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Hey everyone let me introduce myself. I'm a High School student (15), and when I graduate I want to be a scientist and an IT professional. I am an honors student so learning isn't an issue.I'm currently taking German 1-5 (starting two in a week) I've been using computers since I was a kid and built a couple. I have four computers in my room, but my favorite one is my windows 98se computer. I have been using her for nine years soon to be ten. I also like to go outside and participated and won three soccer tournaments. I'm also a second degree black belt. Now that you know a bit about me I have a request. I've been watching this site for about a year and really like it. There is one problem though I have no idea what any of you are talking about. This shouldn't be a problem since my school offers classes to become an IT professional at CIT ,but there is a catch. I would have to give up my German classes and I won't do that. My dad (who built computers and wrote software) told my that I can get certified online, and that's why I made this account. I'm hoping that anyone here can help my so I can get certified and help out around the site. Chao Tschau!!

 

EDIT: opps spelt Tschau wrong :blushing:


Edited by Flasche, 23 January 2014 - 09:57 PM.

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Well, you sounds like you can do alot better, then computers, with all of that under your belt.

An IT person, is the person who works under the CEO or CIO who governs all computer network operations. An CIO is an time staking job, and while you can make alot of money, and make harsh decisions, who are also bound to that job by time. Most of everybody on this forum has the "skills" to work in an IT department. However their are small things you will learn.
Keep in mind going into deeper technological carers also means more dedication. It is a good JOB and I mean JOB.

I would rather have abandon all sugar products, and tv watching and become a body builder, and pose for cameras, and be a body guard for a cripple.

You sound like you have an free ticket to college. If I was you, I would take my studies to the limit, go to the most expensive college, and get the highest grades. You want to take up German, fine by me. Maybe you will be able to utilize it somehow. My father went to Havard to study for art, but because he had no more money, he went to a less expensive college to study telecommunications,

It will not hurt you to do what your father said, because after all he is father. How could your father hurt you?

Edited by ROTS, 23 January 2014 - 10:47 AM.


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Well, you sounds like you can do alot better, then computers, with all of that under your belt.

An IT person, is the person who works under the CEO or CIO who governs all computer network operations. An CIO is an time staking job, and while you can make alot of money, and make harsh decisions, who are also bound to that job by time. Most of everybody on this forum has the "skills" to work in an IT department. However their are small things you will learn.
Keep in mind going into deeper technological carers also means more dedication. It is a good JOB and I mean JOB.

I would rather have abandon all sugar products, and tv watching and become a body builder, and pose for cameras, and be a body guard for a cripple.

You sound like you have an free ticket to college. If I was you, I would take my studies to the limit, go to the most expensive college, and get the highest grades. You want to take up German, fine by me. Maybe you will be able to utilize it somehow. My father went to Havard to study for art, but because he had no more money, he went to a less expensive college to study telecommunications,

It will not hurt you to do what your father said, because after all he is father. How could your father hurt you?

The reason I want a career in computers is cause 1 I love them and 2 I want to be certified so when I'm in college (since I would be IT certified I can self employ myself to help local people with pc issues) Being an it professional would only be a secondly job.


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You would likely get more feedback by using the General Discussion subforum:

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You would likely get more feedback by using the General Discussion subforum:

http://www.msfn.org/...ral-discussion/

All right I'll remember that for next time.


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By getting IT certified, just means that you can work in an job area, where an IT is needed. This is no different then being "certified" to deal with class of vehicles, or brand name goods. If you want to do your own small business, you can start it yourself.

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Or ICAR Certified to paint a car at an autobody repair shop that Insurance Companies won't deal with UNLESS said shop has Certified personnel, even if it's a One Man Shop, ROTS?

 

Your assertion is, again, an -opinion- and not a -fact-.

 

"Certified" means "I have been trained and I know what I'm doing, so you can trust me to do a good job", even if it's your -own- business. IOW, did you Graduate and have a Diploma that proves you know the 3-R's? If the answer is -no- then there is "No Soup For You". ;)


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By getting IT certified, just means that you can work in an job area, where an IT is needed. This is no different then being "certified" to deal with class of vehicles, or brand name goods. If you want to do your own small business, you can start it yourself.

Opps :blushing: though I did find this http://www.microsoft...us/default.aspx . This website hopefully has all of the info I need to be certified as a M$ IT pro or even a developer. ( But since I have no background I have to start out as a Microsoft technical associate and work my way up.

 

EDIT: hmm since MSITP are being retired , and Most MCITP certifications will be retired by July 31, 2014 I shall be looking at Microsoft Certified Solutions Expert (MCSE).


Edited by Flasche, 28 January 2014 - 09:59 PM.

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"Certified" means "I have been trained and I know what I'm doing, so you can trust me to do a good job", even if it's your -own- business. 

No.

"Certified" means "I have been trained and I managed to get judged capable of doing what I was trained for". (nothing more, nothing less).

From this to extrapolate that "I know what I am doing" and "you can trust me to do a good job" there is an abyss.

 

Just go to some more official MS forum and check what MVP's and the like tell poor, innocent people.

 

A few examples:

intelligent+honest+properly trained or knowledgeable enough+passes certification=Certified AND knowing what I am doing AND you can trust me to do a good job

stupid+dishonest+properly trained or knowledgeable enough+passes certification=Certified AND knowing what I am doing BUT NOT necessarily you can trust me to do a good job

Intelligent+honest+properly trained or knowledgeable enough= knowing what I am doing AND you can trust me to do a good job BUT NOT certified

stupid+honest+passes certification=Certified BUT NOT knowing what I am doing AND NOT necessarily you can trust me to do a good job

 

etc.. :whistle:

 

jaclaz


Edited by jaclaz, 29 January 2014 - 07:47 AM.


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@jaclaz -

By getting IT certified, just means that you can work in an job area, where an IT is needed. This is no different then being "certified" to deal with class of vehicles, or brand name goods. If you want to do your own small business, you can start it yourself.

My comment was simply to point out that the above is sheer nonsense. The comment above used "vehicle" as an example then continued with "own business". My comment was to show that's absilute BS, since I know from direct experience. I am a Combo Autobody+Painter with NO CERTIFICATION and can NOT either get a job OR start my own business without it/them. I've been scrounging for extra income (a job here, a job there) since 1999. First question - "Are you CERTIFIED?"

 

Certification (IMHO) means certainly what you said (you simply clarified), BUT when I was doing IT work (Systems Maintenance) I actually had a guy with a Masters that kmew squat from beans beceuse they had no Real Life Experience (your ticked examples above to drive some points home).

 

"Mr. Opinionated" has been running around MSFN to find something to post on with absolutely no helpful information. Go ahead and do a search on that. ;)

 

Yes, DO get Certified and get some experience under your belt along with surrounding yourself with EXPERIENCED and KNOWLEDGABLE people.

 

NO you CAN NOT open your own PC Repair/Programmer/WebsiteBuilder business without training and that "stupid piece of paper", including that "useless H.S. Diploma"!

 

Reminder, jaclaz, I'm also a U.S.N. Certified E.T. and F.T.B., along with a Degree - now I scrounge for Automobile jobs.


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Reminder, jaclaz, I'm also a U.S.N. Certified E.T. and F.T.B., along with a Degree - now I scrounge for Automobile jobs.

ET? :unsure:

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FTB? :w00t:

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/

 

Check the actual academic degrees and certifications people like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates got, they did *somehow* manage to start a business or two even without them.  :whistle:

 

Mind you I am not saying that it is not good to have certifications and degrees (quite the contrary), I am saying that they are an often overestimated part of what concurs to people's capability and will to "do a good job", they are very good things to have :yes:, but not enough by themselves.

 

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Edited by jaclaz, 29 January 2014 - 08:58 AM.


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E.T. - Electronics Technician ('phone home)

F.T.B. - Fire Control Technician

A.S. Systems Analysis, Design, Programming, Implementation

--Well you know what an A.S. is, followed by B.S., then M.S. <=standard joke in academics

 

The whole point was a rebuttal of ROTS' "opinion", of which (IMHO) "opinions are like ____" and serve no useful purpose. To suggest "you don't need one" is akin to "you don't need to get trained to drive on the highway". Not useful, by itself, but EXTREMELY helpful. It -appeared- that ROTS was kind of "deterring" it with such a suggestion, just like "don't install MAC OSX Security Updates".

Opinion -

http://www.msfn.org/...3-macos-x-lion/

Foolish (this is the specific one) -

http://www.msfn.org/...c-os-x-updates/

 

An expert opinionator doth not sound decisions make.

 

A definition -

http://www.thefreedi...y.com/misguided

 

misguided - wrong in e.g. opinion or judgment

:yes:


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Don't worry about the acronyms, it is just my "personal war" agaisnt their use (and abuse), though F.T.B. for Fire Control Technician is an interesting twist:
http://www.acronymfi...DoD)-(FTB).html
as anywhere else that would make FCT :yes:
 

The whole point was a rebuttal of ROTS' "opinion", of which (IMHO) "opinions are like ____" and serve no useful purpose.

Sure :), I understand what you were trying to do, but that's one of the occasions when an image is worth a thousand words ;):
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An expert opinionator doth not sound decisions make.

Spoiler

 
:lol:
 
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Edited by jaclaz, 29 January 2014 - 01:05 PM.


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Hmm wow a lot has happened since I last checked. I thank you all for your replies. Jaclaz and submix8c you two are very knowledgeable can you tell me sites where I can learn about the windows NT ( and 9x though 9x is an optional request ) kernels. It bugs seeing people do all of these projects and I cant do anything to help.


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Hmm wow a lot has happened since I last checked. I thank you all for your replies. Jaclaz and submix8c you two are very knowledgeable can you tell me sites where I can learn about the windows NT ( and 9x though 9x is an optional request ) kernels. It bugs seeing people do all of these projects and I cant do anything to help.

You have to consider how - among all programming chores - kernel level programming is one of the most difficult ones (if not outright the most difficult one).

ones.

I wouldn't advice anyone to start from it.

You normally need a decent familiarity with C/ C++ and with writing programs in userland before attempting to go down to kernel level.

http://en.wikibooks...._vs_Kernel_Mode

 

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Hmm wow a lot has happened since I last checked. I thank you all for your replies. Jaclaz and submix8c you two are very knowledgeable can you tell me sites where I can learn about the windows NT ( and 9x though 9x is an optional request ) kernels. It bugs seeing people do all of these projects and I cant do anything to help.

You have to consider how - among all programming chores - kernel level programming is one of the most difficult ones (if not outright the most difficult one).

ones.

I wouldn't advice anyone to start from it.

You normally need a decent familiarity with C/ C++ and with writing programs in userland before attempting to go down to kernel level.

http://en.wikibooks...._vs_Kernel_Mode

 

jaclaz

 

Thanks for the info Jaclaz and for your time. You showed me I have a lot to learn :o , and learn shall I. The first thing I'm gonna do is learn c/c++ then focus on userland. Kernel level can wait, but can't wait to get to it.


Edited by Flasche, 01 February 2014 - 10:16 AM.

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This maybe isn't helpful, Flasche, but you could always give QBasic a quick try, if you want to try "easy" beginner programming. And since I notice that you have Windows ME selected as your OS, finding a copy of Qbasic for Dos would probably be the fastest, easiest way of jumping into the world of programming. Sure, it's a crummy defunct language, and you can make cheesy DOS games with it, but as a "programming 101" course it's pretty good. There's millions of tutorials out there. You can probably learn it in like 1 day. And if you needed any help with Qbasic, I'd be glad to offer pointers. I made a few programs myself with qbasic, back in the day.

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This maybe isn't helpful, Flasche, but you could always give QBasic a quick try, if you want to try "easy" beginner programming. And since I notice that you have Windows ME selected as your OS, finding a copy of Qbasic for Dos would probably be the fastest, easiest way of jumping into the world of programming. Sure, it's a crummy defunct language, and you can make cheesy DOS games with it, but as a "programming 101" course it's pretty good. There's millions of tutorials out there. You can probably learn it in like 1 day. And if you needed any help with Qbasic, I'd be glad to offer pointers. I made a few programs myself with qbasic, back in the day.

 

I'll give it a try. Though curiously do you know a good site to learn the assembly language since I want to debug programs.


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Well I never learned Assembly, so I wouldn't know where to point you to. I can't give advice about something I know nothing about.

I took a course in Visual Basic (for making Windows programs) in high school... and before that I already had an interest in Qbasic (DOS). Other than learning HTML, dos batch commands, and Basic, that's as far as my programming skills evolved. BASIC is a high level language, and in the case of HTML, a very high level language... both are very different than assembly and much easier than assembly too.

You should go after what interests you though. Like, do you want to make apps? Or do you want to make games? Or do you want to do hard, low level assembly programming?

There's lots of different kinds of programming to choose from.

I liked Qbasic, well, simply because I could read the code of other's people games and learn from them. Plus, pretty much none of it was copyrighted, game source code was entirely free to edit and alter; the entire QBasic fan community was pretty much open to sharing. You learned by reading other people's works and playing around with them. I suppose it's like that with other languages, I don't know... but QuickBasic source code was confined to one single .bas file to open and read in a text editor. Again, it was extremely low tech and fast, but fun! The core concepts of programming are there however. There were some really smart people who did some amazing things with it. They were geniuses probably.

You gotta just go for what interests you :-)

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 09:12 PM.


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check this out :-)

http://en.wikipedia....nguages_by_type

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 09:23 PM.


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I'll give it a try. Though curiously do you know a good site to learn the assembly language since I want to debug programs.

 

Start on the donkey's stable :w00t:, seriously :yes:

http://www.donkeysstable.com/

their WinExplorer is a little gem  :thumbup and from there you have many relevant links to "modern" assembly programming and tools.

 

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Start on the donkey's stable :w00t:, seriously :yes:

http://www.donkeysstable.com/

their WinExplorer is a little gem  :thumbup and from there you have many relevant links to "modern" assembly programming and tools.

 

jaclaz

 

 

Thanks it looks promising :yes: .


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