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Win98 from CD loads config from HD installed Windows
Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:13 PM
I 've prepared Windows 98 SE bootable CD from different methods, including WinBuilder, Hiren's method and no-emulation way and fdd emulation way.
BUT in all I got the same problem. All iso works perfectly in VM (I use Virtual Box). But whenever I burnt the iso on CD and boot the PC with that, Windows 98 always loads its settings/configuration from my already installed Windows98 on C Partition.
For, example it tells that LMOUHID.VXD is in your system.ini and bla bla and then it shuts down.
It demands all those drivers which are specifically included in the C:\Windows\System.ini or the registry of HD-installed Windows.
I have tried all tries known to me, including, Path in MSDOS.SYS, set path, even I hex-edited all the files on the Boot-CD to change C:\ to X:\.
Alas, it always loads its system.ini from C.
What to do? I think this is the main hurdle. On systems with no OS installed, it runs OK. but for the maintenance and repair purpose, I was never able to run a windows98 bootable CD because of the above-mentioned facts.
I also see that nearly all the screen-shots posted by the author or testers, are taken when they ran it in a vm.
Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:05 PM
We cannot help you with anything hirens related as it is illegal and considered warez.
See forum rules especially #1
» No Illegal/Copyrighted Software Discussion
1.a This is not a warez site! Links/Requests to warez and/or illegal material (e.g., cracks, serials, etc.) will not be tolerated. Discussion of circumventing WGA/activation/timebombs/license restrictions, use of keygens, or any other illegal activity, including, but not limited to, requests for help where pirated software is being used or being discussed, will also not be tolerated. Offenders may be banned on first violation.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:49 AM
hey, you totally misunderstood my question.
We cannot help you with anything hirens related as it is illegal and considered warez.
I've read the msfn rules and i know that this site, and me too, donot support any kind of illegal activity.
I DID NOT ASK ABOUT ANYTHING ABOUT HIREN BOOT CD
All I asked that I have used various methods, in my home, using my legitimate old windows 98 SE CD, to make a bootable Windows 98 Live CD. I also mentioned that I used all available method's of CREATING A BOOTABLE WIN98 CD. I did not ask about any help how to use / burn / make the Hiren CD.
Lol you were in a hurry so don't rush at me now.
All I ask to get some info / help on the issue i am facing.
OK, I rephrase my question.
I am trying and testing Winbuilder's Windows 98 Live CD project. I also used other methods of creating BOOTABLE CD, using syslinux, grub and etc. The issue is that all works OK in VM, but when I boot the CD, Windows 98 always tries to load system.ini and registry from my ALREADY-INSTALLED Windows 98 on Hard disk's C partition.
This is the issue.
Just read my post again, who is requesting for illegal material? All I ask is the issue mentioned above. I dont like Hiren CD, and I want to make my own legitimized Windows 98 CD with my own Original Windows 98 SE legitimized CD.
1.a This is not a warez site! Links/Requests to warez and/or illegal material (e.g., cracks, serials, etc.) will not be tolerated.
If you now understand what I am asking , please help, otherwise dont accuse me for things I never did.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:26 AM
See if you can use Letter Assigner to give the "resident" Windows 98 install volume a different drive letter from C:\ :
But it seems to me that there is *something* "wrong" in the way you build your "bootable Windows 98 CD", at the time there were not such issues that I can remember and I doubt - no offence intended - that you managed to build a working 98 from the latest Winbuilder project, as that is seemingly "botched" :
The original thread on MSFN:
Latest version is here (but it has seemingly "issues")
(you'll need some patience to load pages on reboot.pro, since it is a bit hectic, currently).
Besides the "casual" reference to WAREZ, you do not provide enough details on the methods you attempted using, if you need help in troubleshooting you will need to better detail what you did, we do need the "standard litany":
Please consider how summing up in writing the sequence of actions you performed up to smallest detail often helps in making clear to you which steps/actions may be involved in the issue and/or highlight those that you did slightly differently from the guide(s) you were following and/or draw you attention to those steps that you performed just following the guide(s) but that you didn't fully understand the reason for.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:50 PM
Hello and thanks jaclaz,
first i need to say THANKS YOU, I have read a numbers of your informative posts and am impressed with your knowledge.
I admit I am not a man of pen as I still on my way of learning english language, and could not put my question in proper words and details, so here I try to put some details.
I also say sorry to Kelsenellenelvian that my dipersed words made him not to understand my question and I also sorry to use the word "HI**N". I am not a programmer nor an IT specialist, but simply a hobbyist. Hit-n-try is my first and last resort. I made many bootable cds ,mainly DOS-Tool CD, multi-iso-boot DC's using ISOLINUX and BCDWizard etc. Recently I tried Bart PE and Win builder with success only for WinXP. Win98 failed me.
- WinBuilder Version: 22.214.171.124 (77.101) (obtained by right clicking > properties > version)
Windows 98 SE Live Project details:
- downloaded from: http://reboot.pro/to...-on-windows-98/
- Posted by BeatZero
My Working Environment:
Active system: Windows XP Professional SP2 (i.e., I run WinBuidler Projest on it).
System: Multi-boot: 1- Windows 98 SE on C (1st partition of 1st HDD).
(Memory capped to 1GB - Kernelx installed)
2- Windows XP Professional SP2 on D (1st partition od 2nd HDD).
3- Windows XP Professional for Gaming on F (3rd partition od 1st HDD).
Downloaded, extracted, I did not do any changes to the project setting except to set path to w98 CD as source.
Started winbuilder, just looked at each tree, and started the project. The ISO created, tested in VirtualBox, it
ran smoothly with no error.
Burnt the ISO on a CD-RW, rebooted, system booted, saw Windows 98 SE logo, the files extracting from Y (CD Drive) to the RamDrive (X), then it asked things like that:
windows could not find the device driver xxxxx.vxd referenced in system.ini or registry (bla bla), if you deleted the file bla bla...
when I pressed any key, Windows complaints for another driver, and third time it asked for LMOUHID.VXD, this time windows does not like pressing any key and shut downs.
When I analyzed the files, ini's and the registry , this LMOUHID.VXD file is not present there, nor it is referenced in registry or system.ini, it is specifically present on my C partition already installed Windows 98 and it is for my Logitech mouse from setpoint.
I again started analyzing the files in ISO...for all paths references, eg,
checked these files for any reference to C Partition: MSDOS.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, CONFIG.SYS, SYSTEM.INI, WIN.INI
Nothing found wrong. Then I deleted the line in autoexec.bat which invokes a copy command for a file "START.BAT" because this files was not found in the iso, rebuild the iso, reboot, problem remains the same.
Then I thought that since GRLDR is used for this no-emulation CD and the boot.ima is hooke and maped in memory, so I thought may be this is the cause, as in my past experience, booting via syslinux or GNU Grub, loads from hd instead of CD (later i found i was wrong caz using wrong things in menu.lst), so I planned to make a floppy-emulation bootable CD, that i am used to make for more than 5 years.
so I created bootable CD with a working 2.88 mb floppy image, edited config.sys for a menu entry for Windows98 and autoexec for its label and added all commands from the iso's autoexec.bat under this label. The reult was same, win98 booted but started asking for device drivers which are on C:\ windows, then shuts down.
I hope I might have written all details, but as I said I am not a man of pen, so there might be some things missing, please ask whatever you want I will try to answer in detail.
Noe from your kind reply, what I understand is that:
- The latest Winbuilder project is botched (I used a dictionary to get the meaning of "botched").
- Original thread site is: http://www.msfn.org/...project-update/
- Latest version of it is at: http://reboot.pro/to...-on-windows-98/
Yes you are right , I downloaded it from the latest project site that is "botched".
So now I am going to download all from the original thread, and will post the results here.
I really thank you guys from replying my and showing will to help me, and I apologized for any casual use of "WAREZ". Truly speaking I did not know that giving ref to HI**N is warez activity.
I dont like ready-made boot-able Cd's so using HI**N is out of question, I like to create my own because it is my hobby to play with computer. I studied HI**N cd only to understand the method that was used to make it bootable, besides, I have a number of botable CD's ISO just to understand the mechanism, again i need to state that these I So's are mainly from antivirus software vendors like kaspersky rescue, F-Prot etc or from freeware software like memtest+ ISO, etc.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:52 PM
Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:45 PM
Yes, the original project worked (at the time).
BeatZero cites WInbuilder version 075.Beta 5j (but possibly that is in order to run the project from within Windows 98).
The *new* version of the project, starting from here:
has been reported as having some issues.
The OP abandoned the game early, but I remember that - compared to the "original" project that was extremely simple - I noticed at the time an overaly of complexity (unneeded) in the new version.
Re-reading that thread, it seems to me how half if not all the issues were with drive lettering of the one or other kind.
The "old" project is NOT online anymore, but you may be able to get it through the wayback machine:
If you cannot, just say so, and I'll see if I can find a copy of it and re-post it *somewhere*.
Posted 17 August 2013 - 09:21 PM
Posted 18 August 2013 - 02:16 PM
Posted 19 August 2013 - 03:48 AM
Are you sure that setup is involved in any way in the project?
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