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(huh-bo-ee...) Per the Wiki (WIKI-WIKI????) link

This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (August 2009)

You ARE aware that Wiki is a "user-contributed" information source (maybe NOT so trustworthy for ACCURATE information). That same Wiki does NOT state WHAT "backup software" doe the "reset archive bit". I wouldn't trust that so much if I were you as there have been many a "technical article" there that have been erroneous.

I like jaclaz' links - they're funny and sometimes informative, especially when they're intended to be!

Yes, softwareS. Some folks use that to denote that usage for "plural". See this (start at post#5) -
http://forum.wordref...ad.php?t=231221
Have you ever used CPUID (note the text)?
http://www.cpuid.com/softwares.html
Seriously, you have a slight insulting nature yourself. :whistle: (Yes, had straight A's in all English-oriented classes.)

I suppose if you really wanted to then a solution to fit your needs could be "collaboratively developed" from tools and softwares on hand. :unsure: After all, you're an Ex-programmer as well (did I mention that you've been communicating with a couple?)... :yes:

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I will have to keep in mind what you said about forum members having problems with Windows 7. I know that W7 has security features that make it a different animal to backup. It's too bad that I'll never have an answer for the "permissions" issue -- maybe there is a M$ MVP genius that could explain it; but I haven't gotten good or clear answers from M$ in the past.

Well, I fear I cannot be of much help on MS' newest OSes, since my personal experience with 7 is *very* limited (read: used - here and there, mainly at work - but am not forced to use it, own one copy which I've never come around to install yet) and with 8 is actually nil.

You want to know what an "archive bit" is? Here is the description: "The archive bit is a file attribute used by Microsoft operating systems, by OS/2 and by the Amiga OS. Typically its state indicates whether or not the file has been backed up." Source here.

Yet the archive bit has been straightforwardly disregarded by everybody & their cousins almost since incept time (or, at least, from very early DOS times), so that it's just about obsolete, because of being unreliable, although it was a great idea, to begin with.

(huh-bo-ee...) Per the Wiki (WIKI-WIKI????) link

This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (August 2009)

You ARE aware that Wiki is a "user-contributed" information source (maybe NOT so trustworthy for ACCURATE information). That same Wiki does NOT state WHAT "backup software" does the "reset archive bit". I wouldn't trust that so much if I were you as there have been many a "technical article" there that have been erroneous.


Yet, the same English Wikipedia, which I'm also fond of quoting, has (or, sometimes, has had) great entries on a variety op computer-related subjects, although not always, IMO, the best version is the extant (see, for instance, FAT, as opposed to the current version), due to the current predominance of a strictist view on the application of their own rules. Such a view also is conducting to the elimination a kind of entry that provided approximate facts for things about which truth cannot possibly be known (at least by scientific methods alone, afaics), as is the case of the usage share of OSes... in which a single set of numbers, generated by a rather difficult to justify median procedure, had the quality of being comparable to one another, and, with passing time, of thus providing a very welcome (even if somewhat distorted, but by non-partisan bias, afaics) view on what was happening. The current entry is much less useful, and is being considered for complete removal, which now perhaps may really be the case, unfortunately.

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@dencorso
Well, just for the record, even the current FAT article on Wikipedia has more than one issues.

I will cite, not to make it too technical a couple sentences in the exFAT part:

exFAT
Main article: exFAT

exFAT is an incompatible file system, that was introduced with Windows Embedded CE 6.0 in November 2006. It is loosely based on the File Allocation Table architecture, but proprietary and protected by patents.
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Storage devices formatted as exFAT cannot exchange data with equipment not supporting the format. Much equipment does not support exFAT, which requires acquisition of a license from Microsoft[citation needed]. This involves a cost, and is also against the policy of open source operating systems.
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Someone that writes:
  • "exFAT is an incompatible file system" <- incompatible with WHAT? :w00t:
  • "Storage devices formatted as exFAT cannot exchange data with equipment not supporting the format." <- Really? Good moorning, Mr. de La Palice! I have rarely seen a storage device actually "willing" to "exchange" data, BUT all those that were formatted with *any* filesystem not supported by the equipment, no matter what filesystem it was, had
    on them data that was not readily accessible by the equipment.
should IMNSHO be slapped (hard) in the face to have him/her wake up! :realmad:

BUT, I still think that WIkipedia is nonetheless a VERY GOOD resource for the "base info" :thumbup

You have nailed down the real issue - which now is, in an attempt to avoid incorrect articles, an excessive, indiscriminate (and often plainly wrong) use of rules, the worst of which is "citationism", which is one of the ways to verify the contents that makes lots of sense about "established" topics, but make NONE WHATSOEVER when it comes to "news", "research" and "new development".

Basically if you don't have two or three "reputable" sources to backup *any* statement, one of the "strict" Wikipedians will soon edit them (BTW without understanding them or actually verifying them).
And the "English" Wikipedia is not that bad :).

Cannot say the other languages, but I have recently read (with HORROR :ph34r: ) the discussion on the Italian one about CAINE, a (BTW IMHO very good) completely Open Source, linux based, Forensic Distro, whose author, Nanni Bassetti, had the page first suspended and then deleted.

I - for one - won't have anything to do with people that have that attitude :realmad: ,.
Since I am after all a nice guy ;), I will limit myself to define those guys as "a bunch of presumptuos, arrogant, good-for-nothing and useless lazy bums".

Since I believe you can understand enough Italian, if you want to have a look at it, it is here:
http://www.nannibass...sp?articolo=182
http://it.wikipedia....cellare/Caine/2

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Since I believe you can understand enough Italian, if you want to have a look at it, it is here:
http://www.nannibass...sp?articolo=182
http://it.wikipedia....cellare/Caine/2

Sure. That's the point. The wholesale application of Wikipedia:No original research (to the point that merely calculating a median is taken to be "original research") and of Verifiability and Reliable Sources equally ferociously may doom Wikipedia in the end, but is already wreaking havok here and there, particularly in fast-moving fields like computer matters. Here is the bizarre full story of the Usage share of OSes (notice it's composed of 5 archival pages plus the current one! :wacko: ) Yet, that said, the English Wikipedia seems to me to have more and better content than its counterparts in any other language I can read, perhaps because it's the one that has, by far, the most contributors, and this ensures the Darwinian survival of good content, no matter what (provided, of course, it's not nipped in the bud by Wikipedia:NOR, WP:V & WP:RS).

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On second thought:

There's also something called "LiveXP" and willing to bet the same method can be used to make a 2K one since they're in the same "family". Voila! No problemo!

You lose. :yes:

The /minint parameter was added to the Kernel with XP.
There is NO way to make a PE (which LiveXP is, notwithstanding the name) from Windows 2000 files. :no:

BUT it is (was) possible to make a "full" Windows 2000 run from CD. :yes: (and consequently I presume to have it run from .iso)



Unfortunately the (Commercial) software that allowed to do so (basically a couple of smart drivers) went lost in the midst of time, company acquisitions (and thus re-focusing) and what not.

See:
http://reboot.pro/to...indows-2000-pe/
http://reboot.pro/to...2000#entry54885

And YES, I am citing (mostly) myself, so these info are not suitable for Wikipedia ;) and you won't find it among the "most popular" on CNET... :whistle:


XP on Cd is on the other hand possible and documented (JFYI):
http://reboot.pro/to...project-etboot/

BUT, a nice chap made something like that possible with 2K too (besides with XP, different method/approach than ETBOOT) :thumbup :
http://www.resqware.com/

Windows 2000 should work, but it is not officially supported, see FAQ's:
http://www.rescueboot.com/help/FAQ.htm
http://www.resqware.com/faq/faq.htm#6

Of course since less and less people are running "only" Windows 2000 there is very little work done to "better" the thingy, make it more flexible, etc.

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Edited by jaclaz, 06 April 2013 - 08:56 AM.


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OH GAWD! Good thing I bet $0.00... :w00t:

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It's amazing reading these "non-responses" to the original question of the post. Except for @dencorso, when reading these comments, I feel like I'm back in high school. Challenging the poster, insinuating that they don't know what they are talking about; it's all unnecessary and a waste of time. The way I look at it is, if you can't contribute a useful answer to the original question, why post? I'll try Microsoft's MSDN, Technet and other tech blogs for my answers regarding Microsoft in the future. This will be my last post here at MSFN (unless I have questions about Tomasz's UURollup.)




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