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I'm thinking about building another Win98 system and was wondering if Abit's IP35V board is compatible with? (It's a P35+ICH7 based board)


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It can probably be made to work. xRayer created a set of modified INF's for newer Intel systems, and I have been working on a similar project.

I did encounter some problems getting 9x up and running on ICH7 and ICH10 Intel boards however. When installing Windows 9x, sometimes the PCI Bus Enumeration will fail (probably due to a later version of ACPI which doesn't play well with 9x), leaving the system with only a fraction of its actual devices installed. This can be fixed by manually installing the PCI Bus Enumerator. (Thanks to rloew for figuring this out! :angel )

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This can be fixed by manually installing the PCI Bus Enumerator. (Thanks to rloew for figuring this out! :angel )

You mean: by right-clicking an .INF or merging a .reg... or by direct editing of the registry?
Is there a separate .INF for the PCI Bus Enumerator? If so, what's its name? Or are you talking about SWENUM.INF?

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You mean: by right-clicking an .INF or merging a .reg... or by direct editing of the registry?
Is there a separate .INF for the PCI Bus Enumerator? If so, what's its name? Or are you talking about SWENUM.INF?

No, all you have to do is go under "Add New Hardware" and manually install "PCI bus." (If I remember correctly; this was done under Windows 95, so it may be slightly different under 98 & up. I will check it again.)

EDIT:

Yes, it's the same process under 98. "Add New Hardware", choose to manually select a device, then choose "System devices," then "PCI bus."

98 & up MAY? have other issues with ACPI on these systems. 95 does not support ACPI to begin with, so it's not an issue under 95, but I can't speak for the others.

Edited by LoneCrusader, 21 June 2013 - 10:47 PM.


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I'm thinking about building another Win98 system and was wondering if Abit's IP35V board is compatible with? (It's a P35+ICH7 based board)

I've found the manual. The Abit IP35V has four SATA ports and one IDE port. If your HDD is a SATA drive, disable the IDE controller. If it is a IDE drive, disable the SATA controller in the BIOS. Otherwise Win98 will probably not boot or the HDD could run in slow DOS compatibility mode. Or purchase RLoew's SATA patch. 

There's no driver for onboard sound. For the Marvell Gigabit Lan could be a driver. I don't find the model. But the board has three PCI slots. That should be enough.  :)

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Thanks all :)

The system I'm wanting to build is a Core2 + PCI Express. Would this board be the best option or is there something better out there?

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Thanks all :)

The system I'm wanting to build is a Core2 + PCI Express. Would this board be the best option or is there something better out there?


It will be a good option, if it works. Be aware, that this board isn't testet. I havn't found anything related to Win98 in this forum and elsewhere.


In any case I look forward to your results. :D

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@[FMC]Ravage, on 25 June 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:
"Core2 + PCI Express"
If I understand, you are trying to strike a balance between achieving a
useable Win98 system [hence the ICH7 + 3 PCI] w/ a reasonably recent mobo
allowing for use w/ other [later] OSes (in future, or now w/ multiple boot).
You want that mobo to use a reasonably fast CPU [hence the Core2] & allowing
use of cards for later technologies/useable by later OSes [hence the PCI-E].
(Are the 3 PCI slots (and/or the 1333MHz FSB) on the Abit IP35V what attracted
you to this mobo?)
I guess you need to identify what are the absolute minimum number of PCI slots
(& IDE slots) that you need for a mobo to be useful 'for you' in Win98.
Beside that Abit 'P35' board, other makers had 'G41' or 'P41' Core2 boards
with 3 PCI & ICH7 - Gigabyte had these mobos, for instance;
GA-P41T-USB3L, GA-EP41T-USB3, GA-EP41-UD3L, GA-P41T-D3P, GA-P41-ES3G,
GA-G41MT-ES2H, GA-EP41-US3L, GA-EG41M-S2H, GA-P41T-D3, GA-P41T-ES3G,
GA-G41M-ES2H, and possibly a specific mix of features that you may want for use
in later OSes could be found amongst them, but suitability for Win98 is unknown.
This Win98 Topic;
http://www.msfn.org/...than-1-gib-ram/
shows member 'krelian' using a Gigabyte GA-P31-ES3G,
& shows member 'Lecco' using an MSI P31 Neo V2 [ aka MS-7392 Ver:1.2],
& shows member 'xRaYer' using a Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L,
those mobos being 1333MHz, Core2, ICH7, 3 PCI boards.
[For myself, I'd go for a mobo with an ICH7R or ICH7DH instead, as this may
allow use of AHCI in later OSes.]
Cheers

Edited by buyerninety, 26 June 2013 - 06:30 PM.


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[For myself, I'd go for a mobo with an ICH7R or ICH7DH instead, as this may
allow use of AHCI in later OSes.]

I would be careful with this suggestion. I don't know about the ICH7R or ICH7DH, but some AHCI Controllers do not support Non-AHCI modes. An AHCI only Controller would make Windows 98 unuseable.
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rloew said;
"An AHCI only Controller would make Windows 98 unuseable."
Agreed. Although my comment, more as an aside to myself, looked at it
from a different perspective - ICH7 being the 'high water mark' as it
were of confident Win98 working, I often see it more as a question of
}'what ICH7 boards give the ability to use Win98 AND MAXIMIZE the
ability for the owner to use later technologies/later OSes in future'.{
I have not heard of any ICH7/ICH7R/ICH7DH mobo which did not have IDE
mode (useable by Win98). Many with ICH7R/ICH7DH (and I mean later mobo
of 975X/G41 era) have an AHCI mode in the BIOS, therefore for me, a mobo
with ICH7R/ICH7DH would provide an extra positive factor (for future
proofing/useage of later drvs-OSes) when considering whether to buy.
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[I readily admit that while a ICH7R/ICH7DH mobo with AHCI mode would be
useful for using ACHI for later OSes, it is not something [FMC]Ravage
should attempt to 'multiple boot' with. THAT setup is in the realm of
'exploration required' - interesting to see, only for you and me... after AHCI
set in the BIOS, would a FAT32 drv be seen on its IDE cable? would it be
ignored BY the later OS as if it 'weren't there' in a similar fashion to how a
Win98 FAT32 drv doesn't 'see' an NTFS drv?... would the later AHCI using
OS attempt to write to & corrupt(?) the Win98 install on the Win98 FAT32
drv... more curious questions in the Win98 world...
grin.]
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(In regard to ICH7R/ICH7DH, I am aware of about three 'if money no
problem' G41 industrial boards that would be my prime purchase targets
for a Win98 system... but perhaps we shouldn't wander further off
[FMC]Ravage's topic!.)
Cheers

Edited by buyerninety, 27 June 2013 - 01:59 AM.


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Moreover, alternating between AHCI and IDE Compatible modes can only be done at BIOS configuration level, and requires a further reboot, AFAICS. Or is it there any software capable of performing the mode change after the BIOS has executed (i.e. at DDO or bootstrap-loader or boot-menu time)?

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Moreover, alternating between AHCI and IDE Compatible modes can only be done at BIOS configuration level, and requires a further reboot, AFAICS. Or is it there any software capable of performing the mode change after the BIOS has executed (i.e. at DDO or bootstrap-loader or boot-menu time)?

My advisory was on AHCI in general, not the specific Chipsets mentioned.

A DDO can switch to IDE Mode if the Chipset supports it.

I wrote a DDO to switch a Highpoint Rocket card to IDE and replace the BIOS Driver, but the Marvell Controller was designed as AHCI only.
I was able to switch it to IDE anyway but it was Read Only.
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