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I'm getting this a couple times a day:

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I'm not even sure where this message box comes from. When does it appear? Only when changing theme, or randomly during a day?

Its difficult to say when that appears, I just now tried back RP theme and for about a hour I didn't have any error, and then the error appeared. It only happens with RP theme or maybe Microsoft signed themes (can't confirm yet). One thing I noticed was that, the synchronization service starts to use half of my CPU and it only goes down, after some time, when I change the theme to any other custom theme.


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Is it possible to check which process this dialog belongs to?
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Is it possible to check which process this dialog belongs to?

I would think it belongs to the themecpl.dll as that's where the save dialog is.

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Edit: found it, it's in the themeui.dll.mui, string line 3 122 Windows can't find one of the files in this theme. Do you still want to save the theme?

Edited by MrGRiM, 12 June 2013 - 09:05 AM.


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Is it possible to check which process this dialog belongs to?

I would think it belongs to the themecpl.dll as that's where the save dialog is.

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Your personalization window isn't blurring!

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Your personalization window isn't blurring!

No I was on Windows 7 having a look with Resource Spy, I have blur disabled on there, it's OK though I went on Windows 8 after that and found where it is C:\Windows\System32\en-US\themeui.dll.mui

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This is my debug log 3 days

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Interest thing for those who encauntered black screen at boot: don't reboot the system (i just havn't reboot button at my system block) - when you reboot, black screen appears again. I found new method: power off system at least for 1 minute, than power on and system boots without black screen... I don't know why it is... but i think that videocard (her memory) is contain usefull data for future use (just remember something (it just my thought))
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I'm getting this a couple times a day:

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I'm not even sure where this message box comes from. When does it appear? Only when changing theme, or randomly during a day?


Randomly during the day. I could be wrong but it seems when the computer has been idle for a bit is when it happens.

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What's the key combination that can disable aero glass at boot? I'm stuck on a black screen!

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What's the key combination that can disable aero glass at boot? I'm stuck on a black screen!


Hold Ctrl Key.

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The "Windows can't find one of the files in this theme" message is from the fact that ver RC3 stops windows from loading screensavers. If you have a screensaver selected in your unsaved theme and then enable RC3, then Windows won't be able to find it and start displaying this message. Two things to do: Either unload RC3, select 'No screensaver' then reload RC3, or go back to RC2 (which I did) and keep your screensaver.

I can't think why this might happen, but this is what I have found so far.

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The "Windows can't find one of the files in this theme" message is from the fact that ver RC3 stops windows from loading screensavers. If you have a screensaver selected in your unsaved theme and then enable RC3, then Windows won't be able to find it and start displaying this message. Two things to do: Either unload RC3, select 'No screensaver' then reload RC3, or go back to RC2 (which I did) and keep your screensaver.

I can't think why this might happen, but this is what I have found so far.


Replicated, none of my screensavers are available either

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The "Windows can't find one of the files in this theme" message is from the fact that ver RC3 stops windows from loading screensavers. If you have a screensaver selected in your unsaved theme and then enable RC3, then Windows won't be able to find it and start displaying this message. Two things to do: Either unload RC3, select 'No screensaver' then reload RC3, or go back to RC2 (which I did) and keep your screensaver.

I can't think why this might happen, but this is what I have found so far.

Yeah, I tried analyzed the source and there seems to be no other reason for this. My guess was that some file specified in *.theme file is missing but I was not able to reproduce it. But the thing with the screen saver is the good explanation.

And as someone already mentioned here, the theming thing and any other feature added in RCx versions will be made as optional and disabled by default in 1.0. Just because the current branch is feature-complete and I don't want any new feature to break anything.

And one more thing on my mind. Maybe someone has the same experience - in the last month I had to reinstall my Win8 twice just due to the black screen on startup and CTRL key didn't help (and neither system restore helped). But the important thing is that Aero Glass was not active at this time at all, so it seems that some Windows update was the cause.
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And one more thing on my mind. Maybe someone has the same experience - in the last month I had to reinstall my Win8 twice just due to the black screen on startup and CTRL key didn't help (and neither system restore helped). But the important thing is that Aero Glass was not active at this time at all, so it seems that some Windows update was the cause.


I don't think it's as simple as a Windows Update causing a problem. I've been keeping Windows 8 up to date and have had zero black screens.

Outside of your Aero Glass for Win8 testing I've been doing no other theme-related tweaking. I don't think your product in development is causing it.

If System Restore does not help, you may have an intermittent hardware problem. Do you have high reliability components? ECC RAM?

As far as others getting into trouble, given all the unofficial installers / control panels piggybacking on your work, I'm not surprised at all. It's just been too chaotic. I tried AGTweaker at the beginning, but never again after realizing I didn't want to add complexity - and haven't had a lick of trouble. You chose to do the real work first, then add the fluff (user-installer / configurator / etc.) later, when if you had made a complete turnkey UI up front you'd probably have maintained much better control of what beta users test.

If you haven't done so, to make recovery during bootup easier to get to, may I suggest configuring the Windows Boot Manager to show every time you boot up for a few seconds...

Type this command in an elevated CMD window:

BCDEDIT /set {bootmgr] displaybootmenu yes
BCDEDIT /timeout 3


Also, if you're doing a lot of system work I would definitely suggest turning off "Fast Startup", as it can leave your file system in a dirty state at a hybrid shutdown.


You probably already knew these things.


-Noel

Edited by NoelC, 13 June 2013 - 10:56 AM.


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in the last month I had to reinstall my Win8 twice just due to the black screen on startup


One other thing... Do you carefully manage the software you have starting with Windows and when you log in?

The freeware program Autoruns is invaluable for this.

It seems EVERYTHING nowadays wants to install half a dozen "handy things" to start and run in the background, even though they're virtually all unneeded. I have the grand majority of things that normally would be set to start up disabled (e.g., via the HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and HKLM\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run keys).

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The "Windows can't find one of the files in this theme" message is from the fact that ver RC3 stops windows from loading screensavers. If you have a screensaver selected in your unsaved theme and then enable RC3, then Windows won't be able to find it and start displaying this message. Two things to do: Either unload RC3, select 'No screensaver' then reload RC3, or go back to RC2 (which I did) and keep your screensaver.


ok, this explains why I don't get this message. Nice find :thumbup
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Question re Title Bar background glow

Certain windows do not add the background glow to title bar text. These include File Explorer and Wordpad. Apparently Microsoft is not using the standard APIs to display the title text there.

Which, if any, of the alternate themes give a background glow behind the text in the Title Bar of File Explorer and Wordpad windows?

It's a problem when the background is dark or the user chooses a dark or very transparent setting for the window borders.

Dark background:

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Lighter background:

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BigMuscle, at one time you mentioned Windows compositing a different resource for those windows... Did you ever work out how to work around this?

So far, this is the only shortcoming I see to using the Aero Glass for Win8 product with just the stock Windows 8 Aero Glass theme implementation and replaced graphical resources.

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NoelC: my Windows 8 installation for Aero Glass experiments are running under VMWare where only a minimum amount of utilities is installed else the system is completely clean. It was interesting that problem appeared always in the same situation - I didn't shutdown but only put a system into a sleep. After a day I resumed from sleep, everything was working correctly until I needed to restart. The scenario was always the same...

And about the glow effect. Although all windows glow effect is just a stretched texture (stored in the theme atlas), the shell windows generate the effect on-the-fly. Thus there is no resource for this and you must directly edit glow constants in msstyle file. Check this http://vistastylebui...g10940#msg10940
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Well, it's pretty well known that if you want to avoid problems you want to deconfigure all the sleep / power-down states.

That's not just Windows 8 - it's been true of every version.

Just shut your systems down when you don't need 'em. Or, far better - just let 'em run with the monitors powered-down.


I never "sleep" or "hibernate" my systems, and lo and behold they run consistently for weeks on end (between Windows Updates that require reboots).

I have a server (once a workstation, long since retired) running Vista x64 for years. It's on a very good UPS and hadn't been off since about 2010. Lo and behold, we had a bad storm and an extended power failure about 10 days ago, which exceeded the 45 minute UPS capacity, so the system shut down to a full power-off state.

It never came back on. I think it's the power supply that didn't survive the cooling/heating cycle.

It may not be "green", but I suggest you avoid sleep/hibernation/shutdown entirely.



-Noel

Edited by NoelC, 13 June 2013 - 03:25 PM.


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And about the glow effect. Although all windows glow effect is just a stretched texture (stored in the theme atlas), the shell windows generate the effect on-the-fly. Thus there is no resource for this and you must directly edit glow constants in msstyle file. Check this http://vistastylebui...g10940#msg10940

Thanks for that info. OK, so it really will take a full theme replacement to make this work right, unless you have plans to tweak something at run time to bring that glow back.

I'd be interested, now that themes without Microsoft signatures can be used, in whether anyone has taken the default Aero.msstyles and changed just this one thing to bring ribbon window glows back. I'm not sure I'm ready to get into full theme editing just yet.

-Noel

Edited by NoelC, 13 June 2013 - 04:26 PM.


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I still can't use this piece of wonder again. I get a black screen on boot. Is there anything kind of info I can provide to help getting it fixed/sorted?

Windows is up to date. (9200.16581.amd64fre.win8_gdr.130410-1505)
nVidia driver is up to date-ish. (314.07, I downgraded from 320 since it nearly killed one of my cards.)
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Processor (AMD FX-8350 @4.7GHz)
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.. not sure what else could be relevant.

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Do you guys know of a way to recover from one of these disasters? Can I get into system recovery options and refresh my pc when it won't boot because of a black screen? Or do I have to get another drive and make a system image?

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Do you guys know of a way to recover from one of these disasters? Can I get into system recovery options and refresh my pc when it won't boot because of a black screen? Or do I have to get another drive and make a system image?

I have an UEFI bios with disable-able secure boot, so I can turn that on and negate any DLL inject. but yeah. Not everyone can do that.

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Do you guys know of a way to recover from one of these disasters? Can I get into system recovery options and refresh my pc when it won't boot because of a black screen? Or do I have to get another drive and make a system image?


OP:

--> if your computer won't boot up for some reason (glass failure), hold CTRL key during DWM loading and no procedure will be installed into memory



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Well, it's pretty well known that if you want to avoid problems you want to deconfigure all the sleep / power-down states.

That's not just Windows 8 - it's been true of every version.

Just shut your systems down when you don't need 'em. Or, far better - just let 'em run with the monitors powered-down.


I never "sleep" or "hibernate" my systems, and lo and behold they run consistently for weeks on end (between Windows Updates that require reboots).

I have a server (once a workstation, long since retired) running Vista x64 for years. It's on a very good UPS and hadn't been off since about 2010. Lo and behold, we had a bad storm and an extended power failure about 10 days ago, which exceeded the 45 minute UPS capacity, so the system shut down to a full power-off state.

It never came back on. I think it's the power supply that didn't survive the cooling/heating cycle.

It may not be "green", but I suggest you avoid sleep/hibernation/shutdown entirely.



-Noel

Huh? I put my computer in sleep mode every night. I have done so every night for probably the past several years. The only time I've shut it down is when it needs to get unplugged from the wall. Never had a single problem.
I also had a laptop that I did the same. Since it was a laptop and had a battery I never turned it off at all, and used sleep mode for a few years. Never once had an issue.

I think you're looking at some bad hardware or drivers if you can't handle low power states properly. Theres nothing wrong with Windows' sleep/hibernate modes.




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