[allen2]

If you have a floppy drive, it's easier but not exactly like this.
You'll have to download the f6flpy-x86.zip and extract all files to the floppy drive.
Then set in the bios ahci mode.
Then boot the XP SP3 CD and press F6 when prompted and choose the ICH10 (not ICH10R) driver when prompted.
Then you should be able to see the hard drive and choose it for install.
The almost same method will work with the marvel driver (but as no sata port is connected to this controller on the MB you won't see any hard drive except if you connected an IDE)

This post has been edited by allen2: 19 February 2013 - 05:22 PM

[Daytrader]

Thankyou very much again, if i wanted to use the ide slots as well as the sata slots would i have to install both sets of drivers from the floppy, cheers

This post has been edited by Daytrader: 19 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

[Daytrader]

So guys, am i right in thinking, if i install xp pro with sp3 slipstreamed into my install disk, and install useing my asus p5ql pro motherboard useing the sata port connected to my install sata hard drive with bios set to ide, i do not have to slipstream the sata ahci/raid drivers in if bios is set to ide and i do not want to enable ahci or raid in the future ? i mean will i still get the sata hard drive working to its 300 speed spec, i know it dont actually get any where near that, but i mean will i be getting the full benift from my connected sata drive compared to just a old pata/ata hard drive, i just want confirmation please / cheers

[jaclaz]

allen2, on 19 February 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Thanks Jaclaz for discreting my post without having read the motherboard manual (especially the bios settings and the specifications):
The marvell drivers were stamped as sata driver but on this asus board the marvell controller isn't connected to any intern sata port as per the asus manual (or if read properly the specifications of motherboard).
As the specs also show ICH10 chipset as southbridge, you might also check intel to see how many sata port it support. The ICH10 is the "Intel® 82801JO I/O Controller" and it support 6 sata port (the same of sata port the motherboard provide).
Of course you can still say that may be asus connected some sata to marvel instead of ICH10 so you can try with them if you want but you'll end up most likely with your hard drive not being detected (or getting a bsod).

Actually I did not discret (nor maybe discredit) anything. I posted exactly what I posted.
That I did not understand your reference to ICH10.
AND stated how the motherboard support page has ONLY that "Marvell" file listed as SATA driver, and how I presumed that a motherboard manufacturer actually knows which drivers are needed for a motherboard they make AND provides the right drivers.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Now you explicited how, by reading info provided by the same motherboard manufacturer, it is clear (to you) how the drivers they provide are the wrong ones.

You might want to look for the bolded italiciized verbs in the above on a dictionary

jaclaz

[Daytrader]

So what about my question guys

[jaclaz]

Daytrader, on 21 February 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

So what about my question guys

Which one?

Daytrader, on 21 February 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

So guys, am i right in thinking, if i install xp pro with sp3 slipstreamed into my install disk, and install useing my asus p5ql pro motherboard useing the sata port connected to my install sata hard drive with bios set to ide, i do not have to slipstream the sata ahci/raid drivers in if bios is set to ide and i do not want to enable ahci or raid in the future ? i mean will i still get the sata hard drive working to its 300 speed spec, i know it dont actually get any where near that, but i mean will i be getting the full benift from my connected sata drive compared to just a old pata/ata hard drive, i just want confirmation please / cheers

The answers to these ones has been already posted.
http://www.msfn.org/...ost__p__1030467

Yes, you *can* install to a SATA disk setting the BIOS in "IDE compatibility mode", it will work alright..
Yes, you don't *have to* enable AHCI in the future.
No, you won' thave the *full* benefit from your SATA drive if you use not AHCI, the difference between what you will get in "ide compatibility mode" vs. AHCI is not easily calculated, a number of factors may affect it, including the model/make of the hard disk drive, the controllers used, etc., etc.
And yes it is possible to install in "IDE compatibility mode" and only later "switch" to AHCI.

jaclaz

[allen2]

Using IDE mode will most likely make you loose between 5 or 10% if you benchmark the drive in both mode and compare.
In real world usage, you most likely won't see any difference.

@Jaclaz
Yes, guess what english isn't my first language and i am not anywhere near being fluent in english. But in the end, you understood what i meant.

[Daytrader]

Thx again guys, so even installing a new install of xp pro on my sata hard drive without intel/sata drivers with the default ide setting in my motherboard bios, it will still be like useing a sata drive and not a old ata/pata drive correct ? its just that i will loose a little because its not AHCI enabled, but still the bandwidth will be upto 300 and not just 133 limited of a old ata/pata drive, cheers

[allen2]

Yes.

[Daytrader]

Thx for confirmation, i hate being OCD over these things and asking the same sort of question over and over again, cheers for understanding.

[jaclaz]

@dyatrader
BUT there is still a misunderstanding.
Do no confuse bus speed with actual device (or data transfer) speed.
Benchmark your disk (and possibly find a public benchmark of it and several other disk to make a comparison).

A SATA interface is credited for THEORETICAL:
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Serial_ATA

Quote

2.1 SATA revision 1.0 - 1.5 Gbit/s - 150 MB/s
2.2 SATA revision 2.0 - 3 Gbit/s - 300 MB/s
2.3 SATA revision 3.0 - 6 Gbit/s - 600 MB/s

as always happens most of the hype is about the theory, any common 7200 RPM hard disk SATA 2 or SATA 3 will not be that much faster than a very fast SATA1 disk, as more or less the "saturation" of a mechanical hard disk is near the 150 Mb/s (and in day-to-day opreration what really counts is read times and "random access")

Check this:
http://www.computerw...our_SATA_speed_
and this (to have an idea how different settings with differnet disk drives may be largely different):
http://expertester.w...mark-advantage/

jaclaz

[Daytrader]

Thankyou for that post, i will do some tests once i get my system up and running, i just wanted to make sure my new sata hard drive will still have some benifits connected to the sata port(even thou AHCI wont be enabled or sata drivers installed ) on motherboard over a old ide drive connected to the old ide slots, and allen2 confirmed it will be enabled as a sata drive still.