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Interesting ... "FAA certifies first two drones for commercial use", more interesting are the comments below the article ... this one says anything under 50 lbs is considered a model, those two drones are just over 50 lbs (?) ... wonder if they could be under 50 lbs but were made to be over 50 lbs. The article says "both weigh less than 55 pounds" but maybe over the 50 lbs limit?

 

Yep its sad the government is light-years behind us,

FAA Modernization And Reform Act 2012 [H.R.658.ENR] SEC.336

it clearly states anything under 50 lbs is a model and not bound by the FAA rules. Lawyers can fight over that all day reality is till you hurt someone, bother someone or make money off it nobody is going to care.

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I guess that situation (on Law side) is much more complex than that.

The document is however public:
http://www.gpo.gov/f...-112hrpt381.pdf

I guess that the first point that makes the certification needed for those is that a "model" can ONLY be flown for hobby:

(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered
by a community-based organization;
(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and
(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at
the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).

 
and, later:

© MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘model aircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is—
(1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere;
(2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating
the aircraft; and
(3) flown for hobby or recreational purposes.

 
 
 
 
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Well, I may have finally found a reason to like drones ...

 

African officials seek U.S. drones to fight elephant poachers

 

http://www.washingto...nzania-conside/

 

Tanzania’s storied wildlife reserves could soon get a watchful, winged inhabitant: U.S. drones.

 

On his visit to the East African nation last month, President Obama discussed the possibility of using unarmed, unmanned aircraft to help overstretched park rangers combat the growing problem of elephant poaching in Tanzania’s vast wildlife reserves and national parks, Tanzanian Ambassador to the United States Liberata Mulamula told editors and reporters at The Washington Times this week.

 

Wildlife groups estimate that 10,000 to 25,000 elephants are killed in Tanzania each year for their ivory tusks and the number of elephants in southern Tanzania has fallen by more than half. Much of the ivory is shipped illegally to Asian markets.

 

“The extent of poaching is very, very, very high,” John Salehe, director of the African Wildlife Foundation’s Maasai Steppe, said in a phone interview from Tanzania.

 

There has been sharp increase in elephant poaching over the past year, he said.

 

... more at the link

 

pretty good if it can save some endangered wildlife ... too bad they wouldn't be armed with missles to blow the bums up, away from the animals of course.

 



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Is this really a helicopter or possibly a drone ??? The picture of it flying sure looks more like a drone.

 

Dutch artist turns dead ostrich into a helicopter

 

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1414534

 

Bart Jansen, who had previously converted his dead cat into a similar remote-controlled device,' thought it would be funny to 'make fly a bird that can't' in his latest project.

 

August 1, 2013

 

The Dutch artist who turned a dead cat into a remote-controlled helicopter is back, and this time he's using an ostrich.

 

Bart Jansen made headlines in 2012 when he converted the corpse of his deceased puss Orville, who was killed by a car, into a chopper.

 

Now the barmy inventor has gone one step further by combining a dead ostrich with mechanical parts to create an "Ostrichcopter".

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Well, one of the points thats that I thought we discussed on this thread enough is that the borders between a RC helicopter (quadricopter) and a "drone" and "unmanned aircraft" and "A.I. driven" are pretty much confused.

 

This thingy:

http://www.bladehelis.com/350qx/

is sold as "RC controlled quadricopter", but has a "get home" function :w00t: :yes: :thumbup:

 

See, besides the official video:

 

 

this UNofficial one ;):

 

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Well I was just having some fun ... I guess if the "developer" or owner of the dead ostrich wants to call it a helicopter ... then that's what it is. I just thought in today's world ... calling it a flying "ostrich drone" would be more fitting or with the times ! ...

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The Drone Industry doesn't like the word "drone" ...

 

Drone industry gives journalists not-so-subtle hint — don’t use the word ‘drones’

 

August 14, 2013

 

http://www.washingto...se-word-drones/

 

“Drone” is a dirty word at this week’s drone industry convention in Washington.

 

The sector long has opposed use of the term, which, some argue, carries inherently negative connotations and doesn’t accurately describe the awesome technology seen in today’s unmanned vehicles.

 

Efforts to stop journalists from using the word “drone” have failed miserably over the years, but the industry hasn’t given up trying.

 

Inside the media room at the Washington convention center, the WiFi password is the not-so-subtle phrase “DontSayDrones.”

 

The word is defined in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary as “an unmanned aircraft or ship guided by remote control.”

 

At this point, removing the term from the American lexicon — or from future news stories — will be virtually impossible.

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I'm more interested in who changed the word Tiny from this topic's title and why.  :huh:

 

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So you also wondered why the word "Tiny" was changed ... since I started this topic, I was curious myself why the word was changed ... it wasn't me ... but it is interesting that you noticed. I can only take a stab at it, since I have only a few years of college ... it had to be someone with a PhD or two PhD's and is well versed in "large" words.

 

Diminutive is not a word that I use much in my daily survival on Earth, but it's always good to be more "educated" ... "Tiny" was from the article and was just fine with me in my day to day existence before the "big one" (asteroid) hits!

 

Am glad that someone also noticed and wondered why ... may have been a "secret" government hacking group that decided they didn't like the word "Tiny" ... heck, they could be changing other words and sentences without too much notice. I just think it's funny the way you posted your "observation" !


Edited by duffy98, 15 August 2013 - 02:08 AM.


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Is it a bird?

Is it a plane?

Is it a drone?

 

Two out of three :w00t::

http://martinjetpack.com/

 

 

What is the Martin Jetpack?

The Martin Jetpack is the world’s first practical jetpack. It consists of a purpose-built gasoline engine driving twin ducted fans which produce sufficient thrust to lift the aircraft and a pilot in vertical takeoff and landing, and enable sustained flight.

The Martin Jetpack is creating a new segment in the aviation and recreational vehicle markets. Initially designed with the leisure market in mind, commercial demand for the Martin Jetpack has seen the development programme focus on readying the product for use in a number of sectors including emergency response, defence and recreation, with numerous applications in each sector.

There is also an unmanned version planned which will lift more than most vertical take-off and landing unmanned aerial vehicles.

The Martin Jetpack can take off from a small space, so is easy to deploy anywhere.  It is easy to learn to fly, has an automated hover function, and is expected to be able to be flown in reasonable weather conditions.

Safety is very important to the Martin Aircraft Company.  The dedicated engine is being designed to an aviation industry standard.  In addition, the Martin Jetpack is designed to protect the pilot, including a ballistic parachute and a crumple undercarriage.

 

 

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Well I can see it will be out of my price range and it's a little large to suit me ... I prefer the one that James Bond had in Thunderball !

 

James Bond used the Jetpack in 1965's Thunderball, to escape from gunmen after killing a SPECTRE agent.

 

http://www.007james....ts/jet_pack.php

 

The Jetpack

 

In the 1965 movie Thunderball, James Bond (Sean Connery) uses Q's Jetpack to escape from two gunmen after killing Jacques Bouvar, SPECTRE Agent No. 6. It was also used in the Thunderball movie posters, being the "Look Up" part of the "Look Up! Look Down! Look Out!" tagline. The Jetpack returned in the 2002 movie Die Another Day, in the Q scene that showcased many other classic gadgets. The Jetpack is a very popular Bond gadget and is a favorite among many fans due to its originality and uniqueness.

 

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Yep ;), but there a couple not-so-trifling differences,  the "original" jetpack (which BTW was a - failed - project of the US military) are:

  1. time of flight limited to max around 30 seconds :w00t:
  2. use of a highly corrosive and dangerous "fuel", hydrogen peroxide :ph34r:

About prices, the Martin thingy is estimated at between US$ 70,000 and 100,000, whilst it's possible competitor, the JetPi Falcon is estimated at ariound US$ 200,000.

 

BTW a hydrogen peroxide fueled model from the same JetPi company was sold in 2007 for US$150,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_pack

http://en.wikipedia....k_International

 

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Aerospace Company Develops Drone That Can Fly Continuously For 5 Years

 

October 7, 2013

 

http://lasvegas.cbsl...ly-for-5-years/

 

 

MORIARTY, N.M. (CBS Las Vegas) — An aerospace company has presented its design “atmospheric satellites” that fly at 65,000 feet and provide drone-like services such as live-mapping and monitoring narcotics trafficking.

 

Titan Aerospace recently offered the Solara series of such drones: which can fly continuously for nearly five years, charging its own battery high above commercial aircraft through the use of solar power. The larger Solara will be 60 meters wide and have the ability to carry about 250 pounds.

 

Cruising speed for the Solara is about 65 mph, and the unmanned craft will have an operating range of over 2.8 million miles.

 

... more information at the link.

 



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Just a heads up: there's a piece on drones in the Nov 2013 Issue of Scientific American. :w00t:



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Thanks for the drone article link ... that's an interesting story about how easy it is to hack a drone (at that time anyway ... that story is from 2010) ... the U.S. Navy helicopter seems to have failed on everything ... this part of the article: "To make matters worse, the drone failed to execute software instructions that would have forced it to return to its base. "

Can't find out what happened to the "stray" drone ... did they destroy it or finally get it to return to the base? You have to subscribe to read the rest of the article ... or did I miss another link?

 

Drone news has sort of dried up compared to the earlier part of the year.


Edited by duffy98, 29 October 2013 - 08:44 AM.


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Rest assured that a Scientific American piece on drones is sure to elicit further drone news shortly...

And fact is they're here to stay (there's no avoiding them, so to say). :angel

 

I mean... I remain as skeptic as ever about the feasibility of a mosquito-sized (or smaller) drone being an issue, because there seem to be no way to keep such a thing powered (because any viable power-source ought to be much bigger than that and on-board -- hence the tethered solutions we've been seeing so far, around those scales). But fuller drones are a reality, for a long time already... it's their crossing over to civilian uses and affordable prices -- leading to easy availability -- that may end up being a problem, as you know.



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Found some information when the Navy lost control of the drone over D.C. airspace in 2010.

 

Navy Drone Violated Washington Airspace

 

http://www.nytimes.c...us/26drone.html

 

 August 25, 2010

 

WASHINGTON — The skies over the nation’s capital are crowded with presidential aircraft, military flyovers and the Delta shuttle, but this month a strange new bird was briefly among them: a United States Navy drone that wandered into the restricted airspace around Washington before operators could stop it.

 

Navy spokesmen could not say Wednesday if anyone on the ground was alarmed by the drone — officially an MQ-8B Fire Scout Vertical Takeoff and Landing unmanned aerial vehicle — which looks like a small windowless helicopter and was flying at 2,000 feet. The Navy did say that the drone got within 40 miles of Washington before operators were able to re-establish communication and guide it back to its base in southern Maryland.

 

Still, the Aug. 2 incident resulted in the grounding of all six of the Navy’s Fire Scouts as well as an inquiry into what went wrong. The Navy is calling the problem a “software issue” that foiled the drone’s operators.

 

Or, as Cmdr. Danny Hernandez, a Navy spokesman, put it: “When they lose contact with the Fire Scout, there’s a program that’s supposed to have it immediately return to the airfield to land safely. That did not happen as planned.”

 

Navy spokesmen said the Fire Scout, made by Northrop Grumman, was a little more than an hour into a test flight operating out of Naval Air Station Patuxent River on the Chesapeake Bay when operators lost its control link. The drone then flew 23 miles on a north-by-northwest course to enter Washington’s restricted airspace. A half-hour later, Navy spokesmen said, operators re-established control and the drone landed safely back at Patuxent.

 

The Navy did not describe the scene inside the ground control station as operators sought to re-establish communication with the drone.

 

The Fire Scout, about 31 feet long and 10 feet high, is a surveillance aircraft that can take off from Navy warships. In April, a Fire Scout was part of a drug arrest in the waters off Central America. According to the Navy, the Fire Scout relayed video of a suspicious fishing vessel to the Coast Guard and law enforcement officials, who moved in and seized 60 kilos of cocaine.


Edited by duffy98, 31 October 2013 - 03:17 AM.


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Scrap the drones, get a Google robot :w00t::

http://deadlinelive....miltary-police/

 

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So where are we headed with all this ... Google has a spy program that almost rivals the NSA ... haven't they built huge data centers to "store" everything they collect and now they have become a military contractor. Are we headed for the "The United States of Google"? I'm looking for an underground cave home ... just too dangerous to be on the surface anymore !!!

 

"Many of Boston Dynamics’ robots have been developed with funding from the US Department of Defense’s research unit, Darpa, making Google a military contractor, at least for now."


Edited by duffy98, 21 December 2013 - 02:59 PM.


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U.S. Army Considers Replacing Thousands of Soldiers With Robots


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... just to, so-to-say, keep the fire burning... :P



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The idea of having robots fighting for you in wars always was some dream, and we can see it in movies if we want. I think the problem is that real life technology does not work quite as well as it does in movies. I figure they would have already done all the research into what to do if something stops working, maybe it gets lost, falls over and can't get back up, gets hit by a truck or some other non-combat related mishap. I will still remember those times NASA put in all that work to make a rover to send to Mars and it just blew up on the way over there. Felt bad for those guys and felt good when they finally got one over there.


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It's always a great idea to have robots fight for one... or, at least, act as helpers to the actual fighters, so as to reduce or even eliminate at least some "collateral damage".  Then again, it's dreadful to be fought by machines one cannot kill nor stop (in different ways, the Matrix, RoboCop and Terminator, among others, muse about that, don't they?)... :ph34r:



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Ideally if mankind evolutes enough to create such robots it would be mature enough to make wars unneeded.

 

A dispute could be settled by flippism :yes: or even through a robot fight, but more like "Real Steel":

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433035/

than those more catastrophic Sci-Fi examples.

 

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dencorso ... see you revived the topic, it was getting ready to go to "Page 2" or into history. I did see the article you posted about and I decided not to post about it, I agree with everything you said. Ok, so military people are replaced that have to be fed three times a day ... instead of a barricks, a warehouse of some sort would give the drones shelter but the maintenance cost might be the same as feeding the troops three meals a day ... keeping them all in working order, installing new generation chips, replacing worn out parts.

 

It's all interesting ... maybe a balance or mix of drones and people will be the way they go in the future.

 

Saw this today ...

 

Swarms of drones could be the next frontier in emergency response

 

01/25/2014 ... 6 hours ago

 

 Nidhi Subbaraman  NBC News 

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...onse-2D11988741

 

Robots that can buzz, whir, and clamber into some of the most dangerous crime scenes and disaster zones are coming to the aid of police officers and other first responders who put themselves in harm’s way.

 

In October 2013, a parolee barricaded himself in a Roseville, Calif., suburban home of a young couple and their toddler, taking mother and child hostage. A SWAT team from the local police station captured the alleged offender and took him in, but not before gunfire ripped through the one-story home and injured officers.

 

Law enforcement officers on the ground had help from bomb squad robots, that helped push aside the furniture the suspect had piled up as a barricade. But two detectives believe that a bit of unmanned aerial backup would have made a big difference.

 

.... all good points jaclaz about future wars ...

 

Tripredacus ... have to agree, maybe it will always be a dream ... how's this scenario, we have an army of robot drones guarding a city or for an invasion ... there they are facing the enemy in lines and columns ... but the enemy hacks into the "machine army" computer brains, slowly they start turning around to join forces with the enemy to attack us ... people running everywhere for the hills in panic.

 

Could we honestly ever get a good night's sleep counting on a robot drone army to keep us safe. Maybe well into the future after all the kinks are worked out.

 

typo edit ... "the enemy" instead of "he"

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Edited by duffy98, 25 January 2014 - 01:55 PM.


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Ideally if mankind evolutes enough to create such robots it would be mature enough to make wars unneeded.
 
A dispute could be settled by flippism :yes: or even through a robot fight, but more like "Real Steel":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433035/
than those more catastrophic Sci-Fi examples.


Ironically, Real Steel was on TV just as I read this post.

I like the idea though. :thumbup: And depending on how much entertainment value we want to provide we can design something in between national Gladiators in a Coliseum to Celebrity Deathmatch style battles between elected politicians. Or scale it up to technological matches spanning from RC controlled Gigantor and Real Steel bots to full-on self-aware Transformer units.

However, with budget considerations and the current low-expectations from our modern design geniuses all we'll probably see is this ...

Spoiler

... Let him who hath understanding reckon the Number Of The Beast ...





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