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Tripredacus

Note about updating to Windows 8.1 from the Store

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The Windows 8.1 Update will back some files up during the upgrade process. It creates a Windows.old and will backup (at least) these folders:

- Perflogs

- Program Files

- Program Files (x86) *

- Users

- Windows

* if using a 64bit OS

So if you are using a small SSD, or are low on disk space, verify that you have enough free space for Windows to back up these folders or else the upgrade may fail with an error. I do not believe that the update verifies enough free space is available for the backup prior to making that backup and attempting to perform the upgrade. :rolleyes:

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For future reference: is signing up for a Microsoft Account and then going through the Windows Store the ONLY way that a Windows 8 user can change over to 8.1? Once you have 8, is there a legit way to move from 8 to 8.1 without opening an MS account?

I know someone who, like me, has successfully avoided getting a Microsoft account all these years. But he did buy a Win8 machine, now he's asking if he can get 8.1 without an MS account the same way you can visit the appropriate MS web pages to download updates and service packs for other versions of Windows, without having to enter any information.

--JorgeA

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Cool, I will pass it on.

The only note is that, according to the web page, this workaround will work only with retail (not OEM) versions of Windows 8. So presumably it wouldn't work on a factory-installed Win8 machine. But if the time comes to consider moving to 8.1, he can try it anyway, see what happens, and then decide what to do about getting that MS account.

Thanks very much!

--JorgeA

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The Windows 8 that you have, is it RT or a more normal type of Windows? I can test on Windows 8 x64 with that to see if it would work... presuming I can get to the download that is.

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It's "normal" Windows 8 (not RT) on his machine. x64.

It'll be great if you can test that, thank you!

--JorgeA

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I just deployed and activated. Downloading the update will take some time. Last week it took nearly 18 hours to download the 8.1 update...

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Whoa!! :o And is it true that they're NOT offering this on DVD?? :crazy:

Let me know what happens.

--JorgeA

Edited by JorgeA
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Well, if I may... I think it'd be perfectly legal (provided the intended use is on the same machine, but it wouldn't work anyway in case it's not, I guess) to acquire a *forensically sound* image of your activated Win 8 and save it away. Then update to 8.1 and acquire a second *forensically sound* image of your activated Win 8.1. From this point on, you can downgrade back to Win 8 and return to Win 8.1 at will, in about one hour each time, by just alternating which image you redeploy, and keepeng activation. As long as just one of the images is deployed while the other is just stored out, my understanding is that this ought to be perfectly legal in all aspects. It's just well above the ability of an average user to swap full system images back and forth, but when one knows how to do it right, one can *really* compare the two OS editions in the *exact same conditions* on bare metal true hardware. I don't want to hijack the thread, so I don't think any discussion here about what exactly is a *forensically sound* image should be allowed here (and so a new thread may be opened or one of the older ones may be resurrected for this purpose), but would feel bad if I didn't remind you of this possibility (which I do consider exciting) at this point.

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(which I do consider exciting) at this point.

Thank goodness de gustibus ....

:lol:

jaclaz

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:hello: ciao, jaclaz!

To be able to compare in the exact same hardware Win 8 and Win 8.1 is what I consider exciting, albeit in a purely philosophical way... :angel

I wouldn't myself touch either even with a 10 yard pole, :puke: I've drawn my personal line in the sand at Win 7... but that's me. :P

Fair comparisons, on the other hand, are always interesting, even exciting, and allow one to take better informed decisions. ;)

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you can get an ISO with your key:

http://pureinfotech.com/2013/10/19/download-windows-81-iso-using-windows-8-product-key/

and run setup.exe inside WIn8 and select upgrade to go from 8 to 8.1

Choosing to install Windows 8.1, then when entering a product key, its kinda picky. An OEM key from the BIOS returns an invalid key message. Another key I tried gave me a message "This product key cannot be used to install a retail version of Windows 8."

I would presume maybe the key it is looking for is either from a retail SKU or one from the OEM System Builder Kit.

EDIT: the website actually says that it only works with retail.

Edited by Tripredacus
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That's a bummer, but thanks a bunch for checking it out.

I guess this means there is in fact no way for a user with a machine that has Win8 pre-installed on it, to move to 8.1 without creating a Microsoft account.

--JorgeA

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I am seeing if there are any alternate ways. I wouldn't be surprised if MS hadn't considered that option before preparing the product for release.

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I wouldn't myself touch either even with a 10 yard pole, :puke: I've drawn my personal line in the sand at Win 7... but that's me. :P

Two or three OS releases late ;), but still acceptable :).

You can however use slightly shorter poles safely, in case:

http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/125258-nlite-and-microxp/#entry807225

Fair comparisons, on the other hand, are always interesting, even exciting, and allow one to take better informed decisions. ;)

Fair comparison of things that make sense tend to make sense. (but are often boring)

Fair (or unfair for that matter :)) comparisons of senseless things or comparisons between something that makes sense and something that doesn't, hardly so, but they can be fun alright.

Windows 8 (8.1) is probably the first (and hopefully last) OS targeted to Media Center that requires an additional license to play a DVD.... :whistle:

Like, you know, compare a QNX RTOS against a with a 8.1 Media Center edition and see which runs smoother on a PC with the minimum requirements:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/system-requirements

Back to topic/idea, there is no "real" reason to make a "forensic sound" image, one can make it a much simplified (and smaller) backup through a number of approaches, it could be an idea to start a new thread on how exactly this can be done. (still it will be mostly boring and non-exciting IMHO).

jaclaz

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Ok I have one answer so far. If you have purchase your computer and Windows 8 came pre-installed, or Windows 7 was pre-installed as part of the Downgrade Rights program, but are using a local account only, you can ask the computer manufacturer for a Windows 8.1 Recovery DVD. As I would expect anytime you go to an OEM to ask for recovery media, they usually charge for it.

I am still waiting to see what the case would be if the computer was purchased with the OEM System Builder Kit version of Windows 8 installed.

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Ahh, that's something at least. I will pass the information along, thank you!

--JorgeA

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For users seeking to upgrade Windows 8.0 to 8.1, rather than spend hours online connecting to the Microsoft Store to indivdually upgrade a Windows 8.0 machine to Windows 8.1, I finally downloaded Windows Pro 8.1 x64 from Microsoft, burned a DVD, launched setup from within all my existing Windows 8 machines, applied the appropriate KMS Client Setup Key to complete setup and upgraded all five of my Windows 8.0 PCs to Windows 8.1. After the install, I used the the slui.exe 3 command to change the temporary KMS keys to the valid original Windows 8.0 product activiation keys. Make sure your firewall is turned off as well as your anti-virus because there is a long list of mostly 3rd party security products that are modified or altered during the Windows 8.1 installation process that could interfere with activation. Also, most of the Windows 8.1 iso's floating around on Torrent sites are the "N" version that does not include Windows Media Player, so beware. See my post, here, about the other changes that Windows 8.1 makes to a Windows 8.0 installation.

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I finally downloaded Windows Pro 8.1 x64 from Microsoft,

How?

Most sites with available direct links to rtm isos died the day after release.

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I got a student to download a VL copy for me from his school account. But if you go to this site, look for the SHA-1 hash of the September RTM VL (x86 or x64) version of Windows 8.1, you can probably find a torrent match. These are the versions released in September to the MSDN Subscriber network. They are perfectly fine but I think Microsoft has released two or three updates since September to bring them up to par with Windows 8.1 version release in October. You can also try upgrading with your Windows 8.0 product key here. That never worked for me, but Neowin claims to have a workaround. I hope that helps.

Edited by lurk&jerk
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look for the SHA-1 hash of the September RTM VL (x86 or x64) version of Windows 8.1, you can probably find a torrent match.

Microsoft uses Torrents nowadays? :w00t:

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Microsoft uses Torrents nowadays? :w00t:

More than that.

Do business users have friends with school accounts @ MS? :w00t:

Will school principals be OK with this use of such school account and hardware/connection? :unsure:

jaclaz

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You do what you have to do to make the trains run on time :yes:

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Problem Chief:

Note: Keep in mind that this workaround only works with retail versions of the OS

Cheers and Reagrds

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