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Restore Points from Backup that doesn't exist-how to remove?


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Hi

 

Have had this problem for years. 5 of my 7 restore points are from sys images that I no longer have (3 yrs old). These do not delete using Win system tools or CC Cleaner.

 

How do I remove these worthless restore points from taking up room in my sys restore settings cache? See attached.  TIA

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via winPE

thats how I got rid of my WinME & XP restore points :P

and I was running "7"


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How about temporarily turning off System Restore? When I did it on Win 8, all the restore points were deleted!

Of course you can always turn it on again after that and create new restore points.



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via winPE

thats how I got ridd of my WinME & XP restore points :P

and I was running "7"

 

thanks for the reply, but I don't want to install another OS

 

How about temporarily turning off System Restore? When I did it on Win 8, all the restore points were deleted!

Of course you can always turn it on again after that and create new restore points.

 

Did that several times in several ways, w/o getting rid of the backup ones.



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winPE isn't a OS :)

its sorta rescue disc (live cd), which loads Windows UI from CD/DVD

thus you can delete, rename and modify files that are usually locked


Edited by vinifera, 17 February 2014 - 12:45 PM.

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@extraoneya, have you tried to go through the instructions here, which shows how to delete all previous restore points? Then you can create a new manual restore point to use as a new starting point.

 

Before you create a new manual restore point, you can also take Aloha's suggestion to temporarily disable System Restore, reboot, and check and make sure that C:\hiberfil.sys is deleted. (It's normally a hidden system file so be sure that "Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)" is UN-checked in Windows Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Advanced.)  Then you should be able to re-enable System Restore and continue.

 

Cheers and Regards


Edited by bphlpt, 17 February 2014 - 02:25 PM.

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winPE isn't a OS :)

its sorta rescue disc (live cd), which loads Windows UI from CD/DVD

thus you can delete, rename and modify files that are usually locked

 

OK, I remember it now. But it’s not that they are locked. I have a unlocking utility & if I could get to them maybe unlocking & then deleting would work. If I knew where they were & are accessible,  could do that.

What I think is happening is this;

 

Those old restore  points were made automatically at the time I made the system images. Those restore points don’t want to disappear unless they’re removed by going though Win Backup & they find their old linkage w/ those backups that made them. I remember that there is a box that asks you if you want to delete or overwrite a particular dated backup.

 

However, I didn’t delete those backups from the backup program, but rather through Windows Explorer or just trashed the USB drives they were on.

 

@extraoneya, have you tried to go through the instructions here, which shows how to delete all previous restore points? Then you can create a new manual restore point to use as a new starting point.

 

Before you create a new manual restore point, you can also take Aloha's suggestion to temporarily disable System Restore, reboot, and check and make sure that C:\hiberfil.sys is deleted. (It's normally a hidden system file so be sure that "Hide protected operating system files (Recommended)" is UN-checked in Windows Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Advanced.)  Then you should be able to re-enable System Restore and continue.

 

Cheers and Regards

Yup...been there & done ALL the published solutions, shut down Sys Restore, decreased the size, used disk cleanup, used other utilities...etc.....etc...

 

See above for why I think they don't want to leave the comforts of where ever they call home. :crazy:

I actually have this problem on 2 separate computers, both running win7 Pro x64. I haven't seen any reference to anyone else having the Identical issue.



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I was wrong above, the restore points are actually stored in System Volume Information.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
Be sure you have tried all four methods described here - http://www.sevenforu...nts-delete.html
 
1) Through System Protection to Delete All Restore Points
2) Through Disk Cleanup to Delete All Restore Points
3) Using "CCleaner" to Delete Individual Restore Points
4) Using "System Restore Explorer" to Delete Individual Restore Points
 
Cheers and Regards


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I was wrong above, the restore points are actually stored in System Volume Information.  Sorry for any confusion.
 
Be sure you have tried all four methods described here - http://www.sevenforu...nts-delete.html
 
1) Through System Protection to Delete All Restore Points
2) Through Disk Cleanup to Delete All Restore Points
3) Using "CCleaner" to Delete Individual Restore Points
4) Using "System Restore Explorer" to Delete Individual Restore Points
 
Cheers and Regards

#1-3, check (the backup points never show up in these utilites)

#4, ah, a new utility, shows promise!

 

See 1st cap for all the dead/backup generated points on this puter (more points can't be seen, as well as the few good points)

See 2nd cap for the results of what Sys Restore Explr. shows (the same as all other utilites) :wacko:  :crazy:

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Just for grins.....

 

since bphlpt said be sure....for the 1,768th time, I went through sys protection to delete ALL points in both C & D drives...to see the points STILL present, see the 1st screen cap in my above post ?!!()!&!!?>



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If I knew where they were

 

use any fast search (not microsofts) that reads hidden data

put in search field: _restore


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If I knew where they were

 

use any fast search (not microsofts) that reads hidden data

put in search field: _restore

I show All System Files & display extensions in Win Explr, is that what u mean? I thought there was a prob in manually deleting them or it wasn't possible???


Edited by extraoneya, 18 February 2014 - 09:50 PM.


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I thought there was a prob in manually deleting them or it wasn't possible???

 

 

thats why I said to do it from WinPE

as you can't unlock those from OS itself, apps like unlocker won't help you


Edited by vinifera, 19 February 2014 - 06:25 AM.

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I thought there was a prob in manually deleting them or it wasn't possible???

 

thats why I said to do it from WinPE

as you can't unlock those from OS itself, apps like unlocker won't help you

 

But will WinPE. expose  those retore points that all the other utilities failed to show??...that's what's been happening to me for years. As I show above, none of these apps sdisplay the points made by Win Backup.



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If, using WinPE, looking in "System Volume Information" on ALL disks in your system do not show those restore points the other utilities do not show, then it seems that those restore points might be "phantom" restore points that actually don't exist anymore.  It reminds me of what happens when you delete an app manually by deleting it's folder in "Program Files".  If afterwards you go to "Programs and Features" and try to delete it there you get a "that program does not exist" type of message and it offers to delete the entry.  If you go through all the steps to delete all restore points, then you double check with WinPE to make sure that nothing exists in all the "System Volume Information" folders, but they still show up in "System Restore", then it is acting as if it has a list of restore points in the registry or some place, but I'm not aware that actually happens and I can find nothing online that says that it does, so I'm very confused.

 

I don't know if this would work, but, using WinPE, or a live Linux disc, you might be able to completely delete all "System Volume Information" folders on your system and let them be recreated then as necessary.  But I suppose that could also completely hose your system, so be careful and only proceed if you have appropriate backups available.

 

Cheers and Regards


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LiveLinux -or- WinBuilder (XP, anyway for sure) -does- expose those folders and contents. I have booted MANY a time to a LiveXP and deleted those and the PageFile before "ghosting". Yes, it works that way. Linux does not care about "hidden" -or- "owner", which is what they're "definitions" have. They will -only- be locked (usually) by the Running System (second install of same/similar OS -may- lock them due to "ownership" - can't remember off-hand).

 

Bottom line, don't try it and keep questioning us. ;) It'll never happen. :no:


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Bottom line, don't try it and keep questioning us. ;) It'll never happen. :no:

 

truest truth there

 

by now you could have done tons of tests

its like 3 minute job at most


Edited by vinifera, 20 February 2014 - 05:09 PM.

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no need to see me out, I'll close the door behind me....



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If you are ever successful in deleting those restore points, we would be interested in hearing what worked.  Good luck.

 

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I was wrong above, the restore points are actually stored in System Volume Information.  Sorry for any confusion.

 

To delete System Volume Information, hyberfil.sys and pagefile.sys, any Live Linux will do (I'd recommend the latest Porteus or TinHat).

Now, if all that remains are phantom entries inside the registry, then the best course is to open regedit as the Trusted Installer, and then trash the phantoms.

Warning: Take care what you do either as the Trusted Installer or from a Live Linux distro: both ways it's quite easy to damage your system beyond all recognition.






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