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Hi all, I really wasn't sure where to put this thread, as it relates to Windows XP, Windows 98SE, and Windows 7/8!

As XP is "piggy in the middle" here though this is where I'm starting it, mods please feel free to move it if you need to.

 

I'm after advice on an upgrade to my system.

This has been prompted by the fact that a piece of software I use all the time has just (without any warning) gone 64 bit only.

 

My motherboard (a Supermicro X5DAE) is now over ten years old (2003) but it was very expensive so I have stuck with it.

It's a dual processor Xeon server board, and has served me very well for many years now dual booting Windows 98SE and Windows XP.

 

I'm now looking at a 64bit upgrade, and I'm wondering if what I am considering is at all possible (or sane!)

 

Supermicro sell a 64bit equivalent of the board I have, and as I've been very pleased with my current board I'm thinking that would be the obvious route to take.

 

What I want to do, in an ideal scenario, is to have a triple boot machine, with the Windows 98 and Windows XP that I've got, with the addition of a 64bit installation of Windows 7 or 8.1.

 

I of course realise that driver availability will be a severe and very probably insurmountable problem with this setup.

I'll probably be lucky to find any XP drivers for the new motherboard, and there certainly won't be any 98SE ones!

It is an Intel based motherboard though, and I was wondering how successful I might be with generic drivers, even if there is some loss of functionality. Drivers for the graphics card will be a big problem of course, as will interfacing the rest of my hardware, which includes four devices which use IDE interfaces.

 

Fundamentally, will my 32bit Windows XP work on a 64bit motherboard anyway? My researches seem to indicate that it will, as there is backwards compatibility, but what about Windows 98SE? Will that run (driver problems apart) on a 64bit processor and motherboard anyway? I know I can run it in a virtual machine, but I'd rather run it natively if it's at all possible.

 

So, am I speaking of the impossible here?

Of course being a computer hobbyist I really just want to do this to prove that I can, not for any practical reason!

If I was being completely realistic I'd just upgrade to 64bit Windows 8.1 only and be done with it, but where would be the fun in that!

:lol:

Any thoughts gratefully received.

Cheers, Dave.

:)


Edited by Dave-H, 05 July 2014 - 12:58 PM.

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Really sorry for the multiple posts guys!

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I was just getting SQL server errors whenever I tried to post the new topic, and tried multiple times without realising that they'd actually worked!

Please remove the duplicates.

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EDIT: Thanks!

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Edited by Dave-H, 05 July 2014 - 12:56 PM.

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Hi, Dave!

Yes, one can run 32-bit XP on a 64x processor/motherboard OK, in principle. The only problem (which is not necessarily a small problem) is to have all needed drivers to enjoy fully the hardware one has on hand.
What I've done is to keep my main machine as a XP SP3 / 98SE dual boot (it also boots DOS and Porteus Linux), and I built a second machine (i7 3770k on Asus P8Z68-V LX) which has two different bootable XP SP3 partitions and a bootable Win 7 Ultimate 64x (it also boots DOS and Porteus x64 Linux), so I;m able to cover all my needs. My intention was to put both using the same mouse, keyboard and monitor, using a KVM switch, but I've not come 'round to setting this up yet. A Z68 board will give one the best possible intel-based experience. The 7 series chipsets include USB 3.0 but lack USB 3.0 drivers for XP... hence one has to rely on ASMedia or Renesas (VIA USB 3.0 has problems with 6+ series intel chipsets) anyway, so that a Z68 makes more sense.  Another option, instead of using and IvyBridge processor is to use an i7 990X and a X58/ICH10 based motherboard... but I do think the i7 3770k and Z68 board combination will end up being less expensive but eqially satisfactory. The Asus P8Z68-V LX has the advantage of still having a VGA connector and the onboard ASMedia USB 3.0 controller, which does have drivers for XP. Just my 2¢, from my personal experience.

If you want to read more about the headaches newer generation intel processors/chipsets give with XP, please do read this link, this link, this link and this other link.



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Thanks Den, and sorry for the delay in replying.

I must say when I looked at those links my heart did sink a bit!

I really don't want to end up having two separate systems, so it looks as if I will have to make compromises, as I thought I would.

 

That Asus motherboard looks very interesting (and is remarkably cheap!) and I do have other Asus hardware (netbooks and monitors) that I've been very pleased with, so it certainly deserves some consideration.

I like the fact that it has on-board sound and graphics, which means more room for expansion cards. It doesn't seem to have any IDE interfaces (although I was pleased to see that it still has PS/2!) but I guess that can be added via an expansion card to drive my IDE hardware until I update it all to SATA.

 

One question I still haven't been able to find a definitive answer for is whether Windows 98SE can run at all on a 64bit system. I know of course that there was never a 64bit version of 98, but is the backwards compatibility good enough to let it run at all on 64bit hardware, ignoring the driver problems for a moment?!

Cheers, Dave.

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One question I still haven't been able to find a definitive answer for is whether Windows 98SE can run at all on a 64bit system. I know of course that there was never a 64bit version of 98, but is the backwards compatibility good enough to let it run at all on 64bit hardware, ignoring the driver problems for a moment?!

 

Yes, it sure can run. RLoew does it, so he's probably the best person to ask about it (just look at the specs of his machines with most memory, at the top of the > 1 GiB list). But one would be so limited by lack of drivers that I don't really see why do it (of course it can also be done very confortably inside a virtual machine, buy, then... what for?).



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Thanks Den, good to know that Windows 98SE can run on 64bit hardware.

Driver availability is another issue though of course!

 

I've actually found a possible Supermicro motherboard that looks attractive, a X7DVL-E.

It's not too different from the one I've already got, and has an impressive amount of expansion slots.

It's from 2009, and therefore still has a floppy connector and serial ports (and a header for a parallel port)!

It doesn't have on-board sound, which my board does, but it does have on-board graphics, which mine doesn't.

It also has one IDE connector, which I can work around.

The details are here.

 

It uses an Intel 5000V chipset, which I don't know very much about, but it supports Windows XP of course.

Obviously Windows 98 would be a problem, both with the chipset and the graphics, in fact even finding Windows 7/8 drivers for the ES1000 graphics looks a bit dodgy! I could of course just replace the on-board graphics with an add-in card, which I will have to use for sound anyway.

 

My main worry is that the motherboard won't actually support Windows 7 or 8.

It's not actually listed as supporting Vista in Supermicro's OS compatibility chart.

The only motherboard in that series that says it's compatible with Vista is the X7DVL-L, which is far too limited on expansion slots to be any use to me.

 

The X7DVL-E motherboard is still available here in England for a reasonable price.

Any thoughts?

Cheers, Dave.

:)


Edited by Dave-H, 08 July 2014 - 06:40 AM.

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Any thoughts on this Den, or anyone else?

Any opinions for or against what I'm considering would be very welcome.

:)


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Chipping in. Dave, you didn't notice this at the bottom of the chart?

** Minimum OS tested with basic system configuration
It implies that anything -above- Win2kSP4 is workable. :unsure:

http://www.supermicr...00V/X7DVL-E.cfm

It looks like they ARE supported! Select Windows and VOILA! Even Windows 8 is listed.

http://www.supermicr...rce_drivers.cfm

 

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Thanks, yes reading it that way it does sound more hopeful!

Looking at the drivers offered for that board however, the only drivers offered for Windows 8/8.1 are for the LAN, there are no others listed.

There are chipset drivers for Windows 7 however, and I would think it's likely that they would also work with Windows 8.

If I'm going to go for this, I would rather go for Windows 8.1 than Windows 7.

I think I will just e-mail Supermicro support and ask them if Windows 8.1 will work with that motherboard.

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Were I you, whom evidently I'm not, I'd, wit all due respect, Dave, go straight for 7 Ultimate x64, fully avoiding 8.1.1.1.1....

And make it double boot with x86 XP SP3 and a good emergency linux 3rd boot, like Porteus x64. Just my 2¢, of course!

But we're long time friends, and I'd unfair to withhold my opinion when you opened a thread precisely asking for opinions.

I always thought Vista SP0 was MS worst mistake ever... But, then, two SPs put it on the right track...

... while nothing seems able to make 8 right. :puke:



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Thanks Den, of course I value your opinion immensely!

:wub:

The reason I was going to go with 8.1 was simply because I already have a 64bit Windows 8 installation disk, which was sent to me when I upgraded my netbook from Windows 7 Starter to Windows 8.

They sent a 32bit disk and a 64bit disk, and I only used the 32bit version on the netbook of course.

It was a cheap upgrade offered when Windows 8 launched which I wasn't really eligible for as I only had Windows 7 Starter, but I tried it and it worked!

I later did the free upgrade to Windows 8.1, which I would hope to be able to do again.

 

From experience with my netbook, once you've put Classic Shell on it, Windows 8.1 seems fine.

Classic Shell is one of those programs that is so brilliant you can't believe that it's actually free!

I now have a start menu on Windows 8.1 that looks and acts exactly the same as the start menu of Windows 98 and XP, which actually makes Windows 8.1 usable IMO. Classic Shell even allowed you to boot straight to the desktop before MS officially added the facility in 8.1.

 

Interesting that you suggest Linux as a third OS, I will certainly consider that if it proves impossible to get Windows 98SE to work on the new system.

I have e-mailed Supermicro to see if they think that Windows 8.1 will be OK on that motherboard, I'll let you know what they come back with.

Cheers, Dave.

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Edited by Dave-H, 13 July 2014 - 06:06 AM.

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The reason I was going to go with 8.1 was simply because I already have a 64bit Windows 8 installation disk, which was sent to me when I upgraded my netbook from Windows 7 Starter to Windows 8.

They sent a 32bit disk and a 64bit disk, and I only used the 32bit version on the netbook of course.

It was a cheap upgrade offered when Windows 8 launched which I wasn't really eligible for as I only had Windows 7 Starter, but I tried it and it worked!

I later did the free upgrade to Windows 8.1, which I would hope to be able to do again.

 

And they gave you also two licenses, at least one of which transferrable to other hardware? :unsure:

A good deal :yes:, I would say.

 

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LOL, well of course that could well indeed be an issue, but if I can't now install and activate the 64bit version I can presumably deactivate and uninstall the 32bit version from my netbook if necessary.

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I don't think so... An upgrade to an OEM license should be itself OEM, and, as such, not transferable.

And, nowadays, it's probably possible to acquire an FPP 7 Ultimate with both x86 and x64 discs inside (to be used in a either/or basis, of course) for a very good price, since it's not anymore the latest Windows.



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Kind of on-topic. Just because a driver isn't listed doesn't (necessarily) mean you need to get it. Usually (loosely speaking) the ones that -aren't- listed are pre-supplied with the OS in question.

 

HTH

 

Oh, and I agree with Den on the Win7. Not sure about that Win8 x86/x64 deal. If you have -one- Prudoct key given, then it probably means you can install either/or -once-. :unsure: AFAIK, a single Key is the "license" in any/either case.

 

Oh, and see this (found while looking for a Win7 "deal" for you).

http://www.msfn.org/...f-support-hype/

Seems they -may- be right about availability. OEM System Builder is available for around $100, but the FPP are disappearing fast. :( Noticed that last time I was at Best Buy a while back (Win 8 galore, no Win7).


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I guess the only way to find out if I can deactivate and uninstall Windows 8.1 from my netbook and then use the same disks to do a new install and activation on another machine is to actually try it! I still think I'll go with Windows 8 as long as Supermicro come back and tell me it will be OK. Otherwise I'll look on eBay for some Windows 7 FPP disks. That's how I got my Windows 2000 to Windows XP upgrade!

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Well I got a reply from Supermicro.

Not unexpectedly they just said that the X7DVL-E hasn't been in production for many years and (of course) was never tested with Windows 8.

That doesn't mean that it won't work with it of course. My present board, an X5DAE, was never tested with Windows 98, but works fine with it!

I have asked them if they have any other recommended hardware for what I want to do.

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It goes without saying that, even in situations where including a 9x boot into the multiboot setup is not feasible, it's generally possible to include an MS-DOS 7.10 boot (to bare metal) in almost any multiboot setup (which uses to be my 4th boot option), and I do, of course, recommend it! :D

Changing subjects, since you're set on assembling a new machine, consider buying, say, a couple of 512-byte sectored SATA HDDs, while they're still available:
 

About 4 months ago I bought a pair of WD2002FAEX and then, 3 months ago, one further WD1502FAEX, all of them 512-bytes sectored WD Blacks. And eBay has just given me 70 hits for WD2002FAEX... Look for WDnnnnFAEX for the latest non-AF WD Blacks.

Previous Spec-Sheets for the same HDDs WD Caviar Black (512 or AF) 2011-13.7z

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Hi again guys.

:hello:

 

Just wanted to update you on where I am now with this.

I have now obtained a used Supermicro X7DAL-E motherboard, which I was very lucky to get from a guy in Germany for £65 including shipping, and it came with two 2.33 GHz dual core Xeon processors with heat sinks, and 4 GB of memory. As that's the equivalent of around $108, I think I got a bargain there!

Although originally designed for XP/Server 2003 of course the seller said it had been running Windows 7 fine, which was good to hear.

 

I was puzzled to find that the physical layout of my board was quite different in places to the diagram in the printed manual which came with it. On further investigation, I found that the board I have is actually a later revision which was updated to add support for quad core processors (the manual that came with it says dual core only). The information and later manual on the Supermicro site confirm this, so I decided to see if I could find the best processors that the board was capable of supporting. Again I was very lucky to find someone selling used on eBay the quad core 3.16 GHz Xeons that are the maximum I can use. They cost me £40 (around $67) each. Another bargain because I found some companies still selling them new for over $1000 each!  :o

I was hoping to have them by now, but I should now get them on Monday.

 

What I'm now intending to do is to fit the quad core processors to the board, with the 4 GB of RAM that came with it, and just swap the "new" motherboard with my present one. I'm hoping (praying!) that Windows XP will just work, although it will have to sort out the drivers of course (I've got the latest ones from Supermicro burnt onto a bootable CD.)

I have also had to buy a new graphics card of course, as my old board was AGP, and I've got a cheap ASUS 1 GB AMD Radeon based card.

 

When (if) Windows XP is up and running again, then I'll really pray hard and try to boot into Windows 98.

I suspect it may well not start up at all, and at very least it will have severe problems with the graphics. I remember how hard it was to get it to work with a 512 MB graphics card, I would imagine it will choke badly with a 1 GB one!

 

I'll keep you all posted!

Cheers, Dave.

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Edited by Dave-H, 02 August 2014 - 09:01 AM.

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CAUTION is advised! Lots of it! It's almost a sure bet XP won't "just work"!
Make a full image of your XP boot drive (preferably a dumb byte-by-byte image of the whole drive). Verify that it's good and save it. Make another image, just like the first one. Restore it to a same-size same-geometry (preferably same-brand and same-model) HDD, swap it with yours in your current board an see that it works OK. When you've mastered producing working clones of your current XP (without destroying the original), then you'll be in grade to experiment safely with your new board. Transplanting XP from one board to another is tricky when the're reasonably similar (as may be your case, althought it's sometimes difficult to define "reasonably similar"), and is utterly impossible when they are too different (but only trial-and-error can tell whether a board is "reasonably similar" or not).
 
Replace Motherboard on a Windows XP System
 
Move Windows XP Hard Drive or Change Motherboard Without Getting a Blue Screen STOP 7B Error - Raymond.CC
 
KB314082 - You receive a Stop 0x0000007B error after you move the Windows XP system disk to another computer

How to change your motherboard and avoid reinstalling Windows XP (Intel to AMD)
(I think most of this latter article does not apply to your case, however...)



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Thanks Den, wise words as always!

Thank you so much for those links too.

:yes:

One thing I hadn't mentioned about my existing system is that the system drives are not IDE connected, they are SCSI drives that work through an Adaptec PCI-X SCSI card.

Whether this will make things easier or harder remains to be seen, but the problems mentioned with wrong IDE drivers preventing access to the boot drive hopefully won't occur as long as the SCSI board is recognised OK by the BIOS. It's using the Microsoft provided Adaptec driver in XP which should still be fine.

 

Someone has reported on one of the links that they did get the system to boot OK without having to repair the installation, which was good to hear. At least I'm using a motherboard of the same brand with the same type of processors, so that's a plus point too.

 

I'm prepared to have to re-activate XP if it's unhappy about apparently being on a different computer. I have the disk it was installed from, which is a full install disk, not an OEM or upgrade disk, so I'm not expecting any problems with that.

 

As an aside, I did something similar to this with my netbook in fact, which is dual boot XP and 8.1.

I found a better specified unit with Windows 7 Starter :puke: on it, and I just swapped the hard drives over.

I had to jump through all sorts of hoops to get Windows 8.1 activated again, involving putting in huge strings of numbers from an automated telephone system, but Windows XP just booted and carried on as if nothing had happened!

The two systems were quite similar though with almost the same Intel chipset and processor. The spec of the new unit was slightly better, but the main difference was that the memory could be upgraded to 4 GB, which was physically impossible in the original unit.

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I haven't checked the links dencorso posted (which will surely be good ones :)) but  additionally to them, do READ this one:

http://www.michaelst.../moving_xp.html

(the "Repair install" has always worked for me)

 

You could also try a "Sysprep" approach, but on a higly customized install it is likely to create an issue.

 

In any case, and whichever approach you choose make sure to have a way to go back (a dd-like image of the disk where the OS is installed would be my personally preferred solution).

 

The Adaptec SCSI card may actually represent an advantage, as it is a "whole" external block that is moved from the old PC to the new one, and this may even help in not triggering the WPA :unsure::

http://aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm

 

 

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Thanks jaclaz!

Looking at that link, of course the dreaded HAL comes up, which is something else that's been worrying me.

I've had systems where it's failed to boot with the "can't find HAL" error, and had to repair them, and this could well happen again of course.

Interesting that the procedure on the link seems to involve starting off the install process, and then aborting it before changing the motherboard, and then letting it continue with the new board.

I don't really want to do that if there's any chance that it won't be necessary.

If I do have to do a repair install, I just hope that the installer is clever enough not to over-write all the SP3 system files (and their updated versions) with SP2 files, as the full installation disk I have is only SP2. I do have an SP3 installation disk but it's a clean install only OEM disk, so I don't want to use that.

 

Incidentally Den recommended making a clone of my system drive onto an identical drive, but as my system drive is a SCSI drive that's not an option as I wouldn't be able to source an identical drive. I will of course back up all my system and data files onto other removable hard drives before I attempt anything!

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Well, the HAL issue is not a real issue, you can also use the "normal" /HAL option in BOOT.INI to change it:

http://support.micro...kb/833721/en-us

http://www.vernalex....sprep/hal.shtml

 

Of course you will need a PE of some kind or however something capable of editing the BOOT.INI or change in advance the BOOT.INI to include all options.

 

The method linked to before - as said - works fine in my experience, but there are other methods, that one amounts more or less to the "official" MS one in the case of a working "old" or "from" motherboard, but you can also "fake" that the "old" motherboard is dead :w00t: :ph34r: and use the second method ;):

http://support.micro...kb;en-us;824125

 

Among the alternatives, there is OfflineSysprep:

http://www.911cd.net...hp?showforum=43

http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=22064

 

Though there could be an issue with HAL's coming from updates/hotfixes:

http://www.911cd.net...showtopic=23350

 

A clone (or image) has nothing to do with the BUS the mass storage device uses, it is simply a sector-by-sector copy of the device of course you can clone a SCSI disk to a (same size or larger) PATA/IDE or SATA disk, though nowadays it is usually more convenient to make an image instead.

 

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Edited by jaclaz, 03 August 2014 - 01:59 PM.


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Yeah, you could Slipstream SP3 onto the SP2 and burn. And yes, all post-SP3 Updates will be gone. You -may- have to reinstall a number of things, but not -usually- 3'd party. I "experienced" that with Repair Install of this beast when I changed 1-Core to 2-Core. Belatedly, I found other "methods" (see, e.g. HAL refs above).  :( JFYI


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