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Long story short I tried dual booting windows vista and windows 7(two different harddrives), but acidetnly installed vista on my windows 7 harddrive. (I picked out the wrong harddrive from my computer used to dual boot 7 and 8) Going back to windows 7 is not what I want (I really like vista) and since I was going to get rid of 8 I wont bother dual booting it with vista. Curious though what major signifigance is their between vista and 7 that I should worry about. (If their is anything to worry about) I dont have any major reason to go back since all of my files from windows 7 were saved, and all my games work with vista and up.


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1 reason I can think of, if you are a SSD user Win7 or 8 would be best (they are optimized if ssd is detected)



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1 reason I can think of, if you are a SSD user Win7 or 8 would be best (they are optimized if ssd is detected)

Hmm interesting any other reasons that I should know before I make vista perniment.


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1 reason I can think of, if you are a SSD user Win7 or 8 would be best (they are optimized if ssd is detected)

Hmm interesting any other reasons that I should know before I make vista perniment.

 

I have decided to stay with vista but their is an issue. I can't connect to the internet. Device manager gives me an error sign next to the Ethernet adapter, and the network adapter despite installing them. This is my computers specs when  I a benchmark when Win 7 was installed. ( The windows vista install is also 64bit but not home premium )

 

EDIT: I need the Network controller (forgot to say but this is an HP computer, just threw that in their in case you need it)

 

EDIT: A google search found my Computer http://h10025.www1.h...cname=c02174835 which is an HP Pavilion p6510y deskptop found all drivers their if I need help still I post here again ( make another edit if none post )

 

EDIT: having trouble finding drivers still, also too tired to continue on (1 am). Whom ever reads this can you please find the drivers.

 

Processor: AMD Athlon II X4 630 @ 2.8 GHz
Memory: 12GB System RAM
Graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 4200

Nova bench mark test results

NovaBench Score: 605

12/21/2013 9:21:12 PMMicrosoft Windows 7 Home PremiumAMD Athlon II X4 630 @ 2800 MHzGraphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 420012032 MB System RAM (Score: 175)- RAM Speed: 3322 MB/sCPU Tests (Score: 365)- Floating Point Operations/Second: 102420408- Integer Operations/Second: 305890896- MD5 Hashes Generated/Second: 749657Graphics Tests (Score: 21)- 3D Frames Per Second: 76Hardware Tests (Score: 44)- Primary Partition Capacity: 687 GB- Drive Write Speed: 95 MB/s

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Field ValueComputer  Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium Home EditionOS Service Pack -DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)Computer Name MIKESROOM (Mikes Room)User Name OFFICE 2Motherboard  CPU Type 2x , 2800 MHzMotherboard Name UnknownMotherboard Chipset UnknownSystem Memory 12032 MBBIOS Type UnknownDisplay  Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 4200Video Adapter ATI Radeon HD 4200Monitor Generic PnP Monitor [NoDB]  (597GG18T0FNT)Multimedia  Audio Adapter High Definition Audio Controller [NoDB]Storage  IDE Controller AMD SATA ControllerDisk Drive Generic- SM/xD-Picture USB DeviceDisk Drive Generic- Compact Flash USB DeviceDisk Drive Generic- MS/MS-Pro USB DeviceDisk Drive Generic- SD/MMC USB DeviceDisk Drive Hitachi HDS721075CLA332 SATA Disk DeviceOptical Drive hp DVD-RAM GH60L SATA CdRom DeviceSMART Hard Disks Status UnknownPartitions  C: (NTFS) 703027 MB (600293 MB free)D: (NTFS) 12273 MB (1461 MB free)Total Size 698.5 GB (587.7 GB free)Input  Keyboard HID Keyboard DeviceMouse HID-compliant mouseNetwork  Network Adapter 802.11n Wireless LAN Card  (192.168.1.116)Network Adapter Microsoft Virtual WiFi Miniport AdapterNetwork Adapter Realtek PCIe FE Family ControllerNetwork Adapter VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet1  (192.168.174.1)Network Adapter VMware Virtual Ethernet Adapter for VMnet8  (192.168.120.1)

Edited by Flasche, 16 February 2014 - 12:03 AM.

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To answer your original question, here's what at least I know you lose the ability to do by not going to Windows 7 (not deal breakers at all):

 

No pinned taskbar.  The tasks along the bottom operate akin to XP.

No ability to upgrade beyond Internet Explorer 9 (v10 and 11 run on 7)

Changes to Control Panel (no true classic mode, which is why I like Vista a little better)

Faster Disk I/O (Even with Vista on SP2, I admit that Windows 7 seems faster for file copy/move operations, though my experiences are anecdotal)

Wordpad with ribbon-mode interface

Changes to Superfetch to make it not as aggressive on RAM usage

Changes to Explorer interface and Search

 

(any others?...)


Edited by JodyThornton, 16 February 2014 - 05:16 AM.


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Oh a biggie...

 

Windows 7 now allows you to cleanup the update files stored in Windows Side-By-Side, thus saving some disk space.



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To answer your original question, here's what at least I know you lose the ability to do by not going to Windows 7 (not deal breakers at all):

 

No pinned taskbar.  The tasks along the bottom operate akin to XP.

No ability to upgrade beyond Internet Explorer 9 (v10 and 11 run on 7)

Changes to Control Panel (no true classic mode, which is why I like Vista a little better)

Faster Disk I/O (Even with Vista on SP2, I admit that Windows 7 seems faster for file copy/move operations, though my experiences are anecdotal)

Wordpad with ribbon-mode interface

Changes to Superfetch to make it not as aggressive on RAM usage

Changes to Explorer interface and Search

 

(any others?...)

 

 

Classic taskbar, control panel and menus are way better than those stupid "modern" UI that takes half of the screen on a 15.6 inch laptop!!! Vista can be thaught to use the TRIM command on an SSD using third party software.

I see you have 12 gb of ram which is really great when using a newer version on windows such as vista, 7 or 8; in my opinion anything less than 2 gb is going to drive the HDD and you mad!

The only real thing against Vista is the limitation to IE9!

Your NIC should problaby be a realtek one! Go to their website and download the latest driver using another PC and you should be all good to go!


Edited by ND22, 16 February 2014 - 08:50 AM.


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To answer your original question, here's what at least I know you lose the ability to do by not going to Windows 7 (not deal breakers at all):

 

No pinned taskbar.  The tasks along the bottom operate akin to XP.

No ability to upgrade beyond Internet Explorer 9 (v10 and 11 run on 7)

Changes to Control Panel (no true classic mode, which is why I like Vista a little better)

Faster Disk I/O (Even with Vista on SP2, I admit that Windows 7 seems faster for file copy/move operations, though my experiences are anecdotal)

Wordpad with ribbon-mode interface

Changes to Superfetch to make it not as aggressive on RAM usage

Changes to Explorer interface and Search

 

(any others?...)

 

 

Classic taskbar, control panel and menus are way better than those stupid "modern" UI that takes half of the screen on a 15.6 inch laptop!!! Vista can be thaught to use the TRIM command on an SSD using third party software.

I see you have 12 gb of ram which is really great when using a newer version on windows such as vista, 7 or 8; in my opinion anything less than 2 gb is going to drive the HDD and you mad!

The only real thing against Vista is the limitation to IE9!

Your NIC should problaby be a realtek one! Go to their website and download the latest driver using another PC and you should be all good to go!

 

I found the network controller, but HP only gives windows 7 drivers for it.

 

EDIT: also found the one for xp o,0 still no vista though.


Edited by Flasche, 16 February 2014 - 09:58 AM.

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Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
Could you provide the VID/PID? This is *essential* in finding the correct driver. *Always* provide this detail for Driver Searches. ;)

 

"Generically" speaking Realtek has them here (according to the above quote) -

http://www.realtek.c...3&GetDown=false


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Realtek PCIe FE Family Controller
Could you provide the VID/PID? This is *essential* in finding the correct driver. *Always* provide this detail for Driver Searches. ;)

 

"Generically" speaking Realtek has them here (according to the above quote) -

http://www.realtek.c...3&GetDown=false

 

Thats the same link the hp guy gave me. It helped with Ethernet but not wireless http://h30434.www3.h...30411/highlight

/false#M76290.

 

EDIT: This page is about my computer and drivers, but for windows 7 This is prob the particualar driver I'm looking for I think: Original Realtek Networking Controller Driver or Ralink 802.11 b/g/n WiFi Adapter

 

 

Thank you. The download solved one of my problems (Ethernet driver), though oddly device management says that Network controller is not installed (code 28)


Edited by Flasche, 16 February 2014 - 11:02 AM.

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Thats another thing I forgot, driver support. Its better with Windows 7



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Thats another thing I forgot, driver support. Its better with Windows 7

The thing is this computer is built for vista and 7


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I found the Network controller! its the Ralink 802.11 b/g/n WiFi Adapter. Unfortunately the dang thing is giving me trouble. I'm currently trying to find the oldest version of it.

 

EDIT: after uninstalling Ralink wireless Lan adater windows vista found the network controller and is currently trying to install it. If it fails I'll make another edit.


Edited by Flasche, 16 February 2014 - 11:47 AM.

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??? Still, there are SEVERAL "models" associated with that (google it). Again, provide the VID/PID for assistance. According to your last post above, you have some kind of "conflict". What I provided was based upon your initial needs (never knew BOTH were having a problem).


Edited by submix8c, 16 February 2014 - 11:59 AM.

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??? Still, there are SEVERAL "models" associated with that (google it). Again, provide the VID/PID for assistance. According to your last post above, you have some kind of "conflict". What I provided was based upon your initial needs (never knew BOTH were having a problem).

Why do you need the PID/VID its not a usb adapter. Unlease I'm missing something?


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Changes to Superfetch to make it not as aggressive on RAM usage

 

this makes Win7 worse. The responsiveness of Vista is better because of the better Superfetch.


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Changes to Superfetch to make it not as aggressive on RAM usage

 

this makes Win7 worse. The responsiveness of Vista is better because of the better Superfetch.

 

One thing I can say is that vista is much faster on this computer than 7 ever was.


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If you give me the hardware id I can find the latest driver that supported vista

 

Hey, if you are happy with Vista, then by all means keep using it



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If you give me the hardware id I can find the latest driver that supported vista

 

Hey, if you are happy with Vista, then by all means keep using it

PCI\VEN_1814&DEV_3090&SUBSYS_663211AD&REV_00
PCI\VEN_1814&DEV_3090&SUBSYS_663211AD
PCI\VEN_1814&DEV_3090&CC_028000
PCI\VEN_1814&DEV_3090&CC_0280
 

Though you dont need to since some guy on the HP forums found the driver. http://h30434.www3.h...ws/td-p/3530305

 

I'm good to go :thumbup


Edited by Flasche, 16 February 2014 - 02:15 PM.

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(oh, jeez...) :blushing: That's what I really meant - Trade ya one PID/VID for two VEN/DEV's. :zzz:


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(oh, jeez...) :blushing: That's what I really meant - Trade ya one PID/VID for two VEN/DEV's. :zzz:

How about 2 for 4. Seriously though thanks for ya help. OT: curious though do you have some webpage so I can do better google searches. I remember ages ago they taught me in school but no one cared to pay attention, but now I see the importance when finding things like dang drivers.


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Hey MagicAndre1981:

 

You mention that Windows 7 is worse than Vista because its SuperFetch is less aggressive?  I would be cautious with that statement.  Both times I have installed Vista, I have found there to be better performance using just conventional prefetch.  I have seen other systems showing this as well.  Perhaps, the system was slow in relinquishing memory from SuperFetch use to regular application use, thus causing a bottleneck.  Who's to say?  I would say that in practice, Windows 7 outperforms Windows Vista in this area.



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Superfetch runs in low IO priority in background and doesn't impact other operations with normal or higher IO priorities.


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Though you dont need to since some guy on the HP forums found the driver. http://h30434.www3.h...ws/td-p/3530305
 
I'm good to go :thumbup


Here is a newer one with Vista support v5.0.3.0

ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp63001-63500/sp63214.exe

Edited by ricktendo, 17 February 2014 - 12:06 AM.


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VEN_1814 = Ralink

DEV_3090 = Ralink RT3090

 

Here are the latest drivers:

 

http://www.station-d...ivers/54-ralink


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