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Hello Joe,

I don't possess a P3 machine anymore. Currently I still have one with a 478 socket (P4) and all others have a 775 socket.




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Hello Joe,

I don't possess a P3 machine anymore. Currently I still have one with a 478 socket (P4) and all others have a 775 socket.

Hi schwups,

I don't know if the CPU is a factor. Earlier, I speculated that the installation package may use SSE2 instructions that the P3 doesn't have, however, Den reported that his AMD machine which also lacks SSE2 instructions was able to install 6u39, albeit under XP. So this probably means it's not the CPU that's the problem, although I don't know if there are more subtle CPU differences (unfortunately, a search of the web only reveals a lot of misinformation and ignorance about this).

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JRE Version 6 Update 43: http://java.com/en/d...d/manual_v6.jsp

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Well that didn't last long ...

Important note from the Oracle-Sun website ...

"This is the last public release of Java 6. No new public updates of Java 6 will be available after February 2013."

So much for that announcement. That was supposedly the final version ever released for Java 6 ( JRE 6 release 41 ), but as noted by egrabrych, it was quickly superceded.

Just downloaded these files ...

jre-6u43-windows-i586.exe ... Webpage ... Direct Download ( for now )
jre-6u43-windows-x64.exe .... Webpage

jre-7u17-windows-i586.exe ... Webpage ... Direct Download ( for now )
jre-7u17-windows-x64.exe .... Webpage

Note: Correct me If I'm wrong but there does not seem to have been a jre-6u42.
Note: Correct me If I'm wrong but there does not seem to have been a jre-7u16.

EDIT: added x64 links

Edited by CharlotteTheHarlot, 07 March 2013 - 08:15 AM.

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I am not sure to understand the issue about locating the files. :unsure:
Go here:
http://www.oracle.co...ds-1902815.html
tick the "accept agreement" radio button, and you have all static links, namely:
Windows x86 Kernel 0.87 MB jre-6u43-windows-i586-iftw-k.exe http://download.orac...i586-iftw-k.exe
Windows x86 Online 0.87 MB jre-6u43-windows-i586-iftw.exe http://download.orac...s-i586-iftw.exe
Windows x86 Offline 16.24 MB jre-6u43-windows-i586.exe http://download.orac...indows-i586.exe
Windows x64 16.48 MB jre-6u43-windows-x64.exe http://download.orac...windows-x64.exe

Same goes here:
http://www.oracle.co...ds-1880261.html
Windows x86 Online 0.86 MB jre-7u17-windows-i586-iftw.exe http://download.orac...s-i586-iftw.exe
Windows x86 Offline 30.06 MB jre-7u17-windows-i586.exe http://download.orac...indows-i586.exe
Windows x86 39.77 MB jre-7u17-windows-i586.tar.gz http://download.orac...ows-i586.tar.gz
Windows x64 31.47 MB jre-7u17-windows-x64.exe http://download.orac...windows-x64.exe
Windows x64 41.49 MB jre-7u17-windows-x64.tar.gz http://download.orac...dows-x64.tar.gz

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@jaclaz - I guess their point is that it can't be directly downloaded WITHOUT accepting the license agreement as you'll notice (when I use Flashget) you need a Referrer to be filled out or it just doesn't work. Using you link and the link within after accepting will fill the field in Flashget and allow the download otherwise the direct link is rejected due to "agreement not yet accepted". Just an oddity - not sure what effect that would have on (e.g.) WGET... :unsure:

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I am not sure to understand the issue about locating the files. :unsure:
Go here:
Windows x64 16.48 MB jre-6u43-windows-x64.exe http://download.orac...windows-x64.exe

Same goes here:
Windows x64 31.47 MB jre-7u17-windows-x64.exe http://download.orac...windows-x64.exe

Do either of those URLs work for you? I had no luck with Opera, FF and MSIE as of this writing.

As I have written above ( in this thread ) they use browser/system sniffing, specifically rejecting 64-bit packages for 32-bit systems.

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I get THIS in FF with the DIRECT link -
http://download.orac...il-1505220.html

IF I use the Download PAGE link given and ACCEPT the Agreement (after enabling Java) I get THIS as the URL (mistaken - NOT the Referrer field) the FlashGet (FlashGot Plugin) gives THIS and it DOES work (see the AuthParam at the end?) -
http://download.orac...01637dfb9285b94

IOW, you MUST accept the Agreement to be Authorized. It has nothing to do with "browser sniffing". ;)

edit - ARG!!! I take that back! FG is getting "403 Forbidden". Has to do it within the Browser (see the first link about Cookies). Just downloaded both Java6. Going for the Java7 now. Done! (sigh...) NOTE: in FF11 and an x86 OS (as I had previously said)...

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I see. :)
No, the License Agrrement *needs* to be "ticked", but there is no restrictions (at least here in Opera) for 32 vs. 64 bit.

BUT there is a whole bunch of "mirror" sites allowing direct download, examples:
http://freewareupdat...ime-environment
http://files2.freewa...indows-i586.exe
http://files2.freewa...windows-x64.exe
http://files2.freewa...indows-i586.exe
http://files2.freewa...windows-x64.exe

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IOW, you MUST accept the Agreement to be Authorized. It has nothing to do with "browser sniffing". ;)

What I believe they are doing is blocking 64-bit downloads on 32-bit systems. So it is some kind of sniffing resulting in ...

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... which is a classic phony page. I tried in all three: MSIE, Opera and FF with cookies and Javascript and they are simply displaying a generic useless page full of lies like they all do. My guess is that they see 32-bit, but do not have an appropriate error message to display.

But I think you and I are talking about two different pages. The sniffing I refer to is done from the main Java page for current releases: Java 6 or Java 7. From there try clicking through the links ( "Information about the 64-bit Java plug-in" ) and follow the rabbit holes and you will most likely keep going in circles.

The Solution. If you want to download the 64-bit installers using a 32-bit browser just go here as Jaclaz posted ( and as I posted for the previous release ) ...

Java 6 u43 Webpage
Java 7 u17 Webpage

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IOW, you MUST accept the Agreement to be Authorized. It has nothing to do with "browser sniffing". ;)

What I believe they are doing is blocking 64-bit downloads on 32-bit systems. So it is some kind of sniffing resulting in ...

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... which is a classic phony page. I tried in all three: MSIE, Opera and FF with cookies and Javascript and they are simply displaying a generic useless page full of lies like they all do. My guess is that they see 32-bit, but do not have an appropriate error message to display.

But I think you and I are talking about two different pages. The sniffing I refer to is done from the main Java page for current releases: Java 6 or Java 7. From there try clicking through the links ( "Information about the 64-bit Java plug-in" ) and follow the rabbit holes and you will most likely keep going in circles.

The Solution. If you want to download the 64-bit installers using a 32-bit browser just go here as Jaclaz posted ( and as I posted for the previous release ) ...

Java 6 u43 Webpage
Java 7 u17 Webpage

Hi Charlotte,

What you experience depends on your starting point in tracking down the Java stuff at Oracle.

Normally, I start here : http://www.oracle.co...oads/index.html

This shows me the latest 1.6 and 1.7 releases. Selecting the JRE 6u43 link leads to here : http://www.oracle.co...ds-1902815.html

From there, click "Accept License Agreement " and you can download the 64 bit package if you wish (I just did using Opera 12.02).

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Anyway, the only real progress I've made is that I've been able to install 6u39 without difficulty on a P4 machine. I also upgraded this to 6u41 successfully, albeit with some difficulties (6u39 didn't like being uninstalled). I've transplanted 'msiexec.exe' and associated DLL's from the P4 machine to the P3 machine, transplanted the whole KernelEx directory, compared the KernelEx compatibility settings for every file that seemed relevant, all to no avail. I still can't figure why 6u39 and 6u41 fail to install on the P3 machine. This thing is driving me crazy.

OK, a little more progress trying to install a more recent JRE (6u43) today ...

If I delete all Java sub-directories from '\WINDOWS' and '\Program Files', I am able to install the JDK and its "Private" JRE (deselecting the "Public" JRE option, which otherwise fails as before). If I then add '\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_43\bin' to my PATH in 'autoexec.bat', I can at least run SAP GUI for Java. However, other Java applications don't work (eg. one gives a Java Web Start "Can not find message file" Error). So if there is some way to fully make the JDK "Private" JRE into "Public", that could be a work-around for the standard JRE installation problem.

For reference (as an aside), here is the log of the standard JRE installer EXE with the Silent and "STATIC=1" options :
Spoiler

And here is the log of the standard JRE installer EXE with the Silent and "STATIC=0" options (after a JRE 6u7 re-install) :
Spoiler

Finally, here is the log of the standard JRE installer EXE with the Silent option (clean install), successfully installing on the P4 machine :
Spoiler

Joe.

PS 1 : Edit - Added the log of a successful EXE installation on the P4 machine (the first two unsuccessful logs were from the P3 machine, of course).
PS 2 : Note - Comparison of the above logs indicates the "non static" install failure most closely matches the successful case.
PS 3 : Note - Maybe some clues : http://bugs.sun.com/...?bug_id=6765272

Edited by jds, 03 April 2013 - 02:48 AM.


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Well, I've finally managed to "brute force" JRE 6u43 to install (well, it kinda seems to be working), using something like the following process :

0. Install Kext, with "GetSystemWow64DirectoryA=z2e120" in the 'Kernel32.dll' section of 'Kstub822.ini'.
1. Delete the 'HKLM\Software\JavaSoft' registry key.
2. Run 'jre-6u43-windows-i586.exe', let it crash and die.
3. Navigate to the "%windir%\Application Data\Sun\Java\jre1.6.0_43" directory.
4. Copy or move the MSI and CAB files to a safer place.
5. Copy 'jre1.6.0_43.msi' to 'neutered.msi'.
6. Edit 'neutered.msi' in Orca and :
a. Delete all lines with string "SetReInstall".
b. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'rt'.
c. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'jsse'.
d. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'jaws'.
e. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'javaws'.
f. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'deploy'.
g. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'charsets'.
h. Delete all lines in 'InstallExecuteSequence' with whole word 'localedata'.
i. Save 'neutered.msi' (don't use "Save As", it's buggy).
7. Expand 'Data1.cab' into subdirectory 'Data1'.
8. Within that, expand 'core.zip' into subdirectory 'core'.
9. Install the REG file shown below.
10. Navigate back to 'neutered.msi' and run it.
11. Re-install the REG file shown below.
12. Right-click 'jre1.6.0_43.msi', then click "Repair".
13. If there's an error, don't acknowledge, force a reboot instead (double Ctrl-Alt-Del).
14. Re-install the REG file shown below.
15. Navigate to the 'Data1\core' subdirectory.
16. Copy everything there to '\Program Files\Java\jre6'.
17. Run the BAT file shown below.
18. Reboot just for the fun of it.
19. Repeat all or some of steps 9-18, as necessary.

The 'JavaSoft.reg' file looks like this (edit the drive letter and country code as necessary) :
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft]
"IERESTART"="1"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Update]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Update\Policy]
"EnableJavaUpdate"=dword:00000001
"NotifyDownload"=dword:00000001
"NotifyInstall"=dword:00000000
"UpdateSchedule"=dword:00000008
"Frequency"=dword:01040000
"Country"="AU"
"UpdateMin"=dword:00000017
"PostStatusUrl"="https://sjremetrics.java.com/b/ss//6"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Prefs]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Auto Update]
"AUVersion"="2.0.7.2"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment]
"CurrentVersion"="1.6"
"BrowserJavaVersion"="1.6.0_43"
"Java6FamilyVersion"="1.6.0_43"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment\1.6.0_43]
"JavaHome"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6"
"MicroVersion"="0"
"RuntimeLib"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin\\client\\jvm.dll"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment\1.6.0_43\MSI]
"FullVersion"="1.6.0_43-b01"
"ImageCkSum"="1513967052"
"AUTOUPDATEDELAY"=""
"AUTOUPDATECHECK"="1"
"JAVAUPDATE"="1"
"MOZILLA"="0"
"IEXPLORER"="0"
"EULA"="0"
"SYSTRAY"="1"
"INSTALLDIR"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\"
"PRODUCTVERSION"="6.0.430"
"KERNEL"=""
"FROMVERSIONFULL"=""
"FROMVERSION"="NA"
"JQS"=""
"MODE"="C"
"OEMUPDATE"=""
"JU"="1"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment\1.6]
"JavaHome"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6"
"RuntimeLib"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin\\client\\jvm.dll"
"MicroVersion"="0"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Plug-in]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Plug-in\1.6.0_43]
"JavaHome"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6"
"UseJava2IExplorer"=dword:00000001
"UseNewJavaPlugin"=dword:00000000
"HideSystemTrayIcon"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start]
"CurrentVersion"="1.6.0_43"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.6.0_43]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.2.0_01]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.2]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.0.1_04]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.0.1_03]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.0.1_02]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\JavaSoft\Java Web Start\1.0.1]
"Home"="E:\\Program Files\\Java\\jre6\\bin"
The 'unpack_jars.bat' file looks like this (edit the drive letter as necessary) :
E:
cd \Progra~1\Java\jre6\lib
..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log rt.pack rt.jar
..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log deploy.pack deploy.jar
..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log jsse.pack jsse.jar
..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log javaws.pack javaws.jar
..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log charsets.pack charsets.jar
..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log plugin.pack plugin.jar
cd ext
..\..\bin\unpack200.exe -r -v -l %tmp%\java_install.log localedata.pack localedata.jar
cd ..\..\bin
copy /b /y javacpl.cpl %windir%\System
copy /b /y java.exe %windir%
copy /b /y javaw.exe %windir%
copy /b /y javaws.exe %windir%
if exist plugin2_inhibit\*.* deltree plugin2_inhibit
ren plugin2 plugin2_inhibit
If you too have Error 1723 or 26011 when trying to install a recent version of Java 1.6 (6u10 or later, however, only 6u43 is considered "safe"), you might like to try the above. Good luck.

Joe.

Edit : Revised.

Edited by jds, 08 April 2013 - 09:25 PM.


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I had JRE 6 Update 41. Works fine from what I can tell. This is on win-98 with kex.

10 minutes ago, I downloaded update 43 from here: https://dl.dropbox.c...indows-i586.exe

I unpacked it using 7-zip, but the MSI and cab files do not appear using that method.

I ran the exe and (as mentioned) obtained the msi and cab file. I forgot what the exe did (it probably crashed).

I right-clicked on the msi file and selected "install" - and it did just that. It installed without problems.

I went to the c:\program files\java\jre6\bin directory and renamed the directory "plugin2" to "junk-plugin2".

I then ran javacpl.exe (it's in the \bin directory) and under "Advanced", "Java Plug-in" I de-selected "enable the next-generation Java Plug-in".

I then went to javatester.org and verified that update 43 was working (it was).

So I don't see what all the fuss is about...

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I had JRE 6 Update 41. Works fine from what I can tell. This is on win-98 with kex.

10 minutes ago, I downloaded update 43 from here: https://dl.dropbox.c...indows-i586.exe

I unpacked it using 7-zip, but the MSI and cab files do not appear using that method.

I ran the exe and (as mentioned) obtained the msi and cab file. I forgot what the exe did (it probably crashed).

I right-clicked on the msi file and selected "install" - and it did just that. It installed without problems.

I went to the c:\program files\java\jre6\bin directory and renamed the directory "plugin2" to "junk-plugin2".

I then ran javacpl.exe (it's in the \bin directory) and under "Advanced", "Java Plug-in" I de-selected "enable the next-generation Java Plug-in".

I then went to javatester.org and verified that update 43 was working (it was).

So I don't see what all the fuss is about...

If you read back just a couple of posts, you wouldn't need to wonder what "the fuss is about". To recap, I too had no trouble installing these later JRE versions on one machine, yet on another one (the one where I actually need Java), I couldn't get past errors 26011 or 1723. At least one other poster in this thread was also unable to install. Indeed, this particular problem has been reported by users of suported O/S such as XP ever since JRE 6u10, and Sun/Oracle have been unable to resolve it (they eventually gave up). That's what the fuss is about.

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All of the "instructions" on How To Install seems to floated off the original Topic/Title. This person seems to be having difficulty installing JRE-6u43 and wasn't aware of THIS topic.

If possible, maybe a Moderator could split it out OR the OP could change the Title to be more suitable? After all, it WAS determined that 9x was NOT affected.

Edited by submix8c, 12 April 2013 - 12:21 PM.

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If possible, maybe a Moderator could split it out OR the OP could change the Title to be more suitable? After all, it WAS determined that 9x was NOT affected.

I hope you're not suggesting my posts belong in a new thread entitled "missing dll"? ;)

Anyway, on what basis was it "concluded" that W98 is unaffected by the previous Java vulnerabilities? Guesswork? I've seen no information that would support such a conclusion. All versions prior to 6u43 have known vulnerabilities that are/were being actively exploited and forced Oracle to release updates out of schedule, including an extra 1.6 release beyond the previously announced last & final version.

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Well, Hah-Hah!

No, the fact that
1 - This Topic went from "Dire Warnings" to "How To Install Newer Versions" (should be split to a new topic, IMHO), of which that OTHER topic linked to obviously need and would have NOT known to come to THIS one (because of said title)! :whistle:
2 - Oracle/Sun specifically stated Win9x was NOT affected, in spite of the assertions (unproven/unfounded) otherwise. ;) You think you might go back to the first page and actually READ the links I gave? :w00t:

Edited by submix8c, 14 April 2013 - 10:02 AM.

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You all want the thread split, I may do it... but where's the list of which post goes where? :hello:
And appropriate titles for the new threads, please. :angel

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Oracle/Sun specifically stated Win9x was NOT affected, in spite of the assertions (unproven/unfounded) otherwise. ;) You think you might go back to the first page and actually READ the links I gave? :w00t:

Ummm ... I've just rechecked all your links on page one and perhaps I'm going blind, but I can't see anything from Oracle/Sun excluding W9x.

Furthermore, Oracle found further vulnerabilities after this thread was started, which explicitly includes JRE 1.6 versions up to and including 6u41, so whatever assurances may have been made at that time, they are out of date.

Finally, what would Oracle know about the capabilities of W9x with KernelEx installed?

You all want the thread split, I may do it... but where's the list of which post goes where? :hello:
And appropriate titles for the new threads, please. :angel

Hi Den,

No need. I will be starting a related topic soon anyway ...

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After a bit of fiddling consisting in making a dummy psapi.dll, a bit of hexing and adding one more definition to the KexStub ini file I have been able to succesfully run several java apps with a portable JRE7 runtime earlier today. :thumbup

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Finally, what would Oracle know about the capabilities of W9x with KernelEx installed?

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OK, fine (re - Post#70)...
1 - Did NOT specifically state Win9x, only INITIALLY posting about JRE6 (ANY OS!) It did NOT include JRE6!
2 - "Further Vulnerabilities" - including the INITIAL one?
3 - You're correct, good snark (again...).
4 - GOOD, because that's the SOLE REASON I revisited this Topic.
4a - I posted #66 because of it.
4b - Nice snark in post#67, I never suggest that - there's one named that already. ;)
4c - Post#68, Point #2 - by implication does NOT include Win9x (see #1 above).

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As for successfully installing the "latest-greatest" to overcome NEW vulnerabilities (request at Post#3), my wholehearted congratulations to any/all involved and look forward to a NEW AND SEPARATE Topic (not named "missing dll"). You could even say the the TOPIC TITLE is a misnomer due to the fact that it (initially) does NOT apply and that it changed into "How-To". :yes:

Want to go another round? ("Dire" indeed...) (AND we should BOTH drink less caffeine.)
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Edited by submix8c, 15 April 2013 - 10:31 AM.

Someday the tyrants will be unthroned... Jason "Jay" Chasteen; RIP, bro!

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JRE Version 6 Update 45: http://java.com/en/d...d/manual_v6.jsp

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Wow! Thanks for the heads up! :thumbup


Version 6 Update 45

This is the last public release of Java 6.
Oracle recommends that users migrate to Java 7 in order to continue receiving public updates and security enhancements. All Java 6 releases up to and including 6u45 will be moved to the Java Archive, where they will remain available but not receive updates.






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