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You used to have an nVidia GeForce 7950GT AGP on the X5DAE. You didn't tell us much about your new graphics card, apart from "it is a completely different graphics card now" (and it ought to be so, since the X7DAL-E cannot accept an AGP card for lack of a proper connector for it)... what's it? Is it another nVidia card? And what drivers are you using right now? After we know that, we may decide about upgrading graphics drivers or not.




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The new card is another ATI/AMD Radeon based card, an Asus EAH5450, based on Radeon HD5450.

I'm using the driver that came with it, the 2D driver version 6.14.10.7279.

The Catalyst version doesn't seem to be actually quoted anywhere any more.

 

I've now been noticing what may well be other symptoms of the same problem.

When I open a video in the QuickTime player, the player always loads onto the screen OK, but if I try to play the video file or move the window, it immediately shuts down! Trying again always seems to then work OK.

Also my e-mail program (Eudora 7) which has never had any problems in the past is occasionally now crashing when I try to open a message, with "Eudora.exe caused fault #c0000005 in gdiplus.dll".

Something is definitely not happy!

 

I should add that my graphics settings, resolution, colour depth, and refresh rate, are all exactly the same as they were before the upgrade.

:)

 

EDIT:

Well, touching wood, I think it may now be OK!

:thumbup

I uninstalled the graphics driver, and this time did a rather more thorough system cleaning job than I did the first time, and installed the latest version from AMD. I was surprised to find that the latest version offered by Asus on their site was older than the version on the CD that came with the board! The latest version on the AMD site is actually the same driver version as on the CD, but the Catalyst Control Center and HDMI Audio driver is newer. It's now identified as Catalyst 14.4.

The Adobe programs now load OK, and I'm keeping an eye out for any other problems, but hopefully it's now sorted.

:)


Edited by Dave-H, 17 August 2014 - 11:57 AM.

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Hi again, sorry it's been a while.

I've been trying to find why one of my hard drives, which is in an external enclosure, wasn't making a good data connection with the motherboard.

To cut a long story short, it looks as if there's a hardware problem in the enclosure, so nothing to do with the board thank goodness!

 

I tried running the system with the cover on for the first time, and was horrified to find that almost immediately the fans running at double their usual speed.

It sounded like it was going to take off. It was quite frightening and sounded like there was going to be physical damage if I didn't switch it off quick!

I've ordered a couple of new fans, which are four pin ones that should talk to the motherboard properly. The processor heatsinks already have that, but the two old fans were only three pin.

 

I hope they do the trick to keep it cool enough. I'm still getting overheats sometimes but only ever on the PCEI Agent 1 monitor.

PECI Agent 2 is always showing low, which is rather strange. PECI 1 is low unless I ask the system to do any real work, at which point it goes to medium, and occasionally to high which triggers the alarm. I found also that when the system's working hard the RAM chips become incredibly hot, you can't touch them, is that normal?!

 

I don't really understand the low/medium/high PECI system, I will need to do more research on it.

I much preferred the system on the old board that just told you exactly what actual temperature the processors were running at!

:)


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Dave? Are you there? Do please give us an update... are things OK, now?

 

I'm aware you've already bought new fans, but, just for the record (or in case you still need this info): for the case I do recommend Gelid or Noctua fans, but or processor-heatsink/fan assemblies, I prefer Zalman, although their products are rather bulky, so perhaps Gelid or Noctua solutions might be a better choice in your specific case, too. They cost more, but they are worth every cent they cost, IMO.



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Sorry it's been such a long time since I last posted, but I waited over a week for the fans I ordered online to arrive, and when I rang the company to ask where there were, they told me they couldn't get them from their supplier until they had a minimum number to order, which could take several more weeks! I was not amused, as they were supposed to be in stock, so I cancelled the order and went elsewhere! I only got the fans yesterday, and they are Noctua PWM ones which seem very good.

 

Unfortunately there are still problems, with the PECI Agent 1 constantly showing overheating in the first processor if it's asked to do any real work, even though Agent 2 almost never says anything other than "low". The only time I got it to say anything else was when I disabled the Processor 2 heatsink fan as a test, and then it did change, which at least proved it was working!

 

So, I can't understand why the first processor would be apparently heating up much more than the second one. I have swapped the processors themselves, and the heatsinks, but the problem is always on processor 1.

I think the high readings are wrong, because things don't appear to be that hot at all, and I'm just hoping that it's not a faulty sensor on the motherboard, as I think that will be difficult if not impossible to fix.

 

I am away from home at the moment, back on Tuesday, so I will report more then.

Cheers, Dave.

:)  


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Do try SpeedFan on your board... it might very well be able to read actual temperatures on it.

I'm aware it probably won't solve any issues (although, maybe it even can, since it can be used to control the fans...) but, in any case, if it succeeds in giving you sensible temperature readings, that sure would be some progress, right?  



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Hi again, I'm sure I posted a reply this morning, and just came to edit it and it seems to have disappeared, no idea why!

 

Anyway, as I thought I had already said, I installed SpeedFan which seems to work very well, but gives a huge amount of rather complicated information from loads of apparent sensors, some of which appear to be duplicated. It is showing high temperatures on "Diode 1" which are always about 10 degrees above and sometimes 20 degrees above the other readings.

 

SpeedFan doesn't seem to work on Windows 98 either, although the documentation says it should do. It installs OK and scans for the system information OK, but then puts up an exception error message instead of showing the readings.

 

I also found a utility called Core Temp, which seems to give just the information I want, and that looks relatively happy!

 

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The system's quietened down again now, as long as Windows XP is running, however when I reboot the system fans are taking off again, and the BIOS hardware monitor is showing PECI Agent 1 as high but PECI Agent 2 as low, which is what I can't understand.

 

I still have a horrible feeling that there is a hardware fault, as why would one processor be apparently running so much hotter than the other? I know it's not the processor itself as swapping them doesn't move the problem, and nor does swapping the heatsinks, whose fans both seem to be working fine and there's surely nothing else that can go wrong with them!

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A third, plain vanilla XP installation, perhaps on an older 40-80 GB IDE HDD (added temporarily just for this) might be the way to go, right now... no need to activate it, since the grace period should be more than enough for what I have in mind... If the higher temps on Proc #0 go away on the plain vanilla XP, then something subtle went wrong on trasplanting your old XP to the new machine, else there really might be hardware, but, at least, we'd be double-sure your current XP installation is really working as it should...  :angel



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Thanks Den, but I don't see how this can be Windows related if the error is showing in the BIOS hardware monitoring before Windows even starts.

If I can get SpeedFan working in Windows 98 I should be able to see if the same thing is happening there. None of the other temperature monitoring utilities I've found will work under 98.

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Whait a sec! :blink:

Are you telling me the system uses more Proc #0 while at BIOS (= unbooted or while before booting), and that, once XP takes over the machine, the load is evenly divided between Procs? Why, I'd expect XP to be more knowledgeable about Proc/Core scheduling than the BIOS (or, I'd expect the BIOS to be more naif about multiple processors/multiple cores/hyperthreading than XP)... 9x/ME, on the other hand, knows only about a single core inside a single processor.



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What is actually happening is that the system is fine when first switched on, and while using Windows XP normally. If anything stresses the processors at all, the fans ramp up in speed, as would be expected. Most of the time they are just idling however.

 

If I reboot after the system has warmed up however, the fans immediately start roaring away at full speed when Windows shuts down, and if I go into the BIOS setup, I can see that one processor is reporting high, and the other one reporting low, as in the picture below.

 

This never changes and I've never managed yet to leave it long enough to cool down to change that, in fact I've left it for so long without change that I think it's a permanent condition until I switch of and let it cool completely.

 

Supermicro's "SuperoDoctor III" monitoring software apparently takes over from the BIOS when it loads under Windows, and its settings are used instead of the BIOS settings.

 

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Just ordered a couple of these.

I hope they will get a bit more air blowing through the processors.

They are compatible with LGA771 sockets it appears from my researches, I'm just hoping they will physically fit in the case!

The heatsinks that came with the motherboard were designed for the dual core processors that came with it, and I guess I was expecting a bit much of them to cool faster quad cores adequately.

I should get the new heatsinks before the end of the week, so we'll see how it goes.

They weren't cheap, in fact they have almost doubled what I've spent on the system so far, so they had better work!

:D

If CPU 1 is still overheating with them fitted, I will seriously suspect that its temperature monitoring system is in fact faulty.

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Dave? Are you there? Do please give us an update... are things OK, now?

 

Ditto! How did the Noctuas perform?



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Sorry for the lack of feedback, but I'm still waiting for the new processor coolers!

They were supposedly despatched last Tuesday, with a supposed delivery date of last Thursday or Friday, but they still haven't arrived.

Hopefully they will come tomorrow (Monday), and if they physically fit OK I will know whether they have fixed the overheat problem.

 

I'm also now getting errors reported in the BIOS for one of the memory DIMMs.

It kept reporting "single-bit ECC error in DIMM #3".

I swapped the DIMM in position #3 with the one in position #4, and was pleased to find that it's now #4 reporting the error, which at least proved that it was the module itself causing the problem rather than a problem on the motherboard!

As the DIMMs are also getting worryingly hot, I've now also ordered a couple of 4GB DIMMs (quite cheap used ones) which I'm now going to fit, which will increase the memory to 8GB from 4GB, but with only two modules instead of four, which might help the heat problem, assuming of course that 4GB DIMMs don't get four times as hot as 1GB DIMMs!

:D

I just hope that Windows 98 will cope with 8GB as it coped with 4GB!


Edited by Dave-H, Yesterday, 04:00 PM.

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I just hope that Windows 98 will cope with 8GB as it coped with 4GB!

 

That, at least, you can rest assured it will. Yet, you'll continue to access the same amount of RAM you've been used to, both from 98, and from XP, because they're 32-bit systems (the rest, however, can be accessed by using a RAMDrive: the Gavotte, with UsePAE=1, is a great solution for XP and RLoew's non-XMS Ramdrive, the only real solution for 98).






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