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Hello,

I know it was not officially supported but is there any way to make it work. This forum:http://www.computing...-in-/23266.html (scroll down a bit) said that Firefox 3.x would run on 95 and NT 4.0, but it turned out not to work (even after modifying the registry to say 5.0 instead of 4.0). Even Firefox 3.0.7 wouldn't work. They all install OK, but I get an error in a procedure entry point in the file GDI32.DLL. What I'm saying is, is there ANY possible way to run Firefox 3 on Windows NT 4.0?


Edited by ironman14, 16 December 2013 - 05:53 PM.



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FF3 is never mentioned. It says FF2.0.0.20. And the registry mod was for Flash8, not FF.

What is the text of the GDI32 error message?

Try running Dependency Walker or ImportPatcher on firefox.exe to see what API's NT4 might be missing.
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If you scroll down towards the bottom of the page, some user said that FF3 would run only if Active Desktop was enabled. As for the registry tweak, I thought if the Vm thought it was Windows 2000, it may work.

 

The text of the GDI32 error message is "The procedure entry point GdiGradientFill could not be located in the dynamic link library GDI32.DLL.

 

I originally thought Firefox 3 refused to run on NT 4.0 only because Nt 4.0 was old. I think I will actually stick to Opera 10.63 for web browsing for now.



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Scrolling all the way down to the bottom, I still see no replies by other users--just the one by sdfox7 himself. If you mean one of the "Related Solutions", please give that title and link. (Searching both the page and the page source for "Active Desktop" gets no hits.)

See two updates at:
Update: YouTube Functionality on NT 4.0
Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 is recommend; Post-Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6a Security Rollup Package is known to cause problems.

 
"GdiGradientFill could not be located in GDI32.dll" error on startup
Re: GradientFill vs GdiGradientFill (GDI32)

NT4 does not have GdiGradientFill. If you install (anything that installs) a W2K+ version of msimg32.dll, it will look for GdiGradientFill and fail. Uxtheme.dll is another likely culprit.

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I'm going to forget all about FF3 for now. However, when I use the Flash 9.0.47 plugin (latest for NT 4.0), Youtube and other flash sites cause the Opera 10.63 browser to crash. Do you know anything about that?
Thanks for your help, though.

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Didn't some of the early 3.0 alphas build without Cairo? If I remember correctly, Mozilla did some testing with non-Cairo builds so that Cairo could be brought up to par. Some of those might work.


Edited by Steven W, 19 December 2013 - 05:14 PM.


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I appreciate your response. However, where do I download one of these builds? Google isn't exactly my friend when I search "Firefox 3 non Cairo download".

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This is not my build, I resurrected it out of the Webarchive,  I've downloaded it and ran it, very briefly.  Didn't set off my security software. I've uploaded it to MediFire:

 

http://www.mediafire...n-2006051504.7z

 

You'll need 7zip, good luck  :)



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I tried what you told me, but there was a missing dll file. The text was complicated.
 
I actually now prefer to use Opera 10.63, only thing is Flash 9 crashes Opera whenever I load any Flash site, like Youtube. Any solutions/ideas?

UPDATE: It's not just Opera that crashes with Flash. K-Meleon and IE 6 also crash using adobe flash sites.

Edited by ironman14, 20 December 2013 - 05:55 AM.


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It occurs to me that the basics weren't covered here:

 

What processor/motherboard are you using?  What updates have you applied?

 

 

You may wish to check this out:

 

http://toastytech.co...95browsing.html  (I like the build of seamonkey there)

 

Might try flash 8, perhaps even spoofing it like folks did with version 7.



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I am using this in Microsoft Virtual PC, which emulates an Intel Pentium II processor, and an Intel 440BX chipset. For updates, I have installed Service Pack 6a,IE6 SP1 + updates and the IE6 update Rollup. I have not yet tried the Flash spoofer, but I plan on doing it soon.

UPDATE: I installed Flash 7.0.73, and Firefox 2.0.0.22pre (firefox 2.0.0.20 with some bug fixes). I applied the modifier to Flash 8, and although it doesn't crash anymore, it refuses to play, and when I right-click on the video, it says (About Macromedia Flash Player 7.) Perhaps youtube isn't fooled by the file anymore.

UPDATE 2: I copied the modified Npswf32.dll modified file to the Firefox plugins folder, so youtube does think I'm using Flash 8.0.42. Videos play but I can't seem to fix the problematic formatting, even though there is an included file for that. I will report again if I fix this problem.
I also used the modified Flash file for Opera 10.63, and now Youtube runs flawlessly in Opera 10.63. I am going to uninstall/remove Firefox since I have no use for it anymore.
This thread is closed.

Edited by ironman14, 23 December 2013 - 08:08 PM.


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Hello,
I have problems with Flash Player 9.0.47 in Windows NT 4.0 SP6. It is the last supported Flash version in NT 4.0. But when I install it and go to a flash site, my browser, Opera 10.63, just crashes.The latest working version is 8.0.42, but that can't do a whole lot. To prove that Flash 9 should work, I have a couple links here:
SdFox7's download page: http://sdfox7.com/nt40/flash.htm
Forum reference: http://www.betaarchi...=26982&start=25

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I have looked a bit further, using Flash 9.0.16. Apparently animated objects work, and the Adobe flash site says I am using version 9.0.16.0, but when I load ANY site that is currently playing a Flash video, it crashes, no matter which browser. It may be do to JavaScript, because the crashing happens with JavaScript enabled. But when I do disable JavaScript, sites like Youtube, Vimeo, Blip display a black screen where the Flash content is? Any ideas for fixing this?

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Hello,
As I said in this link:http://www.msfn.org/...-windows-nt-40/,
I could not get Flash 9 to work on Windows NT 4.0. It installed, but crashed when I tried to play a Flash video. Turns out the same version, Flash 9.0.47.0, does the same thing on Windows 98. Newer releases of Flash 9, along with Flash 8 & 7, work on 98, but newer versions of Flash 9 don't work on NT 4.0. They don't play any flash content, and before even fully loading the page, they complain of a missing file in User32.DLL. So, how can I get Flash 9.0.47 to work?

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Complains about WHICH file "missing"?

 

I have this Shockwave Player installed in 98SE and it appears to work in IE6.

http://www.filehippo.com/download_shockwave/3732/

 

It very well could be the website. Apparently, some YouTube videos don't work with the older version (v47) but do with the newer one (v115).

 

I do NOT have an NT4 install to test with. I also only use IE and FF, not Opera. Sorry. :(

 

Side note - My understanding is that Opera and FF both use the same Flash Players? FF Player is not the same as the IE Player (but you knew that, right?).


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I believe the error message I received was "The procedure entry point MonitorFromWindow could not be located in the dynamic link library User32.DLL." That was on NT 4.0 only.

Thanks for the link to Shockwave Flash 10.3. Hopefully it wil work with Opera too. Although you know that it supports 98SE, it may work with NT 4.0 too. Oldapps said the last Windows NT 4.0 compatible version was 10.2, but they can't always be trusted.

This is not a website-only problem. Earlier versions of Flash 9 (up to at least 9.0.124.0) seem to crash when trying to load any flash content, no matter which operating system. This is for youtube, dailymotion, CNN. I even tested some sites using Flash games, and they instantly crashed as well. I tested this in Firefox 2.0.0.20, IE 6, K-Meleon 1.5.4 and Opera 10.63, with the same results. So it was a problem with Flash 9 itself.

I knew that IE & Firefox have different Flash Players, and FF has the same Flash Player as Opera.

I will try Shockwave for now, and post the results.

Edited by ironman14, 06 January 2014 - 09:54 PM.


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1) Failing to load is _not_ "a crash"
2) 9r47 doesn't call MonitorFromWindow, 9r115 and up (including 10.2 and 10.3) do.
3) 9r115 and up also require SSE for videos
3) 9r47 is very stable in FF2..20 on SE, but not so in Opera 10.63

You asked about getting 9r47 to work in Opera 10.63 on Nt4. Please describe in detail exactly how it fails.

Your best option may be to hope that 9r47 is stable in Opera7 or 8--whatever is the earliest that can display a minimal Youtube page or embedded video.

Also confirm that you have NT4sp6 and not 6a.
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After reading your reply, this are my replies:
-Whenever I tried to load Flash content using Flash Player 9, Opera & FF 2.0.0.20 would crash, not fail to load flash content.
-Before I knew that 9r47 was the latest Flash for NT 4.0, I tried some other releases of Flash 9, including Flash 9r246, and THEY were missing MonitorFromWindow.
-As for Opera 10.63, I am not sure how to explain it. If I install Flash 9.0.47, it installs fine, but when I go onto a Flash website that is currently displaying Flash content, Opera just shuts down. It doesn't always even ask to send an error report.
-Have you recently used Flash Player 9. If so, what version, and does it work for you.

I have SP6a installed, not SP6. What difference does this make?

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After reviewing post #1, I'm confused.

1) What OS are you using?
2) What browser are you using?
3) What is your goal?
4) After two weeks, why are we covering the same ground in yet another thread?
"I also used the modified Flash file for Opera 10.63, and now Youtube runs flawlessly in Opera 10.63."
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Maybe this will help:
1)I am using Windows NT 4.0 SP6a as my main OS for this, but I'm also using 98.
2)Opera 10.63 is my main browser, but since it didn't work, I tried some other browsers.
3)My goal is to get earlier versions of Flash player 9 (up to v. 9.0.124) to work.
4)That thread is for any Flash Player, and for Windows NT 4.0 only. The version of Flash I have there is 8.0.42. While that works on Youtube,It barely works with anything else.This topic was originally to get some versions of Flash 9 (earlier versions) to work in Windows. AFTER I tested in 98, I came to the conclusion that Flash Player versions up to 9.0.124 don't work.

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For Flash 9 after version 47, cpu becomes an issue. SSE is required for video and that means a PIII or greater. What is your hardware setup?

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I am running this virtually, and the virtual machine emulates an Intel Pentium II as the processor, with an Intel 440BX chipset.

I can't really understand,however, why Flash 9.0.47 doesn't work at all. Not that it is usable, but even Flash Player 7 works (runs right).

Edited by ironman14, 09 January 2014 - 06:23 PM.


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Flash by OS:

NT4: Without SSE, Flash versions later than 9.0.47 are out of the question for NT4.
98 : For Win98, however, you can use FineSSE to overcome the SSE issues of later Flash 9 versions (up through r289).
98+KernelEx: Flash 10.0-10.3.

Opera by OS:

NT4: 10.63 is possible;
98 : 10.10, 10.63?
98+KernelEx: 10.63, 11.11, 11.64, 12.02

Firefox by OS:

NT4: 1.5.x, 2.0.0.20, 2.0.0.22pre
98 : 1.5.x, 2.0.0.20, 2.0.0.22pre
98+KernelEx: 3.0, 3.5, 3.6, ...


For NT4, sdfox7 recommends Opera 9.64+Flash9.0.47+SP6 (not 6a) (see post #2). See also this update (#4).
For Win98, I recommend Firefox 2.0.0.20+Flash 9.0.47 (I use this daily).
For 98+KernelEx, I suggest trying Firefox 3.6.x and Flash 10.1; Opera 11.64 is another option.

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@jumper - :thumbup

 

(also, I think I broke my "base" 98SE with newer version... oh, well.)


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For 98SE, I have Flash 9 installed on Opera 10.63 and it works. The only thing that doesn't seem to work is Youtube, as most of the buttons don't seem to show up.
For NT 4.0, I installed opera 9.64, and Flash 9.0.47, but the problem still occurs. I have been trying to disable hardware acceleration, but Opera crashes before I could even see a flash animation.I think this problem may be related to SP6a. I know where I could get the original SP6, but how do I uninstall SP6a?




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