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What limitations do you face using 9x or ME in 2014?

Can you still access the Internet?

Have you lost the ability to watch YouTube videos?

Can you no longer bank and shop on the Internet through SSL?

Do certain buttons and features on websites no longer work because your version of Flash or Java are too old?

Is your web browser awfully slow and takes a long time to render webpages?

Do you think sometime in the future you'll be forced to retire Windows 9x or ME?

 

Feel free to add any other issues you have.


Edited by vipejc, 25 April 2014 - 03:08 PM.

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1.What limitations do you face using 9x or ME in 2014?

2.Can you still access the Internet?

3.Have you lost the ability to watch YouTube videos?

4.Can you no longer bank and shop on the Internet through SSL?

5.Do certain buttons and features on websites no longer work because your version of Flash or Java are too old?

6.Is your web browser awfully slow and takes a long time to render webpages?

 

 

 

1. The biggest issue is to get newer programs, or hardware to run.

2. Yes

3. No

4. I dont bank or shop on the internet so I wouldnt know.

5. No not with opera 12.02

6. No faster than my vista computer


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1. Modern hardware, but that is what PCI slots are for.

2. As long as IPv4 exists, that one will not be a problem.

3. No. Latest Flash runs fine.

4. SSL has never been an issue. What is in my country is that most stuff is done with the ID card and the software for it is XP and higher. I do have an XP machine around so that's not a problem really to me.

5. Haven't had any problems around that.

6. Rather opposite. The newer the browsers get the worse they seem to become as far as speed goes. Put the OS bloat on top and there is no way modern OS+browser wins. 

 

My 9x machines all run circles around the XP+ machines, even with same hardware. One of the more tangible reasons I keep using 9x, other really big one is the hardware I use which just isn't supported by newer stuff, but is indisposable in my "production" environment.


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I don't run any win98 or ME

but if I did, I would certainly miss stability of OS

as I remember switching to win2000 was such a relief


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try Longhorn builds: 3718, 4029, 4066

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Stability is not a problem, with the current unofficial service pack. I don't remember when I last had an OS crash or BSOD or something. And when I do get them it is always hardware/driver related, and that also applies to XP+ in my cases.


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I feel more limited using newer computers. I'm not running a home business here... so... I like to see what's on my computer, I don't need to be locked out of it.

Everything is obfuscated on modern systems.

Word 6.0 on Windows 3.1 was sufficient, but yet, here we are, 20 years later, still paying for the X version of Office/Word, which produces ink on a piece of paper like it did 20 years ago.

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 26 April 2014 - 04:08 AM.


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Do you think sometime in the future you'll be forced to retire Windows 9x or ME?


Feel free to add any other issues you have.

Okay, I will.

(1) I can't open any newer kind of Office Documents... whatever the proprietary format of the day is. I stopped keeping track a while ago. What is it? Doc, or DOCX, or something like that?

I use RTF format documents. If I need something fancier I can use Open Office or Abiword. That's if I want to send documents to people. But that's literally like never. I like to write fanfiction sometimes, or else print fanfics that I got online. I don't need Office 2014(?) for that. I have a DOS program called "Ink" which is like 13 KB in size, which can also produce a piece of paper with ink and words on it. People can actually read these too. The font is nifty looking too.

I won't retire my Windows ME machine. To me, it's lke a 1970 ford f-100. Everybody else is paying $1000 dollars to get a light bulb replaced in the dashboard of their 2012 Mercedes Benz. But for $1000 dollars I could replace/rebuild my radiator, get new belts and hoses, rebuild the carburateur, and put in new spark plugs, get the brakes replaced, and probably get a crapload of parts used from the junkyard. But they both get you from point A to point B (the car and truck I mean).

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Edited by LostInSpace2012, 26 April 2014 - 04:50 AM.


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(1) I can't open any newer kind of Office Documents... whatever the proprietary format of the day is. I stopped keeping track a while ago. What is it? Doc, or DOCX, or something like that?

 

You can view and convert to pdf/html MS Office documents up to 2013 (which is currently the latest  if i am not mistaken) with Oracle Outside In products (requires KernelEx).

 

http://www.oracle.co...dded/025613.htm

http://www.oracle.co...otn-097435.html



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Thanks, Loblo.

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I think it's so cool how you guys love your old Windows OSes and work so hard to keep them running and doing what you want, no matter what year it is. I'm the same way. I plan to use XP forever. I'm actually going to most likely be the world's last XP user and plan to send Microsoft a screenshot of my XP desktop with the date shown in a tooltip in the bottom right-hand corner in like 2050. The new Microsoft president will view it on Windows 150. It will crash and he will cry. LOL


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I think it's so cool how you guys love your old Windows OSes and work so hard to keep them running and doing what you want, no matter what year it is. I'm the same way. I plan to use XP forever. I'm actually going to most likely be the world's last XP user and plan to send Microsoft a screenshot of my XP desktop with the date shown in a tooltip in the bottom right-hand corner in like 2050. The new Microsoft president will view it on Windows 150. It will crash and he will cry. LOL

 

Keep in mind me about your plan in 2050. :D


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I don't run any win98 or ME

but if I did, I would certainly miss stability of OS

as I remember switching to win2000 was such a relief

When I was running 98se, certainly for the last 2 years I never had any problems.

Contrary to what Microsoft say, I found that if you put some effort into getting the DOS right, the Windows looks after itself.

Unfortunately I changed the motherboard but the thing that was causing the trouble was one of the optical drives. Oh well!

 

The mobo was a Gigabyte GA7zx with an 800 MHz Duron processor (Thank you MDGx for the tips on your site)



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Yea personally I found windows Me to very stable, alot more than 98.


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@TmEE

 

yes drivers were most problematic

so whenever you watch a video or try to play a game ... BSOD

 

so much for stability -_-


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Joys of nvidia :P


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its not only nvidia

every vendor is in question

 

the 9x OS is very picky and sensitive on drivers, especially IRQ addresses

I know I HATED 98SE, every little now and then BSOD, just because some crap VxD driver

 

ME kinda fixed this and was less prone to driver BSOD's

but freezing during the work annoyed the s***ze out of me


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ME kinda fixed this and was less prone to driver BSOD's

but freezing during the work annoyed the s***ze out of me

 

I too used to have that freezing issue till I did a fresh reinstall with /p i to remove acpi. I then replaced my crappy old hp optical mouse for a good old mechanical mouse, and I never had another performance issue with my main pc again  :thumbup .


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Has there been any luck getting the latest Opera Classic (12.16) or Qupzilla running on 98SE/Me with KernelEx? I tried the latter on 98SE a while ago, kept crashing on startup :/ (right now on my ThinkPad 600X I use Firefox 3.6.28 and Opera 11.64 on 98SE with 576MB RAM)... I know both can work on Windows 2000 with little or no modification (other than the use of BlackWingCat's KernelEx and UURollup... even got some stuff to install just by temporarily changing the reported Windows version)


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Might I interject here? Asking for help -or- providing setup/install/version info on a given product/software seems like being WAAAAY off-topic.

 

Anyone needing help installing or questions on installing (e.g. Opera - see previous post) you should make a NEW Topic for it. This is not the place to do that and your question MAY not be even noticed -and- it clutters up the primary Topic.

 

Please stick to the subject matter "Why do you guys cling to these old OS' 9x->ME (all-inclusive) since you know of all these limitations that I asked you to provide and please specify which OS and what limitation under which circumstance".


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My experiences likely jibe with those of others.

"What limitations do you face using 9x or ME in 2014?"
Obviously, it's been a challenge finding compatible software and hardware for ten years and counting. There are no 95-compatible convertors for Office 2007 files that I know of. The mad and partially Apple-induced rush to replace working legacy interfaces with USB was a ploy that left 95 (and NT4) users high and dry. I use Windows 2000 for syncing up my digital camera; though not much else.

"Can you still access the Internet?"
Yes. You can also access the Internet with DOS or Mac OS 7; it isn't a big hurdle in itself.

"Have you lost the ability to watch YouTube videos?"
No; YouTube is still compatible with a patched Flash 7 on SeaMonkey 1.1 (though their browser checks attempt to throw you for a loop while trying).

"Can you no longer bank and shop on the Internet through SSL?"
SSL is not an issue...for shopping, anyway. I personally avoid online banking out of concerns for security.

"Do certain buttons and features on websites no longer work because your version of Flash or Java are too old?"
This is an issue...Flash 7 and Java 1.4 are quite a few years old, and most of the content that targets newer versions is not backwards-compatible. The biggest issues I have with websites these days isn't with browser plugins, however, but with JavaScript content: The trend of the last few years has been to link to enormous JQuery libraries and tracking scripts that bog down and break on 9x-compatible browsers, then rely on them for basic functionality so that the sites are blank or totally broken without JavaScript enabled. The Disqus comment plugin is epidemic of this: Dozens of big websites that should know better have blindly replaced their own self-hosted comment forms with that crap, and it doesn't even work on Firefox 3!

"Is your web browser awfully slow and takes a long time to render webpages?"
SeaMonkey 1.1 is slow (less slow with Noscript), but reliable. Opera 10 is fast, but flaky.

"Do you think sometime in the future you'll be forced to retire Windows 9x or ME?"
I won't make any denials here: Windows 95 isn't getting any easier to use, and I may be forced to simplify at some point and retire my 9x-era PCs in favor of a single newer computer. (Though what that computer would be or run is anyone's guess...I won't touch Windows XP or subsequent versions with a ten-foot pole; ten years of experimentation with Linux have made me dislike its conventions with a passion, and Apple lost me as a customer when the last beige G3 left the assembly line.)
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Main issue, as other said, is with updating software and hardware.
I forgot about updating/installing new softwares about 3 years ago. Had to do everything with unchanged set-up.
Fortunately I didn't need to update anything since, save for on 3d program I rarely use.

I can access the internet but I disable javascript most of the time. It can crash or freezes sometimes when javascript is enabled.
I'm a little bored of losing content because of that. But so far it's ok.

Without javascript, internet browsing is extremely fast and safe and I prefer losing some content than facing slow and unsafe internet. But this is valid also for newst versions of Windows.
Should I use W8, I would disable Javascript too.

I lost the ability to watch YouTube videos, but I didn't bother installing the patches required and KerenelX etc.
I can't wantch YouTubes also because I disable Javascript and ActiveX.
I'm also bored of having to use another computer for that.

I do internet banking on a daily basis on W98SE, with two banks. But not evry bank website would allow that, I think.

I do think that in the near future, in one or two years, I'll have to quit W98 in order to enjoy full functionality for everything. But it will be with sadness... ;)

Despite the limitations, it's still a pleasure to use it instead of W7, W8 or Vista.

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I lost the ability to watch YouTube videos, but I didn't bother installing the patches required and KerenelX etc.

 

 

:o

 

but you should. These patches bring life to a new level in Windows 9x. If you dont insist on using kernelEx then you should at least use this to web search http://toastytech.co...95browsing.html . This site has a custom seamonkey 1.21 pre, firefox 2.xx, and firebird 2.xx custom. It also has a modified flash 7 so you can watch youtube. If you do decide to use kernelEx then you should (my opinion) download opera 12.02 to get the add-ons you want (like adblock) then revert to opera 11.64 for best modern usage. 


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The Internet is not the primary (or only, as it seems looking around) goal for a computer usage. If/when faced with the choice, I will give up Internet without blinking, rather than losing 98SE. Simple as that.

 

I don't use Google, I don't watch YouTube, I don't do banking or shopping. Flash is permanently disabled in my browsers, Java is not installed (and the 98SE machine has MS Java runtime uninstalled).

 

Admittedly, I am forced to use another computer with a different OS for my current Internet connection, because the chinese manufactures obviously wouldn't produce 9x drivers for the GPRS modem I have, which is my only means of connection. But I've lived without Internet and I will continue to survive without it when time comes.

 

As for software, I either go search for open-source projects that I can use as-is or modify freely, or just build it myself according to my own desire and specs.



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The Internet is not the primary (or only, as it seems looking around) goal for a computer usage. If/when faced with the choice, I will give up Internet without blinking, rather than losing 98SE. Simple as that.

 

Yes, but Internet today as transformed into the primary operation for computers today.The Internet revolves around the lives of most people today, so making sure my browser can handle it is a top priority. When the day comes to when the most modern browser cant handle the web, then this will do quite well http://www.msfn.org/...s/#entry1074566 .


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