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Maybe a year or two ago I started up my 9x systems again to up date them. When I went looking for a browser I got the usual, which firefox, opera, ect. I kept looking and found a new browser which had versions for 98 thru 7. They were only a short trial and then you had to buy them. After the trial was over I took it off the system and now I cant find them, I am 66 and can forget much. I maybe think, you bought it over seas, maybe INDIA, but not the current one which is in the INDIAN language.

ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THIS??

I have many many parts around that have 98SE drivers and would like to put a system together and buy the browser I cant find.

One mother board can use a INTEL early 775 chip, the SL8J7 which runs at 3.8 gig, which I have.

HELP!!

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If I cant find that browser then what is the best to use?
I have 2 systems with 9x in them, one has a P2 micro at 450MHZ and the other has a P3 micro at 1.4GHZ.
The browser is the bad thing on both. Ebay is the crash site for both these systems. Parts of ebay are missing
when I first go there and then with use more goes away. I have tried IE6, firefox 2 and 3, and opera.
So because I am starting a new 9X system with a micro at 3.8GHZ I really would like a good browser. I have tried
many of the others listed on the net but can not get them to work or work any better.

If I cant get a good browser then maybe I will have a dual boot system, 9X for all but the net and a Linux, xPUD, for just the net. To bad no software to put a Linux browser on 9X? xPUD called from 9X?

I like 9X for the 100s or is it 1000s of games, and to keep a old system working well. I am 66.

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As far as we here know, there are no remaining "new" browsers that are supporting Windows 9x, paid or otherwise. :}

If Firefox 2.0.0.20 or Opera (10.63 I believe?) doesn't do the job, your best bet may be in install KernelEx and try to run later non-9x versions of Firefox.

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Agreed.

I mostly use the Pale Moon browser, a Firefox branch that is optimized specifically for Windows. To get started quickly and with good functionality, i would suggest v3.6.32, the final in the PM 3.x line (slightly more recent than the final FF 3.x v3.6.28). To use it, you must also install KernelEx (which allows *some* Win2k/XT-type programs to run under Win9x) beforehand. The major FF/PM 3.x issues seem to be printing and newer Java-version support.

In my experience, i'm able to access about 98% of the sites i visit without issue, 1% with minor rendering issues, and 1% with major issues (i.e., non-functional). But i don't visit a lot of Java sites, and every individual has their own unique needs.

Pale Moon archive:

http://www.palemoon.org/archived.shtml

KernelEx:

http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/

You might also need to install the Shockwave Flash plugin if you want to view FLV movie clips. But that's a whole 'nuther story as they say....

The main KEx browser alternative seems to be Opera 12.02, which i haven't spent a lot of time with, but which some folks speak highly of -- i'm sure they'll chime in! Others have spoken favorably of K-Meleon which uses the same rendering engine as FF and PM and is highly configurable. There also seem to be some newer upstarts in development, but at this point, they don't have the functionality of the major players.

A final thought might be to consider screen size. Could your current browser be choking when trying to fit a complex high-density page on a smallish screen? (I know theoretically it shouldn't make a difference, but....) I've gotten better results moving from a 15" -> 17" -> 18" 4:3 display. (I personally/aesthetically/perceptually don't care for widescreens.) :)

Good luck....

- Doug B.

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Back when win 98 and puppy linux were new someone had puppy as a icon on win 98 screen.

Click the icon and thru ms dos puppy ran. When you left puppy it went back to 98.

Now there is Browser Linux 501 which is only a browser, firefox 5, and all it needs to

watch movies, up and down load, play music, get at all drives, dvd, HD, floppy, and look all

over the net, it has. I do not know software but on puppy forum I would like someone add what it takes

to get browser linux as a icon on win 98. This to me would be like kernal ex add on to run xp stuff, this would run

a linux browser.

I have 98se on my etower 633id with kernal ex and know how that runs. I did a boot of browser linux

to see how it runs.

Way faster, better browser, so I would like to have it as a icon on 98

I just tried palemoon, it works fine so far, thanks for info.

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I use Opera 10.63, the last known 98se version. No need for KernelEx, it runs natively kernel-wise. Before that I was natively using Firefox 2.0.0.20 (never tried 2.0.0.22-beta though) and subsequently K-Meleon 1.54. Firefox was a memory hog taking time to start-up. K-Meleon was faster, but it would freeze on java-scripts on some websites. You can disable javascript but then most of the website would not work. These issues would make you tear your hair out, especially when you're using some of my slower computers (400 MHz or so) with no more than 256mb system memory max, and surfing the net on 56k dial-up. Luckily I figured I would go back to Opera and found out about 10.63. Yes, 10.63 is dated a little, not much you can do, unless you use later versions of browsers using said KernelEx, but I say it's fixed a lot of these issues and so it works very well for me. For simple browsing/surfing, I have not gone back to anything else. And 10.63 is free (well, all Opera versions are free). Opera 9x works nicely too, just a little more dated. As far as watching movie clips in 10.63, like on Youtube, I don't have an answer, because being on dial-up, I can't really do that. :)

One important feature that 10.63 has (and all versions since) is "Opera Turbo", a sort of browsing accelerator. This helps compresses pictures, so they upload faster to your computer from the internet, sometimes 1.5 to 6 times faster than normal. Perfect for narrowband, like dial-up. People on broadband take this for granted, so if they ever get bumped back to dial-up without some sort of accelerator, they'll be in for a slow treat. Netzero, a dial-up internet service, also feature their own accelerator, but you have to pay like $5 more than their regular service.

Anyway, try 10.63, you can find it at opera.com .

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PupWin98 Puppy Linux® for Windows®98

"Puppy Linux runs outside Windows, starting from MS-DOS launched by an icon on your Windows desktop."

Looks promising, but cannot exit Linux and return to Windows without rebooting....

Edit:

The following Linux browsers become available however: Amaya, Arora, Chromium, Dillo, Dooble, ELinks, Web, Flock, Galeon, Google Chrome, Konqueror, Links, Lynx, Midori, Firefox, NetSurf, Opera, QupZilla, SeaMonkey, SlimBoat, w3m. [from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_browsers#Operating_system_support ]

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Since K-Meleon browser was mentioned in an earlier post, I thought I would make mention of a slightly newer version that JamesD released on July 3rd ... K-Meleon 1.6.0 Beta 2.6

He has been working as best he can on improving a few things ... I am no longer on Windows 98SE but when I made the move to XP last year I also had KernelEx installed at that time and I think you may need to have KernelEx installed for the KM 1.6.0 versions ... but I can't say for sure 100%.

Just thought I'd mention it here for anyone wanting to experiment ... it works great on most web sites with XP and JamesD himself lists Win 7 (32 bit) as his OS. I was mostly using K-Meleon with Windows 98SE and probably version K-Meleon 1.6.0 Beta 2.5 at that time along with K-Meleon 1.5.4 with JavaScript turned off ... I also use Proxomitron and sometimes have to put it on "Bypass" ... most of the time everything works OK with K-Meleon with no adjustments to JavaScript and Proxomitron but I know when I go to a few certain sites that I have to change a setting or two. I'm sorry but I can't be sure this slightly newer version will work with Windows 98SE but it may work ... for anyone wanting to give it a try.

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?1,125050,page=2

Re: Is K-Meleon Dead?

Posted by: JamesD

Date: July 03, 2013 06:45PM

K-Meleon 1.6.0 Beta 2.6

I have collected some new pieces and put them together as a new beta release for K-Meleon 1.6.0. The release is a 7-Zip so users can install in two ways. If you wish to have your profile in the same folder tree as the program, then you only have to make a folder, extract the files in 7z to that folder and run the executable named k-meleon. If you need your profile to be in your %APPDATA% folder then follow the same steps except prior to running k-meleon.exe you should delete the file named profile.ini which has 0 bytes.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1522294/K-Meleon1.6.0_Beta2dot6_en-US.7z

K-Meleon 1.6.0 beta 2.6 Win 7 (32 bit)

...

Add ... if you want K-Meleon to look more like IE 6 then change it to the Klassic skin under the Edit tab - Preferences ... if you would like to have a lighthouse throbber then this one was made for me by disrupted in Oct 2010 ... you just replace the regular KM throbber in the Klassic skin folder or whatever skin you want to use ... the default skin is more modern but I prefer the older Klassic skin look or the older IE 6 look ... once you get all the settings adjusted to your liking ... it took me awhile to figure some settings out with help from the KM forum. As you progress, save the KM folder somewhere till you get the final product that you like and save that somewhere to add to other computers in the future, if you want to.

Lighthouse throbber ...

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?10,110908

...

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K-Meleon 1.6.0 beta 2 requires KernelEx in W2K mode.

I'm downloading beta 2.6 now and will report back.

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I have palemoon on win 98se and browser linux 501 on system as 2nd choice.

The linux lets me place any downloads in the 98se section. The home screen for the linux

allows your search to be put into 15 different search engines.

SPEED, PALEMOON 10 MEG BITS PER SEC, BROWSER LINUX 35 MEG BITS PER SEC.

Still would like a software person to make something like KERNELEX but for linux, (linuxex)

that would allow Linux browsers to be added to 98se.

A extra, the linux 1st stores in a ram drive, I need to move what I want to the win hard drive.

All else goes away when system turned off. I am not a software person but dont that mean

if a virus gets into the ram drive, at shut down its gone?

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Tried the CHROME browser linux. I do not like, dont really know how to use it?

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I am using k-meleon. Never used it before. Its portable, does not show up as installed? I used a shortcut on screen to fire it up?

Can it be installed? Different skins?

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I am using k-meleon. Never used it before. Its portable, does not show up as installed? I used a shortcut on screen to fire it up?

Can it be installed? Different skins?

Yes and yes. Which version of KMeleon? I'm not sure how you're installing it if you're having problems. I've loaded different skins in the past.

However, after using K-Meleon 1.54 recently for 2-3 years, I was flustered with it because it couldn't handle javascript very well, among other little issues. I went back to Opera, running version 10.63, the last version for native 98SE, as I mentioned in an earlier post. I have never gone back to K-Meleon, even the later beta versions.

Try Opera 10.63 instead, it's much more stable (and relatively newer) than K-Meleon 1.54... and most importantly, you don't even need KernelEX...

http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=qnx&ver=10.63&os=qnx&ver=10.63

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Taken from above,

(from jumper) K-Meleon 1.6.0 beta 2 requires KernelEx in W2K mode.

I'm downloading beta 2.6 now and will report back.

(from duffy98) https://dl.dropboxus...a2dot6_en-US.7z

K-Meleon 1.6.0 beta 2.6 Win 7 (32 bit)

K-Meleon was in a zip file. I did the unzip to a folder and in the folder was a K-Meleon EXEC.

Did a short cut to that file on my sys screen and it pops up with no install, It runs with no install and goes away when you shut it down. They call that a portable program dont they? Or is it mobile?

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I stoped using K-Meleon because while on this site it crashed and so did this site for a while, SORRY.

I don't know which started the crash?

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Didn't realize anyone had been posting about K-Meleon since I last posted about the new K-Meleon 1.6.0 Beta 2.6 version. That version only comes as a zip portable version, as far I know. There is an installer version and portable version for :

K-Meleon 1.6.0 Beta2 (2010-12-12)

* Full packages with installer

o http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/gfx/countries_flags/us.png English | Check MD5

* 7zip portable packages without installer

o http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/gfx/countries_flags/us.png English | Check MD5

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/

I don't think there would be a newer version with an installer ... I don't remember seeing any but there could be one around. It seems that the newer versions are released as a portable version ... but I can't say 100% that that is right. You could ask JamesD at the KM forum.

Skins can be changed under Preferences ...

How to change skins.

The following gives you a quick reference to how to go about changing to a newly downloaded skin or theme for K-Meleon.

* Skins are folders contained in your "C:\Program Files\K-Meleon\skins" folder.

* Skins are stored in zip format. You will need an archiver to unzip the skins/themes.

* Extract the files into "C:\Program Files\K-Meleon\skins".

* Open K-Meleon, go to Edit>Preferences>GUI Appearance and select a skin from the list.

* Select "Show Toolbar Background". Click OK.

* Exit K-Meleon and loader if used. You will restart K-Meleon with you new skin.

Note: Some older skins from v0.7 may not show the background image. Rename the image to

back.bmp for use in K-Meleon v0.9

... in the skins folder there should be several skins already there and there are some older skins at this link ... I think some should work with v1.6 ... if I understand what you were asking. I also thought there were more skins but I can't find them, if they exist. My KM v1.6 doesn't crash too much and never at this site ... but I am using Windows XP these days. I mostly go around with JavaScript off but need to put it on sometimes ... I also run Proxomitron with the Sidki filter set ... also used it with Windows 98 before I switched to XP.

http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/wiki/K-MeleonThemes15

Proxomitron - Sidki Filter set (under Proxomitron Config Sets)

http://prxbx.com/forums/

HTH

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Today I am trying some more portable browsers with flash.

I am on Firefox 3.5.3

So far its ok, any bad stuff I will run into?

How does this portable stuff work?

It does not care its on 98se?

ANY LIST OF PORTABLE PROGRAMS THAT WORK ON 98SE?

Can a super new portable browser work on 98SE?

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"Portable software" means software designed/modified to be as independent from your physical computer as possible, as many software dependencies as possible are kept local with respect to the executing program in its physical directory structure. So for example, if it is ran from a flash drive the dependencies and saved settings are kept there with it, not leaving footprints on any "host" machine that the flashdrive is used in ( in settings files or the registry or placing its own system files into the host ).

Naturally there are dependencies to an operating system that cannot be portable, the API that the software requires is expected to be present in the host operating system, and if software is written to be more neutral or version agnostic ( Windows "platform" based based rather than Windowws "version" based ) then you have a better chance of it working in older operating systems.

But Microsoft has been busy destroying the concept of a generic Windows "platform" for a very long time ( heavily since Vista, but also some examples from even earlier ) and they have been doing this by adding and promoting new features to new versions of Windows that when implemented by the software author ( usually through the development tools ) makes him a party to planned obsolescence wittingly or unwittingly. Microsoft also deprecates features of older operating systems that breaks existing older software when used on newer Windows, for example HLP files and CHM files and so on.

For a new browser to work on Win9x, portable or not, it must use only Windows APIs present on the entire Windows platform from then to now. In this day and age it means they would have to author the software in a tool/IDE/compiler that respects that, Visual Studio up to version 6 or so, or Delphi to around 2006 ( I believe ).

Then there is the 16-32-64 bit conundrum, another advancement that Microsoft capitalized on in order to further its planned obsolescence. 64-bit Windows drops 16-bit support killing any software that has 16-bit API functions. And since 64-bit support is obviously not present on 32-bit Windows it means that for software using the Microsoft designed 64-bit methodology there is no graceful fallback to 32-bit APIs which are obviously present. This was intentional. It pushed the workload requirement to the author to be responsible enough to compile a separate version for 32-bit Windows if they chose to, and obviously not everyone will choose to. Planned obsolescence by capitalizing on the laziness of the software author.

At the chip level, Intel has implemented the ( ironically ) AMD designed x64 extension so that physically a CPU is perfectly backwards compatible to 16-32-64 bit operations, it is the operating system that is broken, again, by design. In a perfect world the compiler would generate code that falls back to whatever level hardware is present. No 64-bit registers? Then use 32. No MMX or SSE or SSE4 or whatever? Then fallback to previous. No Direct-X 11? use 10, etc ( or OpenGL ). This is the biggest failing Microsoft has perpetrated. Their development tools, and those of me-too 3rd parties are evolving into "today-only" tools, again, by design. Thus, Windows is hardly a platform these days, but is instead a moment in time. It used to be you would break down software by Mac or Windows or something else ( "this requires Windows" ), and this is exactly how Microsoft became huge and successful with Win3x and the promise of a standardized "Windows platform". And it carried through the Win9x years. Then they became evil. "This software requires Vista 64". Software that requires a specific version of an operating system is well on the road to the walled garden model. It lets Microsoft dictate what people run on their own computers even though that computer contains a CPU capable of running almost anything ever written in the x86 universe back from 1980 to 2013. Rant over ( for now ).

Oh, yes there are many sites for "portable" software. These are our modern heroes in my opinion. I'll let others give their own suggestions but for starters visit: PortableApps.com and PortableFreeware.com.

EDIT: typo

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