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For nearly thirty six hours I have been attempting to reinstall my Windows XP Pro following advice I have gleaned from wherever and always hitting the buffers on Windows Update.  You will not have seen me on here before (This is my first entry) and so I'll say Hi to you all.   The good news is I have discovered how to do a proper XP Pro install and get Windows Update working as it should.   And it will not take longer than about three hours from bare hard drive to fully functional and up to date XP.

 

Firstly I used a slipstreamed XP + SP3 nlite CD which I have used before.  Consequence - no update.   I tried this on two different machines with the same outcome.   I then tried XP+SP2 (my original MS CD) with even dire consequence since I couldn't get on the Windows Update site come what may.   I spent some time studying the MS website and going backwards and forwards between people who seem to have made it work.   

 

And then I staggered upon three little standalone programs from Microsoft called  WindowsXP-KB932823-V3-x86-ENU.exe, WindowsInstaller-KB893803-V2-x86.exe, and WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe all on the MS site but perhaps not where you think they should be when Windows Update hangs (and believe me I have left it for hours with no result).  Certainly MS do not point you to the right place with all those FIxit things doing bits but not the whole job.   You need to download the three named files and save them on a USB drive or stick (they are small) before you start your install.   Forget your slipstreamed SP3 and get your bog standard SP2 MS disk and install.  Choose not to update Windows Automatically when asked. Once installed then get the drivers for mobo, usb, graphics, sound etc loaded and working.    Make sure Windows is stable but shutting down and restarting a couple of times.   Now install the three files from the USB drive or stick, they should confirm they are installed.   Go to Windows Update and it'll work straight away by giving you all the updates (at speed) until SP3.  Install SP3.  At this stage you will need help from the WSUS Offline Update since the installation will still cause SP3 to hang.   WSUS works very effectively when you choose to install IE8 and XP legacy (which is on the last tab) and will bring your machine up to early November 2013, but, better still you will, if you turn Windows to automatic updates, see that it works as well and at superspeed.  Turn Windows Update off again until WSUS finishes installing.   When WSUS has done turn Windows Update on and schedule the hour just after present time and watch as automatic updates fire away.

 

Now of course you could slipstream a disk with the three files on it at SP2 stage and then move to SP3 but you'll still need the help of WSUS to get Windows moving on updates again.  WSUS is a little quaint to use but it downloads, verifies and installs fast in two separate stages.  It also reboots automatically if you tell it to so you can leave it to do its business.

 

I hope this is an option some people will try, since you folk tried hard to help me and this is the best way I can repay.   My XP has never sung sweeter so MS can go.......




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I have now tested the above on two computers and it worked on both but I have been able to load IE8 to allow Windows Update to run post sp3 install.

 

To summarise this solution:

 

1. Obtain copies of the three files listed in my original post and save them to an external drive or usb memory stick.

    Windows XP-KB932823-V3-x86-ENU.exe, WindowsInstaller-KB893803-V2-x86.exe, and WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe

2. Install XP with original MS XP up to SP2 disk.

3. Load drivers for motherboard, sound, graphics etc and ensure Windows is stable.  Turn automatic updates off.

4. Install the three files in 1) above.

5. Run Windows update manually in Express mode until (and including) SP3 (Note: the updates between SP2 and SP3 are critical) .

6. Obtain upgrade copy of IE8 from MS website (it may resist at first but persist and you'll get to the correct upgrade dialogue).

7. Turn on automatic updates and obtain remaining updates to date.

8.  Set daily updates at xxxx time to check the auto updating works.

9.  Your XP install will now work fine.

 



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Aren't these three updates contained in SP3?


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FYI - The version mentioned in the thread "7.6.7600.257" is the latest Windows Update Agent. The one you mentioned "WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe" is the older one.

 

Have you seen this before? http://xdot.tk/updates.html

 

Edit - The first two listed -

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932823 <-in SP3

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893803 <-apparently not in SP3 (just a newer Installer)

 

Bottom line,

1 - Slip SP3, burn to CD

2 - Install to HDD (or wherever) while disconnected from Internet (or disable AU)

3 - Install Drivers (if not slipstreamed)

4 - Install latest WU (the LATEST one!)

5 - Go to WU

 

IE7 or IE8 work just fine. IE8 is Recommended and included in the link I gave above fro a Complete Slipstream using nLite.

 

Sir, you have confused the initial problem with "test scenarios". The OLDER WUA included in SP3 will not work as expected and has caused problems, hence the suggestion to use the Newer Package, OR the one you used. The "fixes" you mention (other than WUA) are not relevant. ALWAYS slipstream at minimum the SP3 as a matter of common sense.

 

List of SP3 Included Fixes -

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946480


Edited by submix8c, 17 December 2013 - 04:05 PM.

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Myself never had any problem with Windows Updates (I have an OEM version of Windows XP SP2 though - which I patch with SP3 and IE8 before updating, I don't know if it can make any difference). The only problem is that when I select "Custom" instead of "Critical" update the Windows Update Agent finds the critical updates and then - as I discovered by checking the related logs - it does all the job from the begining to find the critical updates - again - and the optional ones! That of course even doubles the required time. Does anyone know why it happens and if it can be avoided?


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Review -X- (xdot) link above. Note the "Required For Windows Update". Also note you *may* need the IE8 Updates as well, since it has flaws. See Change Log at bottom for notations and/or look for anything prefixed with "IE8-" in the High Priority list.

 

Hilariously, the http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949104 now provides "Fix-Its" instead of the *old* WUA Links.

 

This is the *old* version (newer than the one in XP SP3) "WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe" (v7.6.7600.243) whereas (again) the one "constructed" by the UDC Package is THE latest (v7.6.7600.256).


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Isn't the latest actually v. 7.6.7600.257 ? dubbio.gif



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(wake me after i dump this failed pc sitting next to me...)


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As far as I know, Microsoft issued a botched security update that caused SVCHOST CPU usage to spike to 100%.

 

Installing Update KB2879017 fixed this problem. :)

 

http://www.microsoft...s.aspx?id=40390

Usually I won't reply to any help I found in forums, but this completely solved my problem with updating XP. Now, it took a little time, maybe an hour, after I insatalled the fix and let update run before it finally found updates. Updated it then had to reboot. After reboot ran update again and within a minute it was done scanning with no more updates to be found. Ran it one more time for custom updates and found a few more. Not sure if it made a difference or not but I turned off automatic updates.

Thanks.....



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Hello to all and may I wish you all a very happy new year.

 

I am new to these forums so please advise if I make mistakes here:)

Have been using the UDC packages often in the last few years and appreciate the time and effort that goes in to making it all available to the public,, Thank you:)

 

Last few months I have been having issues with  the UDC files:

 Randomly it downloads as a corrupt file and won't extract,

When I can extract successfully and click the batch file to begin, it opens a window asking for confirmation: Type Y to agree.

On doing this this page closes and nothing happens?

 

I believe that it is probably me doing something wrong as age and memory loss is catching up fast.

May I ask that someone point me in the right direction so that once more I may be able to update my XP disc?

Thank you again:)



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You probably have some hard drive corruption. Click start, run, type chkdsk /r and then press enter. A black cmd window will pop up asking you....

 

Chkdsk cannot run because the volume is in use by another
process.  Would you like to schedule this volume to be
checked the next time the system restarts? (Y/N)

 

Type a Y and press enter. Reboot, It will perform a thorough disk check. If it find's any errors, I would run it again until it does not. Depending on the size of your OS partition this may take hours or minutes so be prepared.

 

Redownload the UDC file and try again. It's MD5 checksum is F74506FE2961152CE1678071C1B0035F. This is for the UDC-12.12.13.zip UDC. You can verify this with HashCalc 2.02.


Download all Windows XP Post SP3 High-Priority Updates with a simple double click @ xdot.tk post-12166-0-42859000-1399044129.png ]
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Cannot be hard drive corruption as this is failing on multiple PC's, some XP and Win7 & ha been like this for a few months.

Just tried downloading the UDC 12.12.13 and on trying to extract get: File is unknown or damaged error?

Tried both winrar & winzip to extract but both fail?

Using a PC with XP atm.

 

Even when the extraction is successful and I open the batch file it takes me to the confirmation screen where I type Y and the page just closes?

Sorry to be a niusance?



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Maybe your ISP is caching a corrupt versions then. It works fine on my end. Check the MD5 and let us know if it matches.


Download all Windows XP Post SP3 High-Priority Updates with a simple double click @ xdot.tk post-12166-0-42859000-1399044129.png ]
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Sorry havent a clue on checking the MD5, just fired up a customers laptop (XP) and tried downloading UDC 12.12.13 again.

On trying to extract using winrar it had error again?



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Customer's? Sorry but nLite is for personal use only.


Download all Windows XP Post SP3 High-Priority Updates with a simple double click @ xdot.tk post-12166-0-42859000-1399044129.png ]
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To all those commenting on my offered solution here are my views on same:

 

Slipstreaming SP3* is the issue causing Windows Update to hang/freeze as I found to my concern, and to the concern of countless others in numerous articles I have read on this issue, not just on this thread.  Also the three files, I mention which have now been subjected to irrelevant analysis,  are those recommended by Microsoft in getting SP3 to work as it is supposed to.  Slipstreaming SP3 is not the same as installing SP2 and then running Windows update from there, since there are several updates between SP2 and SP3 which are differently implemented in SP3 slipstream.   If you install SP2 and then install the pre-downloaded SP3 file then Wndows Update will still end up stalling, and it makes no difference what the staus of the Windows Update flag is - turned on or off it is still the same - the update mechanism will attempt to roll and then stall.  And the problem in sorting this out has been made more difficult by Microsoft's amending of, and in some cases removal of, articles relevant to Windows Update in XP as April 2014 gets ever closer. 

 

The crucial problem seems to me to be overcoming the inability of IE6 to provide access to Windows updates without using the three files mentioned, and this is what happens if you simply install slipstreamed SP3.   You are left with IE8 and a damaged update module   During my travails on the Microsoft website I did find a mention of the whole subject of damaged update modules in the knowledgebase but the original solutions had been, as someone else has noted, scrubbed and replaced with the later Fix-its which are not fit for purpose.

 

My method of overcoming is straightforward, reliable and reasonably quick, and has now worked on six different machines which were all having this update freeze issue from slipstreamed SP3.  My method may not be the only route to success but most of the comments after my posting just repeat issues which do not overcome the actual problem people are encountering i.e. a frozen Windows update module which is not going to get repaired.   We all want what works, not what some nerd says should work.  Surely that is the whole point of this thread isn't it?

 

 

Happy New Year to you all.

 

* Please note that, in the past, I have used slipstreamed SP3 several times with complete success.  The issue is changes Mircosoft have made to Windows Update in preparation for closing down support to XP.   There is no specific advice from Microsoft relevant to the freezing which occurs only that it is under investigation.



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@perkypops - you didn't notice right at the TOP of -X- UDC?


Needed for Windows Update Filename / Download Link Bulletin KB Article Description WindowsXP-KB892130-ENU-x86.exe   KB892130 Windows Genuine Advantage Validation v1.9.42.0 WindowsUpdateAgent7.6.7600.256.cab [1]   KB949104 Windows Update Engine v7.6.7600.256 WindowsXP-KB898461-x86-ENU.exe   KB898461 Installs a permanent copy of the Package Installer for Windows
BTW, I guess that "nerd" crack was a compliment. Thanks! :w00t:

 

1 - An Xp with SP3 Integrated

2 - Install the above

3 - Go to WU and it just "works"

 

You definitely are confused. :blink: There is absolutely NO problem as you keep suggesting. And AGAIN, using UDC will have a Fully Integrated (including IE8) CD. It's even possible to integrate WMP11. ;) In addition, you suggest that someone who has an Official MS with SP3 Pre-Integrated go out and get an XP w/SP2 because you suggest that Integrated SP3 will "cause problems"? Seriously? :no:


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This is a rather painfull experience I had trying to update my sister's laptop (AMD Turion X2, Windows XP SP3 recently installed). I firstly tried without IE8 - she didn't want it. Windows Update seemed to be working in terms of CPU usage and disc access but after 18,5 hours! I quited. I installed IE8, I tried again and after 2 hours I quited again. I downloaded and installed - with problems, I had to extract with 7-zip and copy the wuweb.dll file manually - the latest Windows Update Agent. This time Windows Update worked untill the detection of the available updates. I clicked on "Install updates" and it couldn't download the files - I tried thee times. I thought that something strange is going on. The only unfamilliar thing was Mobogenie - software for Android phones. I uninstalled Mobogenie and everything worked without problems. Maybe this program should be detected and treated as a virus?


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@submix8c

 

On the MSN installation I mentioned slipstreamed SP3, which implies the user has an SP2 XP disc, so please read carefully.

 

I have used a slipstreamed disc I have had since SP3 was released for installing XP successfully many times over, the last being March 2013.  The issue with updates hanging is first mentioned in October/November 2013 and no amount of patronage will overcome the difficulties lots of users have had with this problem i.e. use a slipstreamed SP3 disc and you'll get a freeze.   I have even tried it with an MS SP3 disc with the same outcome - Windows update is frozen.   Installing the files mentioned achieved nothing (one of the fixits can do it for you and you get zilch).   Microsoft have admitted to this problem (and SP3 new installs).   Isn't that enough for you?

 

I am confused, battered and bewildered by the disrespect shown by people on this site.   So please do not expect to find me here again.

 

 



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This must be what you've been going on about.

 

http://www.dslreport...ll-won-t-update

 

Google

xp "windows update" hangs

Post #12 proves clean install + the latest Windows Update Agent.


Edited by submix8c, 08 January 2014 - 05:30 PM.

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Leave it; ... nerd. :D



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It seems the MS January updates are mostly important for Windows XP ...

 

January 2014 Patch Tuesday kicks the year off with four 'Important' security updates

 

Written by Ron on January 13, 2014

 

http://www.winbeta.o...ecurity-updates

 

The January 2014 Patch Tuesday is upon us, taking place January 14th, and we are expecting to see four Important updates and zero Critical updates for various Microsoft software products. While this month's Patch Tuesday remains light, the most notable update will be for Windows XP.

 

Windows RT and Windows 8.1 will not be receiving any security updates this time around, as the primary focus for the January 2014 Patch Tuesday will be for Windows XP, Server 2003, Office, and Dynamics AX. Windows 7, on the other hand, does receive one Important update, addressing elevation of privileges. This month's Patch Tuesday is set to take place Tuesday, January 14th.

 

I just took a couple of paragraphs out of the small article.

 

also ...

 

Microsoft Expected to Patch XP Zero Day on Patch Tuesday

 

http://threatpost.co...-tuesday/103543

 

Microsoft announced Thursday that it plans to release four bulletins next week as part of the year’s first batch of Patch Tuesday security updates, none of which are rated critical.

 

Despite the relatively light load, the patches do address a zero-day vulnerability in Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 made public in early November. Hackers were actively exploiting the flaw in the ND Proxy driver that manages Microsoft’s Telephony API on XP via infected PDF attachments. Exploits work only in conjunction with an Adobe Reader vulnerability that has since been patched.

 

found a little more XP news ...

 

Microsoft preparing urgent patch to secure Windows XP as end-of-support draws close

 

tech2 News Staff /  13 Jan 2014

 

http://tech.firstpos...-xp-208380.html

 

Microsoft is working on a patch for the Windows XP that will be released on Patch Tuesday to avoid attackers from completely taking over the affected computers, reports PCWorld.

 

Late in November, Microsoft has issued a security advisory about the discovery of vulnerability in a kernel component of its Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. Symantec now reveals in a blog post that the attacks have been active since the beginning of November. It arrives as a malicious PDF file with names such as syria15.10.pdf or Note_№107-41D.pdf.

 

The blog post further says that “successful exploits will result in complete compromise of affected computers and patching of XP will make it less vulnerable.” The urgency for patching of XP comes as a result of Microsoft’s decision to end support to XP in April. It is in April at the Build conference that the company also plans to reveal the vision for its upcoming Threshold aka Windows 9 platform, which is likely to start shipping in April 2015.


Edited by duffy98, 14 January 2014 - 07:34 AM.





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