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Tried creating an audio CD of .ape and .flac files using both ImgBurn 2.5.8.0, and Burrrn 1.14, but both failed.

Burrrn gave a simple, unhelpful message: Failed.

ImgBurn gave this error message:

Connect Filters (source, sample grabber) failed!

File Name: song.ape

Reason: No combination of intermediate filters could be found to make the connection. Hint: You may need to install additional DirectShow filters in order to support files of this type or the file might be corrupt.

I really doubt the files are corrupted... I converted the APE files from fresh new WAV's that I ripped. Used several different converters too, just in case the files were written badly.

The ape files I converted from the wavs, they play fine in several different programs.

I went to the ImgBurn forum, but they didn't have much on this. One thread there suggests to google "ape directshow filters." Well, I did that and installed the first thing I came across*, but still no luck.

Any pros here know how to get ImgBurn to write audio CD's with either .ape or .flac files in Windows Me?

*http://www.free-code...Show_Filter.htm

Furthermore, in case I can't get ImgBurn to work, does anyone know of a program for Windows ME that does write .ape or .flac files without any hassles? Obviously ImgBurn and Burrrn don't work :-(

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 04:40 AM.



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Tried creating an audio CD of .ape and .flac files using both ImgBurn 2.5.8.0, and Burrrn 1.14, but both failed.
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I converted the APE files from fresh new WAV's that I ripped. Used several different converters too, just in case the files were written badly.

The ape files I converted from the wavs, they play fine in several different programs.
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Any pros here know how to get ImgBurn to write audio CD's with either .ape or .flac files in Windows Me?


I'm confused, or maybe just a noob when it comes to audio CD's. :)

So you had some WAV files that you converted to APE files. Then you want to burn those APE files to an audio CD, right? But when you make an audio CD, aren't those files converted back to WAV files? Aren't all audio CD's made up of WAV files, well actually CDA files, but I understand there is a sort of one-to-one conversion between the two? Yes I know that you can record an MP3 CD where the files are kept in MP3 format that can be played in an MP3 player, but when you say audio CD I tend to think of WAV format.

 

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@bphlpt - close... CDA "files" are "pointers" (indices/track info, if you will) to WAV files. Yes, -any- format burned to an Audio CD -must- be converted to WAV files, even MP3 files ("compressed" WAV) "burned" from the MS Media Player converts them. SOP... ;)

 

Whenever possible, -always' "rip" to WAV as they are the "original lossless" format used in every single (AFAIK) CD/DVD (audio) player on the market (barring those having a built-in MP3-format player). :yes:

 

Using obscure formats is not a good idea if there's no facility to convert to WAV/MP3 for the purpose of burning to play on a "standard CD Audio player".

 

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If talking of Audio CD's, what about self-burning audio CD archives?

 

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and later selfburner:

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Though the .cmd's will work only on 2K and later NT based OS, I am afraid, cannot say about damian666's thingy. :unsure:

 

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@Jaclaz

Thanks for the Anyburn program suggestion, never heard of it before.... unfortunately it didn't detect my disc drive. But I like the user interface more than ImgBurn, and it actually starts under Windows ME , which is a surprising thing in itself. I'll keep it for use on another disc drive/computer. Thanks.

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You're correct. I had some ape files that I wanted to make an audio CD with. I think normally every audio format is decoded before the burning process starts. This is why burning with .wav files seems to get done a lot quicker than mp3 because the decoding process is faster... the wavs are basically uncompressed already. MP3s and Ogg being compressed, for example, take longer to decode (not to mention sound worse).

In the end, I burned the wav files using DeepBurner. Same result (a nice sounding mix-CD without any loss of quality).

I will simply re-convert my .ape files back to .wav before burning. Seems to be the best solution. I have to use ape or flac otherwise my hard drive will get full pretty fast.

I don't want to store my music in MP3 because even the maximum bitrate of 320 still creates inferior sounding music to my ears. Thanks for the replies everyone.

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 02:23 PM.


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Whenever possible, -always' "rip" to WAV as they are the "original lossless" format used in every single (AFAIK) CD/DVD (audio) player on the market (barring those having a built-in MP3-format player). :yes:


Using obscure formats is not a good idea if there's no facility to convert to WAV/MP3 for the purpose of burning to play on a "standard CD Audio player".


And especially when using Windows ME, because the error testing and debugging is probably approaching nil for this system. Still, I shouldn't complain too much, because ImgBurn works good in every other way I've tested.

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.... unfortunately it didn't detect my disc drive. 

Queer :unsure:, from the looks of it it should be using pretty much "standard" System device interfaces/whatever.

 

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my disc drive, from ImgBurns startup log/screen:

"12:22:07 - Drive 1 - Info: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1693S KS04 (D:)"


^it's a drive I got for $5 dollars at used store.

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 02:28 PM.


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The thingy seems fairly recent/still in development:

http://www.anyburn.c...als/history.htm

 

Try contacting the Author, it is possible that there is a "regression bug" of some kind or maybe there is a mistake in the part that suggests 98/Me compatibility. :ph34r:

 

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^ email already sent, along with my drive info and OS :-)

Hopefully they'll fix it, because it seems like a nice prog. Or else they might drop Win9x support completely to avoid further headaches. LOL.

We'll see.

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 02:40 PM.


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Got an email back from Anyburn, they informed that Win9x/ME isn't supported :-(

Well, I hope they fix their download page to reflect that.

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 04 March 2014 - 10:07 PM.


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Got an email back from Anyburn, they informed that Win9x/ME isn't supported :-(

Well, I hope they fix their download page to reflect that.

:(, but at least we tried ;).

 

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They probably get the drive handle the wrong way. In Win9x it should be:

CreateFile("\\.\vwin32", 0, 0, NULL, 0, FILE_FLAG_DELETE_ON_CLOSE, NULL)

while the NT family uses:

CreateFile("\\.\C:", 0, FILE_SHARE_READ, NULL, OPEN_ALWAYS, 0, NULL) // C: is the actual drive letter

There may be additional issues with DeviceIoControl() parameters though.

 

For an experienced programmer, this should be a walk in the park. They're either all amateurs or just afraid of the big bad wolf bullying anyone that dares to support Win9x. I'm not a programmer but I'm still building my own software on and for Win9x. Open-source.

 

Anyway, media file conversion is always done through external encoders/decoders/filters so if the tool doesn't come with its own, it has to find and use the system ones, if existing. AnyBurn comes with Lame encoder, libFLAC, libvorbis and MonkeyAudio, which should be usable with any other tool, provided it can handle its API.


Edited by Drugwash, 08 March 2014 - 09:30 AM.


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*Problem Solved*

All I needed was this:
http://downloads.xip...s_0.73.1936.exe

It's the "DirectShow Filter" for Ogg and Flac. Now, my Windows Media Player 9 can support both formats, It's pretty cool actually :-)

Once that DirectShow Filter was installed, ImgBurn now recognizes and decodes Flac files without any problem. I'm listening to a burned CD as I type this.

They're either all amateurs or just afraid of the big bad wolf bullying anyone that dares to support Win9x.

Yeah, no kidding. You'd think they could have at least explained this for Win9x users! Or at the very most, provided a link to the single file needed to fix it. Sheesh.

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 11 March 2014 - 02:41 PM.


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*Problem Solved*

All I needed to do was download this:
http://downloads.xip...s_0.73.1936.exe

^DirectShow Filter for Ogg and Flac. Now, my Windows Media Player 9 can support .flac and .ogg playback. It's pretty cool actually :-)

Once that DirectoShow filter was installed, ImgBurn now can recognize and decode .flac files without any problem. I'm listening to a CD of .flac songs as I type this.
 

Well no. :w00t:

I mean :) you originally posted about an issue with a .ape file, not about issues with .flac or .ogg :unsure:

Does that download also "cover" .ape files?

 

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Edited by jaclaz, 11 March 2014 - 02:13 PM.


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Well, I have the ape Filter, but haven't gotten around to testing it yet... I'll get back to you on that. But originally, I did mean both .Flac and .ape files wouldn't burn. See the title of this topic :-)

All of this DirectShow stuff is needlessly complicated. I emailed the author of Tiny Player, and he was kind enough to point me to the correct filter for Win9x support. Just browsing the xiph.org website, I had no idea what I was supposed to download... it's all a bunch of unexplained gibberish over there.

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Edited by LostInSpace2012, 11 March 2014 - 02:25 PM.


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Well, I have the ape Filter, but haven't gotten around to testing it yet... I'll get back to you on that. But originally, I did mean both .Flac and .ape files wouldn't burn. See the title of this topic :-)

All of this DirectShow stuff is needlessly complicated. I emailed the author of Tiny Player, and he was kind enough to point me to the correct filter for Win9x support. Just browsing the xiph.org website, I had no idea what I was supposed to download... it's all a bunch of unexplained gibberish over there.

Wait until you enter the field of video encoders/decoders/players/codec, the real "fun" is there. :ph34r: (I left it from desperation, judging that the time invested in understanding which §@ç#ing codec was inside which stupid "codec pack" - BTW often with malware included - etc. not worth the time needed, got VLC and lived happily since ;)).

 

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Edited by jaclaz, 11 March 2014 - 02:23 PM.


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totally agree with you there Jaclaz :-) It's a headache.

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got VLC and lived happily since ;)).

 

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Too bad the new VLC is a pain in the but to install.


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