bottom of the "create post block" window are three buttons - "Add Reply" "Preview Post", and "Cancel". Scroll down if necessary to see them. "Cancel" throws away everything you might have done since opening the "create post block" window and takes you back to the thread where you were last. "Preview Post" shows you, above the "create post block" window, how the post would look if you posted it right then. The "create post block" window remains open for you to continue making changes if you are not satisfied how the post would look. "Add Reply", should, in my opinion, be labeled "Post Reply", because that's what it does. It actually causes the post to be "posted" to the thread for everyone else to see. It would also then be consistent with the "Preview Post" button.

At the top and bottom of each page of the thread there is also an "Add Reply" button. This button does NOT do the same thing that the other "Add Reply" button does. It doesn't "Add" anything. It merely opens an empty "create post block" window with nothing copied into it. In my opinion, the "Add Reply" button at the top and bottom of each thread page would be more accurately labeled "Open Create Post Block Window", but I fully realize that is not a practical button name. :)

So perhaps you clicked "Quote", then immediately clicked "Add Reply" thinking that that was what you were supposed to do to add your comments to what was quoted?

2) If there are multiple posts that you want to respond to at once, with quoted text from each, the way you do that is as follows: For each post you wish to quote and respond to, click the "MultiQuote" button located in each post right next to the "Quote" button. Unlike the action of the "Quote" button, a "create post block" window will NOT open. The only thing that will happen is that the "MultiQuote" button will remain highlighted indicating that it has been selected for quoting. You can even select posts from different pages in the thread. If you change your mind about any post you have selected, you can click the "MultiQuote" button again and it will un-highlight indicating that it is no longer selected. Once you have selected all the posts you wish to respond to, click the "Add Reply" button at the top or bottom of the thread page and a "create post block" window will open. All the posts you selected will be individually quoted inside the "create post block" in the order that they appear in the thread. From there you add your comments and edit the quoted text as described above.

I hope that my explanation makes sense and that it will make posting your comments easier for you.

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Edited by bphlpt, 21 December 2012 - 12:57 PM.

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Obviously, you spent some time preparing and presenting your excellent tutorial on the Forum communications. It should be made available at the top of each Forum and Sub Forum. I shall take advantage of your excellent use of Replies to Posts. You add clarity where little existed before. Thanks for your contribution.

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You are quite welcome. Hopefully, you can now see why we were confused when you quoted a post, didn't edit it in any way, and added no content of your own. We had no idea what you were trying to say.

Here's to better communication in this post apocalyptic time! LOL

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Yesterday I said I would add WinXP Updates and IE8 Updates to my XP + SP3 nLite slipstreamed. I did that and found a surprising result: The XP + SP3 was 622 MB and the XP + SP3 + Win Updates + IE8 Updates is 652 MB. How can that happen?? I know there changes in the IE8 Update that was mentioned in this Forum and on the web listing were not made as I was so sure that the size would be > 700 MB.

Now I need to see what addition(s) should be added or replacements made. There is a lot of additional material which needs to be considered. There are also some good ideas from Mr. K-- to be considered.

With the help of some members of this Forum, there is Hope in Mudville.

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The XP + SP3 was 622 MB and the XP + SP3 + Win Updates + IE8 Updates is 652 MB. How can that happen?? I know there changes in the IE8 Update that was mentioned in this Forum and on the web listing were not made as I was so sure that the size would be > 700 MB.


Because:

The updates = 128MB but they wont take up that much space on the disk. Most just replace files. The same goes for the IE8 add-on but not as much.
Since you are slipstreaming the IE8 add-on don't forget about...


Sometimes the new replacement files are actually smaller than the original files, hence less space taken up.

Also, now that the first hurdle is over, be aware of the request that is posted at the top of the nLite forum section, and that has been mentioned, I think, in this thread. (If not, it should have been.)

If you are having issues with Windows after removing components and have come to ask for help, please attach (not paste) your Last Session.ini file to your post to facilitate quicker assistance.


This allows us to better help you no matter what nLite problem you are having. If you need help in knowing how to attach your Last Session.ini file to your post, just ask for assistance. (But there is a link at the bottom of the "create post block" window - "Help with attaching files" - which might suffice.)

EDIT: OT - Everyone will know who you mean, and no offense will be taken, if you prefer to refer to "Mr. K--" as "Kel".

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Edited by bphlpt, 21 December 2012 - 02:22 PM.

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Lol I kinda liked Mr K

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As you wish, my good man!

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What is the last quote all about?? What Windows components have been removed??I don't have any Last Session file that I am aware of. I delete Last Sessions because I want to know what is being added or included. Thanks again for your comments.

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What is the last quote all about?? What Windows components have been removed??I don't have any Last Session file that I am aware of. I delete Last Sessions because I want to know what is being added or included. Thanks again for your comments.

If you remove something, the Last Session INI file will say so. It also tells what was Slipstreamed and in what order. Nobody said you did, it's just "standard practice" so we'll be able to easily assist. It's unnecessary to delete them - you can create a new "set"/"pair" each nLite run OR reuse any previous one by selecting it.

Don't get excited... so far so good. ;)

edit - P.S. - the file is both in the nLite folder and the resultant Output/ISO/CD. ;)

Edited by submix8c, 21 December 2012 - 03:23 PM.

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Fair enough. Thanks.

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I fear I have a straightforward Windows problem which I have never seen before. Saw 2 times today:

In a previous post the corrections to the IE8 Update or Addon were listed. Web addresses. I went to one site 9all are MS sites) to download the corrected change, and instead of the usual WinXP file name I got a string of about 8-10 characters. What can one do with that? Is Bill and Company getting an early start on killing XP??

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The Last Session.ini is a record of everything nLite thinks it was told to do the last time it was run, not just removals, and as submix8c says it can also be used to rerun an nLite run exactly without having to go in and manually reselect all the various options and possibly miss one. If you have any problems, It will help us discover if there are any differences between what you told nLite to do and what nLite thinks you told it to do. The quote is standard boilerplate we use at the top of many of the nLite help threads here in the forum. It became mandatory for folks that "just removed a few things, nothing important" and then wondered why their install failed.

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I fear I have a straightforward Windows problem which I have never seen before. Saw 2 times today:

In a previous post the corrections to the IE8 Update or Addon were listed. Web addresses. I went to one site 9all are MS sites) to download the corrected change, and instead of the usual WinXP file name I got a string of about 8-10 characters. What can one do with that? Is Bill and Company getting an early start on killing XP??


Which site and I'll look for you.

EDIT: If you meant the three specific sites listed above, the full title is still there, while the string of characters are the KB article. Is that what you meant? Can you post a screenshot of the part of the page that is confusing you? Or at least provide the link and type the line or two that has the troubling characters.

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No. When I went to the MS site, the name of the file was what I expected. Looked normal. I downloaded the file, but it came up with the 11 characters only. I thought if I download the file, the usual name will somehow appear. It didn't. I got this 11 charactern blob which I have never seen before -- anywhere.

I will be interested in you findings.

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Again from the faq in the actual main nLite thread...

Also you can manually remove allot from your disk pre-nLiteing.

Folders considered safe to delete in your Windows Setup Source are:

My source I did this with was a MSDN XP SP3 .iso
DOCS, VALUEADD, DOTNETFX and SUPPORT Folders. This will free up 60.9 megs. (DOTNETFX doesn't exist on XP gold. None of these files or folders are used during a standard install)
SETUPXP.HTM
README.HTM
Let's go in further by navigating to the I386 directory with your Windows Setup Source. If you don't plan to use this CD to upgrade from a previous OS, you can delete the following folders:
WIN9XMIG, WIN9XUPG and WINNTUPG. This will free up 37.7 megs. These 3 folders are only needed is your upgrading or migrating from an older OS.
If you have a localized language version of Windows in your own language, then you can also delete the LANG folder. This will free up approximately 99 megs (This may vary) Also these files are so old by now you would be better off getting updated ones.

With all of this removed you clear up 197 megs.

My Bare sp3 disk size without updates? = 386 megs!


I will try to use the proper technique to write this comments/questions on your post.
1. You say your source is an ISO file for XP and SP3. Did you use something like IsoBuster to get the files out of the ISO? If not, would you comment further?
2. I see most of the files/folders you mention, but not all in my XP SP3.
3. My XP is an upgrade copy from Win98. So I assume it is an upgrade. MS asks for proof that Win* does exist in XP installation.
4. I will delete the LANG when it appears.
5. I haven't seen anything like WIN9XMIG, etc. If I do, I will remove them.

The first question is the most important to me, as I do not see using the ISO file unless you BUST it.

Sorry this was not more clearly connected, but until today, I really had no idea how to make comments to Posts.

Thanks for your help. You have made it possible to see that nLite can be useful in this task.

I hope I can now post these comments/questions.

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Winrar, 7zip, or winzip can all unpck an ISO

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Thanks. I did not know that. I have a couple of codes you mention.
Thanks again.

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No. When I went to the MS site, the name of the file was what I expected. Looked normal. I downloaded the file, but it came up with the 11 characters only. I thought if I download the file, the usual name will somehow appear. It didn't. I got this 11 charactern blob which I have never seen before -- anywhere.


@chl2012 - As jaclaz likes to say, my crystal ball is broken and I can not read your mind. WHICH MS site and WHAT, EXACTLY was the 11 character file name that you ended up with that you didn't know what to do with?

For the three files listed previously, repeated here for your convenience:


I successfully downloaded, by clicking the nice red "Download" button on each page referenced, the three files which were named:

IE8-WindowsXP-KB2761465-x86-ENU.exe
IE8-WindowsXP-KB2510531-x86-ENU.exe
IE8-WindowsXP-KB2544521-x86-ENU.exe

respectively. No sign of any "11 charactern blob". So I'll ask again:

1) What is the link for the problem MS download page? (If you can post a screenshot that would be gravy.)
2) What, exactly, did you do/click to begin the download?
3) What, exactly, was the full name, including extension if any, and size in bytes, of the "11 charactern blob "?

and:

4) Do you have your computer set up to automatically download files directly to a "Download" folder, or the desktop, or do you have it set to ask you where to put the file each time?
5) If it is set to ask, what does it say the name of the file is going to be? (I personally have mine set this way for just this sort of reason. So I can tell before the download happens if I'm getting what I think I'm supposed to be getting.)
6) Out of curiosity, and in case there is a setting I'm aware of that might can help you, what is the exact browser you are using to browse the Internet and download these files?

Please supply as much of the requested information as you are able to provide and feel free to ask if you need to know how to obtain any of it.

We're trying to help you.

As an example of what I'm looking for:

1) I went here - http://www.microsoft...76-7356a84daf82 - or - http://www.microsoft...s.aspx?id=35962
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2) I clicked the big red "Download" button.
3) The details of the file that got downloaded are:
Name: IE8-WindowsXP-KB2761465-x86-ENU.exe
Size: 10,744,352 bytes
[Extra credit] MD5: f7eb5021089cc7c83fd3f67d57801244

Cheers and Regards

Edited by bphlpt, 21 December 2012 - 08:13 PM.

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Sorry to have wasted your time.

This morning I started the MS download of the first IE8 update. As you clearly said click the big red button. I did that and a file came up that was not the 11 character name but a short xxx.zzz type file name. The I saw ZOOM DOWNLOADER -- don't know where it came from or when. Anyway I removed ZOOM DOWNLOADER and was able to download the 3 files without further delay.

Again, sorry to have missed ZOOM yesterday and, more importantly, to have wasted your time and effort.

The vultures lurking with the FREE DOWNLOADERS should be jailed for, at least, 20 to life.

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Winrar, 7zip, or winzip can all unpck an ISO


It is clear you are very skilled in computer technology. But as a user I am approaching this nLite (NL) code use from a slightly different viewpoint.
While you are comfortable using the MSDN ISO package, I am not. I look at NL as a way to package codes that can be used in an emergency -- perhaps without testing on a virtual machine. Therefore I want to know the codes used are ones I am using now (except for some addons).
If I cannot create an NL package with basically my running codes, then I will just fail in this effort.

It is clear that you are a great asset to this Forum, and I appreciate your time and effort to help me. If you do not wish to help in the future, I will understand. You were clear in your first Post on this thread what you expected.

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The XP + SP3 was 622 MB and the XP + SP3 + Win Updates + IE8 Updates is 652 MB. How can that happen?? I know there changes in the IE8 Update that was mentioned in this Forum and on the web listing were not made as I was so sure that the size would be > 700 MB.


Because:

The updates = 128MB but they wont take up that much space on the disk. Most just replace files. The same goes for the IE8 add-on but not as much.
Since you are slipstreaming the IE8 add-on don't forget about...


Sometimes the new replacement files are actually smaller than the original files, hence less space taken up.

Also, now that the first hurdle is over, be aware of the request that is posted at the top of the nLite forum section, and that has been mentioned, I think, in this thread. (If not, it should have been.)

If you are having issues with Windows after removing components and have come to ask for help, please attach (not paste) your Last Session.ini file to your post to facilitate quicker assistance.


This allows us to better help you no matter what nLite problem you are having. If you need help in knowing how to attach your Last Session.ini file to your post, just ask for assistance. (But there is a link at the bottom of the "create post block" window - "Help with attaching files" - which might suffice.)

EDIT: OT - Everyone will know who you mean, and no offense will be taken, if you prefer to refer to "Mr. K--" as "Kel".

Cheers and Regards


If you are having issues with Windows after removing components and have come to ask for help, please attach (not paste) your Last Session.ini file to your post to facilitate quicker assistance.


Let me try to explain why I do not like Last SESSION (LS). Before I came to this forum, I was trying to use nLite (NL) to develop a code. I tried to remove the LS each time I opened NL. I thought I had succeded, until on one run NL said an Update had been added out of nowhere.No idea where it came from. Anyway, I removed NL from my system except for the registry. Downloaded a clean copy of NL, and since no problems with strange junk be added without my knowledge. No LS and no problems.

That is the way I prefer it.

NOTE: I know this is my attempt to use a quote, but I did not want to delete something to make my comments unclear.

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You did just fine using a quote. :)

Sorry you had problems with that rogue ZOOM downloader program. I'm glad you were able to remove it. But I'm not sure where you want to go from here.

I read your response to Mr. K-- above, and I'm not sure what you meant there either. I have only used nLite a few times so I am not at all an expert, but do I understand correctly that you wish to make an XP install disc (what you called "a code"??) directly from your currently installed system, rather than using another install disc, or ISO, as a starting point? I believe that is one of the capabilities of nLite, but I've never done it that way so I'm afraid I will not be much help to you if that is your intention. Also, I'm not sure if that is the best idea in your case. If you were "infected" by annoyances like the ZOOM downloader, are you absolutely, positively sure that you don't still have some other rogue infection on your PC that you would just be transferring to your new install disc if you chose to do things that way? Your comment that "...one run NL said an Update had been added out of nowhere.No idea where it came from." leads me to think that could be the case, even though you say that you haven't had any more problems like that since you reinstalled nLite. Just a thought.

I also don't think you completely understand what the Last Session.ini file is. There is no reason to fear it. It is only a text file, nothing more. You can open it with Notepad and read what is inside it. It is a normal, expected product of every nLite run. You can think of it as just a log of what was supposed to happen, if that makes more sense to you. As far as I know, if a Last Session.ini file is not produced every time that nLite is run there is something very wrong going on. If the Last Session.ini file that is produced cannot be opened and read easily using Notepad, (open Notepad, click File - Open - navigate to and select the Last Session.ini file), then there is something very wrong going on. If it is in your way for any reason after you make an nLite run, rather than delete it, it might be better to just move it somewhere out of the way, your documents folder perhaps, but accessible in case you need it for any reason.

Regardless how you choose to proceed, good luck in your endeavors, keep us apprised of your progress, and please let us know how we can assist you.

Cheers and Regards

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