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All my life I wondered what that big "thing" in the sky actually was ... never would have guessed it was a planet.

 

Royals TV Announcer is Convinced That the Moon is Actually a Planet

 

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1792050

 

Wednesday, May 14, 2014

 

Rex Hudler, a former first-round pick of the Yankees, called the moon 'a beautiful planet,' during Tuesday night's Royals game. After being informed that the moon was, in fact, a moon, he said, 'That looks like a planet to me.'

 

 Royals TV announcer Rex Hudler got caught gazing at the moon Tuesday night, and came off sounding like a space cadet.

 

When Fox’s cameras showed a full moon over Kauffman Stadium in the bottom of the fourth inning, play-by-play man Steve Physioc quipped that it’s a sports broadcasting rule to incorporate “at least one shot” of the moon into the telecast.

 

Hudler agreed, saying, “I like that rule. It’s a beautiful planet.”

 

After almost six seconds of silence, Physioc responded, “Well, it’s a moon.”

 

Still, Hudler, a former first-round pick of the Yankees who played 13 seasons in The Show,  was not convinced.

 

“That looks like a planet to me,” he said.

Either an eye exam, or a refresher on our solar system — Pluto is no longer a planet! — is in order for Hudler.

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Edited by monroe, 14 May 2014 - 06:09 PM.



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The current thinking is that the Moon is actually the remnants of a planet that collided with Earth.

The Moon does not have a core, that is in The Earth merging with Earth's core.

The Moon just being the rocky left overs of the collision

 

Well, that's the theory

 

HOWEVER Saturn may have another moon forming in it's ring system



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The current thinking is that the Moon is actually the remnants of a planet that collided with Earth.

The Moon does not have a core, that is in The Earth merging with Earth's core.

The Moon just being the rocky left overs of the collision

 

Well, that's the theory

 

HOWEVER Saturn may have another moon forming in it's ring system

 

Interesting about Saturn. Its rings are made of little rocks called Moonlets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlet


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Just to clarify, Saturn's rings consist almost entirely of ice. A moonlet, however, is just another term for a small natural satellite. Some moonlets (the "rocks" you mentioned) do exist within the orbit of Saturn's rings, but the particles that make up the actual rings themselves, are ice.

Here is a moonlet:
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/S/2009_S_1

Rings:
http://en.wikipedia....Rings_of_Saturn

The Earth and Moon are sometimes considered a double, or binary planet system. This is because the mass of the moon is about 1/81 that of Earth, while the other moons in the solar system are less than 1/4000 the mass of their host planet.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Double_planet

http://en.wikipedia....enter#Astronomy

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 14 May 2014 - 09:17 PM.


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Just to clarify, Saturn's rings consist almost entirely of ice. A moonlet, however, is just another term for a small natural satellite. Some moonlets (the "rocks" you mentioned) do exist within the orbit of Saturn's rings, but the particles that make up the actual rings themselves, are ice.

Here is a moonlet:
http://en.wikipedia....wiki/S/2009_S_1

Rings:
http://en.wikipedia....Rings_of_Saturn

The Earth and Moon are sometimes considered a double, or binary planet system. This is because the mass of the moon is about 1/81 that of Earth, while the other moons in the solar system are less than 1/4000 the mass of their host planet.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Double_planet

 

Interesting indeed, and yet another lesson about astronomy learned from Lostinspace :thumbup (curious is astronomy your hobby, or profession) .

 

Anyway though then that makes Hudler's statement partially true, since even though it is a moon, and not a planet. If, the moon were by its self, and not orbiting earth, but instead the sun. Then that would make the moon its own planet :w00t:


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Interesting indeed, and yet another lesson about astronomy learned from Lostinspace :thumbup (curious is astronomy your hobby, or profession)

Astronomy is my reading hobby :-) I collect books on the subject.

Anyway though then that makes Hudler's statement partially true, since even though it is a moon, and not a planet. If, the moon were by its self, and not orbiting earth, but instead the sun. Then that would make the moon its own planet :w00t:

Yes. You have also defined what makes a planet a planet, and NOT, say, a moon, asteroid or other object .

A planet is a body that orbits the Sun, is massive enough for its own gravity to make it round, and has "cleared its neighbourhood" of smaller objects around its orbit.

http://en.wikipedia....#IAU_definition

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 14 May 2014 - 09:06 PM.


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Interesting indeed, and yet another lesson about astronomy learned from Lostinspace :thumbup (curious is astronomy your hobby, or profession)

Astronomy is my reading hobby :-) I collect books on the subject.

Anyway though then that makes Hudler's statement partially true, since even though it is a moon, and not a planet. If, the moon were by its self, and not orbiting earth, but instead the sun. Then that would make the moon its own planet :w00t:

Yes. You have also defined what makes a planet a planet, and NOT, say, a moon, asteroid or other object .

A planet is a body that orbits the Sun, is massive enough for its own gravity to make it round, and has "cleared its neighbourhood" of smaller objects around its orbit.

http://en.wikipedia....#IAU_definition

 

 

Would you happen to also know (can you tell me) what is the exact difference between a Planet and a Dwaf planet. The only difference I can think of besides the size difference is the orbit path. Planet circular dwarf elliptical (oval). Am I correct on that. (there probably a lot more differences,)


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Well, all orbits are elliptical rather than a perfect circle. Kepler's 1st law of planetary motion states:

The orbit of a planet is an ellipse with the Sun at one of the two foci
http://en.wikipedia....lanetary_motion

A dwarf planet is defined as:

a celestial body in direct orbit of the Sun (1) that is massive enough for its shape to be controlled by gravity, but that unlike a planet has not cleared its orbit of other objects.

Astronomers had to come up with a definition for all the minor planetoids that exist beyond Neptune's orbit. The key thing to remember about dwarf planets is they have, not cleared their orbit of other objects.

What they mean by "massive enough for its shape to be controlled by gravity" is that it is a sphere. When something has enough mass and therefore gravity to start pulling inwards, it forms a sphere. Otherwise, you get something small, irregular and potato shaped like one of Mars's moons. Or else you get something like the asteroids, which because of their lack of mass and gravity, are lumpy and irregular shaped.

Ceres is a good example of a dwarf planet. It's the largest asteroid in the asteroid belt between mars and jupiter. Yet, Ceres hasn't cleared the other asteroids out of it's orbit.

In order for Ceres to become a full-fledged planet, all the other asteroids in Ceres orbit would need to be orbiting Ceres.

Also, it is estimated that there are hundreds to thousands of dwarf planets in the Solar System.

http://en.wikipedia....e_dwarf_planets

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The only difference I can think of besides the size difference is the orbit path. Planet circular dwarf elliptical (oval). Am I correct on that. (there probably a lot more differences,)


Orbit path is elliptical in any case.

If you're referring to the shape of a planet and dwarf planet being circular, then yes, that is one of the requiresments. They both must be a sphere to be either a planet or dwarf planet.

As quoted earlier:

(1) that is massive enough for its shape to be controlled by gravity

^meaning, that gravity has transformed the body into a sphere :-)

Hope that helps.

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... What they mean by "massive enough for its shape to be controlled by gravity" is that it is a sphere ...

... ^meaning, that gravity has transformed the body into a sphere :-) ...

 

I'd better say "meaning that it's in hydrostatic equilibrium".

 

Spoiler

 

https://en.wikipedia...anetary_geology



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^That object has a higher than normal oblateness, but then so do Jupiter and Saturn, both of which bulge at the equator. Earth is an oblate spheroid as well... just not as much as the others.

http://en.wikipedia....a_(dwarf_planet)%2FArchive_3

http://en.wikipedia....elestial_bodies

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 15 May 2014 - 01:43 AM.


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The moon, and the earth is just like the movie, "Twins" with Arnold and Danny. In the grand milkshake machine of life, the moon is everything that was left out of the earths creation.

Maybe the moon is just a worshipper of the Earth, that is forever dependent, like an servant, or slave. The moon in reality, combs the Earths hair, the water. Maybe the moon is the child of the Earth, or the Earths mother. Maybe the moon is the husband and that is the wife. Maybe the moon is the wife, and the Earth "Gia" is the husband? Then again, maybe the Sun is the father, and the moon is the mother, while the Earth is the child. So the moon could just be this intern, that was kept around, to blow wind, "I got nothing out of this, but the opportunity to go around you". When will it be my turn? Then the son is the big-boss.,

Maybe the moon is an example of what the Earth could be, cold hollow, and unable to support a large amount of life? Maybe the moon, is a bad joke.

Speaking of which I wonder, what would happen if Mars was terraformed, and if the same could be possible on the moon? In fact has their been studies of moss, and mold via the moon, to see if they would survivie?

The idea is that with the insertion of moss/alagae, to the land, eventually a chain reaction would occur, and create a proccess, where an atmosphere would slowly form over time. It would be funny if their were people living on the moon right now, and we are being kept in the dark about it. A space launch itself, would be easy to keep a secret even nowadays.

The two things would occur. The moss, etc would die down afterawhile, and nothing would occur. The second reaction would be, the oxygen creates, heat that stimulates melting. However would the water fly off Mars? or would it eventually over time figure itself out, and create atmosphere?

Edited by ROTS, 23 May 2014 - 03:10 PM.


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The moss wouldn't work on the moon, there's no atmosphere or water. It's totally in-organic on the surface of the moon, at least at the equatorial region. At the poles, however, there are organic materials trapped in ice.

Seeds of life can sprout in moon's icy pockets

http://www.newscient...cy-pockets.html

That's not to say that life itself might be forming in frozen reservoirs. The organics created in these simulations would need to become even more complex to be biologically useful, says Michael Callahan at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "You can further react them to make more interesting things," says Callahan, but the organics made in the current simulation are many steps removed from the base molecules of DNA.


^ a long way off from saying Moss can grow on the moon :-)

So, if there is a hidden moon base, it would probably have to be at one of the poles :-)

Edited by LostInSpace2012, 23 May 2014 - 07:39 PM.


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The moss wouldn't work on the moon, there's no atmosphere or water. It's totally in-organic on the surface of the moon, at least at the equatorial region. At the poles, however, there are organic materials trapped in ice.

Seeds of life can sprout in moon's icy pockets

http://www.newscient...cy-pockets.html
 

That's not to say that life itself might be forming in frozen reservoirs. The organics created in these simulations would need to become even more complex to be biologically useful, says Michael Callahan at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland. "You can further react them to make more interesting things," says Callahan, but the organics made in the current simulation are many steps removed from the base molecules of DNA.


^ a long way off from saying Moss can grow on the moon :-)

So, if there is a hidden moon base, it would probably have to be at one of the poles :-)

 

 

Mars seems to be a good candidate though. http://meteorite.unm...ringingLife.pdf

 

Maybe even Venus too http://www.telegraph...scientists.html  http://en.wikipedia....orming_of_Venus


Edited by Flasche, 24 May 2014 - 10:42 AM.

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